Over / Under Paid

[TorturedBlazerFan]

8 Al-Farouq Aminu PF 27 6-9 220 Wake Forest $7,319,035 - About Right
2 Wade Baldwin IV PG 22 6-4 202 Vanderbilt $229,892 - probably Underpaid
33 Zach Collins C 20 7-0 230 Gonzaga $3,057,240 - About Right
5 Pat Connaughton SG 25 6-5 210 Notre Dame $1,471,382 - About Right
17 Ed Davis PF 28 6-10 245 North Carolina $6,352,531 - Under
4 Maurice Harkless SF 25 6-9 220 St. John's $10,162,922 - About Right
10 Jake Layman SF 24 6-9 210 Maryland $1,312,611 - About Right
11 Meyers Leonard C 26 7-1 255 Illinois $9,904,495 - Overpaid
0 Damian Lillard PG 27 6-3 195 Weber State $26,153,057 - Under
3 CJ McCollum SG 26 6-3 190 Lehigh $23,962,573 - About right ( but maybe a bit over)
6 Shabazz Napier PG 26 6-1 175 Connecticut $2,361,360 - about right
27 Jusuf Nurkic C 23 7-0 280 $2,947,305 - under
19 Georgios Papagiannis C 20 7-1 240 $185,397 - no idea...
50 Caleb Swanigan PF 21 6-8 250 Purdue $1,465,920 - about right
1 Evan Turner SF 29 6-7 220 Ohio State $17,131,148 - over

Here's the list per ESPN of the Blazers and their current Salaries. With my personal opinion on if the player is over or underpaid.
8 - About Right, 4 - Under, 2 Over paid, 1 guy who I have no idea what his value is.

I just did this as a mental excersize for myself to see how fair I have been towards NO, actually kind of surprised. Really the two guys that are easy to point too and say why are those guys making so much are ML and ET (but most of us knew that already).
I think CJ Might be slightly overpaid, but no doubt someone would give him that much, so I listed him as about right.

 

[Boob-No-More]

8 Al-Farouq Aminu PF 27 6-9 220 Wake Forest $7,319,035 - About Right
2 Wade Baldwin IV PG 22 6-4 202 Vanderbilt $229,892 - probably Underpaid
33 Zach Collins C 20 7-0 230 Gonzaga $3,057,240 - About Right
5 Pat Connaughton SG 25 6-5 210 Notre Dame $1,471,382 - About Right
17 Ed Davis PF 28 6-10 245 North Carolina $6,352,531 - Under
4 Maurice Harkless SF 25 6-9 220 St. John's $10,162,922 - About Right
10 Jake Layman SF 24 6-9 210 Maryland $1,312,611 - About Right
11 Meyers Leonard C 26 7-1 255 Illinois $9,904,495 - Overpaid
0 Damian Lillard PG 27 6-3 195 Weber State $26,153,057 - Under
3 CJ McCollum SG 26 6-3 190 Lehigh $23,962,573 - About right ( but maybe a bit over)
6 Shabazz Napier PG 26 6-1 175 Connecticut $2,361,360 - about right
27 Jusuf Nurkic C 23 7-0 280 $2,947,305 - under
19 Georgios Papagiannis C 20 7-1 240 $185,397 - no idea...
50 Caleb Swanigan PF 21 6-8 250 Purdue $1,465,920 - about right
1 Evan Turner SF 29 6-7 220 Ohio State $17,131,148 - over

Here's the list per ESPN of the Blazers and their current Salaries. With my personal opinion on if the player is over or underpaid.
8 - About Right, 4 - Under, 2 Over paid, 1 guy who I have no idea what his value is.

I just did this as a mental excersize for myself to see how fair I have been towards NO, actually kind of surprised. Really the two guys that are easy to point too and say why are those guys making so much are ML and ET (but most of us knew that already).
I think CJ Might be slightly overpaid, but no doubt someone would give him that much, so I listed him as about right.

It will be interesting to revisit this list in a month and a half and see how things have changed. Ed is a UFA, Nurk, Shabazz and Pat are all RFAs.

Ed has been an absolute steal. Will someone else make him an offer he can't refuse?

Will someone make Nurk a toxic offer with a ridiculously high first year to try to force Paul to pay a gazillion bucks in luxury tax?

Will someone think Shabazz is a starter in this league and offer him starter's money?

Will anyone notice Pat is a free agent?

Inquiring minds want to know!!!!

BNM

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It will be interesting to revisit this list in a month and a half and see how things have changed. Ed is a UFA, Nurk, Shabazz and Pat are all RFAs.

Ed has been an absolute steal. Will someone else make him an offer he can't refuse?

Will someone make Nurk a toxic offer with a ridiculously high first year to try to force Paul to pay a gazillion bucks in luxury tax?

Will someone think Shabazz is a starter in this league and offer him starter's money?

Will anyone notice Pat is a free agent?

Inquiring minds want to know!!!!

BNM

Definitely Agree with all those questions. If the Lakers strike out again in Free Agency (something they're pretty good at lately), wonder if they look at Nurk as a young talented guy that could afford to give a "toxic" contract too?

 

[tykendo]

Good post. Agree with all assessments. I feel that the Blazers MUST, & will, re-sign Nurk. Ed is where i'm not sure. I think Most, if not all of us in here want the Blazers to re-sign Easy Ed. But if he gets an offer north of 10 mil, , i'm not sure the Blazers will match. Nurk is a young, developing center. Much harder to find that type of player in the draft or FA. Especially with his size, and developing skillset.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Good post. Agree with all assessments. I feel that the Blazers MUST, & will, re-sign Nurk. Ed is where i'm not sure. I think Most, if not all of us in here want the Blazers to re-sign Easy Ed. But if he gets an offer north of 10 mil, , i'm not sure the Blazers will match. Nurk is a young, developing center. Much harder to find that type of player in the draft or FA. Especially with his size, and developing skillset.

Unless someone gives Nurk a crazy offer the Blazers kind of “have to match”, I want Ed back too, I don’t really want Shabazz back. Doing this list was actually kind of interesting, as in my head the Blazers had a lot more “bad” deals than they really do.

 

[Hoopguru]

Good post. Agree with all assessments. I feel that the Blazers MUST, & will, re-sign Nurk. Ed is where i'm not sure. I think Most, if not all of us in here want the Blazers to re-sign Easy Ed. But if he gets an offer north of 10 mil, , i'm not sure the Blazers will match. Nurk is a young, developing center. Much harder to find that type of player in the draft or FA. Especially with his size, and developing skillset.

If Davis wants to find a place to finish out his career, PDX is the spot. He could receive from there Blazers a decent enough contract to keep him, I could see the Blazers offering him longer contract for less money to accommodate his thinking about staying in place here. We need a guy like him as the vet, and one that can speak up and be listened too. He's more valuable than most think as a 4/5 with a top notch rep as a player and person. Plus he's a hell of a player!

 

[tykendo]

If Davis wants to find a place to finish out his career, PDX is the spot. He could receive from there Blazers a decent enough contract to keep him, I could see the Blazers offering him longer contract for less money to accommodate his thinking about staying in place here. We need a guy like him as the vet, and one that can speak up and be listened too. He's more valuable than most think as a 4/5 with a top notch rep as a player and person. Plus he's a hell of a player!

Damn straight! The Blazers may try to do that, and Ed may decide to agree to it. Either way, Ed has become a part of Portland. If he stays, awesome! If he leaves for more money, we will understand, and surely invite him back to stay when his career is finished. He gets it. Portland is a pretty cool city to live in.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Damn straight! The Blazers may try to do that, and Ed may decide to agree to it. Either way, Ed has become a part of Portland. If he stays, awesome! If he leaves for more money, we will understand, and surely invite him back to stay when his career is finished. He gets it. Portland is a pretty cool city to live in.

Ed is like the perfect back up big guy, I wish he had a bit more offense outside right around the rim, but he plays his role so well. He fits well with the guards and can clean up the misses.

 

[tlongII]

Ed’s gone. That was apparent in Olshey’s comments.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Ed’s gone. That was apparent in Olshey’s comments.

I didn’t really get that from what NO said, what made you come to that conclusion?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I didn’t really get that from what NO said, what made you come to that conclusion?

Neil is a fucking idiot?

 

[BonesJones]

Ed’s gone. That was apparent in Olshey’s comments.

No it wasn't.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Neil is a fucking idiot?

Hey may be, he may not be. I heard the interview’s and was there anything that made it sound like Ed was gone?

 

[Mediocre Man]

As with most everything, different people will read what they want into it. Also as in most everything, no one is truly right or wrong.

Too bad there are some here now who shit on the idea of discussion.

 

[riverman]

Chief is way underpaid in my view for what he brings to the defense

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Hey may be, he may not be. I heard the interview’s and was there anything that made it sound like Ed was gone?

I guess he said he wants Collins to play closer to the basket. Since Collins usually plays with Ed, and we know Ed can't play on the perimeter, what would Ed's role be? If Lillard got the same message from Olshey's comments, could this be why he might want to talk to Allen? (I hope no one will object to me speculating...... )

 

[Mediocre Man]

I guess he said he wants Collins to play closer to the basket. Since Collins usually plays with Ed, and we know Ed can't play on the perimeter, what would Ed's role be? If Lillard got the same message from Olshey's comments, could this be why he might want to talk to Allen? (I hope no one will object to me speculating...... )

Someone will.

What also, if there have been talks about letting Nurk walk, and Collins would take his position, and that's why they said closer to the basket?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I guess he said he wants Collins to play closer to the basket. Since Collins usually plays with Ed, and we know Ed can't play on the perimeter, what would Ed's role be? If Lillard got the same message from Olshey's comments, could this be why he might want to talk to Allen? (I hope no one will object to me speculating...... )

No this is exactly the type of answer I was looking for! That's an interesting take away. You may be right, Stotts seemed to play Collins a lot at the 3 point line. I kind of thought he wanted him on the block more like LMA played which I think Ed's role could still be to pick up the misses, but I can see how you one could come to that from the quote.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Chief is way underpaid in my view for what he brings to the defense

I can see that argument. Chief's an interesting player to me, he does a few things well, but something he does really bad, like dribbling for example...

 

[Orion Bailey]

I guess he said he wants Collins to play closer to the basket. Since Collins usually plays with Ed, and we know Ed can't play on the perimeter, what would Ed's role be? If Lillard got the same message from Olshey's comments, could this be why he might want to talk to Allen? (I hope no one will object to me speculating...... )

Quite starting rumors you guys. Only discuss the exact words he said. Even though we KNOW NO sidesteps details and speaks in a roundabout way about the topic, do not try to read into his words. The next thing you know the Blazers edge headline will read, "Dame wants Collins traded, so Davis can stay with the team." by a source close to the team's online forum members". And then forum members around here will go ape shit

LOL

I said as much when I first read that statement too. Where does Ed fit into this. But then can Ed and Aminu be a backup 4-5? Cause Aminu is going to lose his spot to Collins this year.

I don't think Aminu/Davis is big enough unfortunately.

I do see Davis gone when you also add our cap space situation.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Quite starting rumors you guys. Only discuss the exact words he said. Even though we KNOW NO sidesteps details and speaks in a roundabout way about the topic, do not try to read into his words. The next thing you know the Blazers edge headline will read, "Dame wants Collins traded, so Davis can stay with the team." by a source close to the team's online forum members". And then forum members around here will go ape shit

LOL

I said as much when I first read that statement too. Where does Ed fit into this. But then can Ed and Aminu be a backup 4-5? Cause Aminu is going to lose his spot to Collins this year.

I don't think Aminu/Davis is big enough unfortunately.

I do see Davis gone when you also add our cap space situation.

Not that Zach is anywhere close to where LMA was before he left the Blazers, but Robin Lopez was a beast on the offensive boards for the Blazers when LMA player on the lower block. You guys very well might right, I didn't read much into that other than he didn't want Collins out shooting 3's all game. It seemed like Zach was out there shooting 3's a lot, even though he did have decent post moves.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Someone will.

What also, if there have been talks about letting Nurk walk, and Collins would take his position, and that's why they said closer to the basket?

I thought about this too, but, Is Collins big enough to play center? Yeah quick enough, but he got pushed around pretty bad in the paint this year. I think he is two years away form being a starting center because it will take him that long to get 30-40 lbs of solid muscle on him and not lose his mobility.

I dont see Collins as a Center, I see him as a stretch Four. Dirk Style.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not that Zach is anywhere close to where LMA was before he left the Blazers, but Robin Lopez was a beast on the offensive boards for the Blazers when LMA player on the lower block. You guys very well might right, I didn't read much into that other than he didn't want Collins out shooting 3's all game. It seemed like Zach was out there shooting 3's a lot, even though he did have decent post moves.

Stotts's offense tends to pull the bigs out and try to make them long range shooters. Im not a big fan of that. I think you can get shooters to shoot from outside from any position, but you cant get smalls to pound in the paint, so why take away the optimal advantage the bigs have? Keep them down low, except for picknrolls.. but lets get rid of the picknpop with our bigs. Unless its closer to the FTline than the 3pt line.

A bigs biggest advantage will always be downlow, or you shouldn't be considered a true big.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I thought about this too, but, Is Collins big enough to play center? Yeah quick enough, but he got pushed around pretty bad in the paint this year. I think he is two years away form being a starting center because it will take him that long to get 30-40 lbs of solid muscle on him and not lose his mobility.

I dont see Collins as a Center, I see him as a stretch Four. Dirk Style.

It will be interesting to me how Zach's body matures, Two recent examples to me, are KD he is still skinny, like crazy skinny, and AD he filled out, he's pretty buff at this point. How does Zach fill out? If he gets another 20-30 lbs, he may be able to pass as a center vs certain teams.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Stotts's offense tends to pull the bigs out and try to make them long range shooters. Im not a big fan of that. I think you can get shooters to shoot form outside form any position, but you cant get smalls to pound in the paint, so why take away the optimal advantage the bigs have? Keep them down low, except for picknrolls.. but lets get rid of the picknpop with our bigs. Unless its closer to the FTline than the 3pt line.

A bigs biggest advantage will always be downlow, or you shouldn't be considered a true big.

I always thought a bigs "jump shot" is a great tool to have, but I'd rather have them 15 feet and in.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I thought about this too, but, Is Collins big enough to play center? Yeah quick enough, but he got pushed around pretty bad in the paint this year. I think he is two years away form being a starting center because it will take him that long to get 30-40 lbs of solid muscle on him and not lose his mobility.

I dont see Collins as a Center, I see him as a stretch Four. Dirk Style.

He's 10lbs from being 40th or so in the league for weight.

I also think he's a 4

 

[Orion Bailey]

It will be interesting to me how Zach's body matures, Two recent examples to me, are KD he is still skinny, like crazy skinny, and AD he filled out, he's pretty buff at this point. How does Zach fill out? If he gets another 20-30 lbs, he may be able to pass as a center vs certain teams.

I agree, but Id say a minimum of 30#. KD is an interesting comparison . I think Zach might even have a better outside shot that KD when he came into the league, but KD had alot more post move agility. Did KD come in and start playing center? I dont think he did. Zach seems to have the drive like KD, not sure if he has the same confidence level, but sure looks like he could gain that confidence over the next next year. Kd was a mental beast though. I put him up there with the Jordans/Paytons/Kobe/, chris pauls of the world when it comes to killer instinct. Collins hasnt had enough playtime to gain that yet I think because of how little he played in college.
KD came straight from highschool though right?

EDIT. I was talking about Kevin Garnet the whole time. NOt KD...

 

[Orion Bailey]

I always thought a bigs "jump shot" is a great tool to have, but I'd rather have them 15 feet and in.

I agree. Its a must have tool if you want to own the league and get your defender out a bit, but not to the three point line. Bigs can rarely drive from the three to the hoop. lol.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I agree, but Id say a minimum of 30#. KD is an interesting comparison . I think Zach might even have a better outside shot that KD when he came into the league, but KD had alot more post move agility. Did KD come in and start playing center? I dont think he did. Zach seems to have the drive like KD, not sure if he has the same confidence level, but sure looks like he could gain that confidence over the next next year. Kd was a mental beast though. I put him up there with the Jordans/Paytons/Kobe/, chris pauls of the world when it comes to killer instinct. Collins hasnt had enough playtime to gain that yet I think because of how little he played in college.
KD came straight from highschool though right?

So wait......Zach = KD?

 

[Orion Bailey]

He's 10lbs from being 40th or so in the league for weight.

I also think he's a 4

here ya go. Add 10# and he is still the lightest center in the league(assuming the 40 heaviest in the league are centers).

He is and will not be a center until he puts on at least 30#. If we let Nurk walk and let him take the center spot next season, that is a mistake because that will be a 3-5 year project.