Owners in the NBA

[dviss1]

It has to do with spending your $billions on the team.

Few owners interfere with the day to day operations of the team, like Cuban does.

What can I tell you but what the $billionaires actually do?

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I think most owners have lots of input on personnel decisions.

The Buss family doesn't? Dolan doesn't? PA doesn't? Steve Ballmer doesn't? Jordan doesn't? Prokhorov doesn't? Dan Gilbert doesn't? Donald racist Sterling certainly did. Jerry Reinsdorf certainly had a hand in Thibs' firing. All of those plus Cuban are of the top of my head..

You know what the Billionaires actually do? Denny's rubbing elbows with Billionaires? Man I'm running in the wrong circles!

 

[Denny Crane]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I think most owners have lots of input on personnel decisions.

The Buss family doesn't? Dolan doesn't? PA doesn't? Steve Ballmer doesn't? Jordan doesn't? Prokhorov doesn't? Dan Gilbert doesn't? Donald racist Sterling certainly did. Jerry Reinsdorf certainly had a hand in Thibs' firing. All of those plus Cuban are of the top of my head..

You know what the Billionaires actually do? Denny's rubbing elbows with Billionaires? Man I'm running in the wrong circles!

I think the owners get involved with the really big contract guys on occasion. I remember Reinsdorf went to California to sign Tyson Chandler to his first big contract. I don't think he had squat to do with Boozer or Ben Wallace or Gasol or much of anyone else. Reinsdorf rubber-stamped Thibs' firing. He is interviewed or quoted in the newspaper once every few years, unlike Cuban who's the exception.

I know what the news reports the Billionaires do.

 

[Denny Crane]

In fact, I can't find many basketball related stories about Peter Holt, owner of the Spurs. Most recent ones talk about how he's saving money or whatever due to the contracts that Duncan et al sign. Nothing about him interfering in day to day operations, though he did give Pops a 10 year $55M contract extension.

 

[dviss1]

I think the owners get involved with the really big contract guys on occasion. I remember Reinsdorf went to California to sign Tyson Chandler to his first big contract. I don't think he had squat to do with Boozer or Ben Wallace or Gasol or much of anyone else. Reinsdorf rubber-stamped Thibs' firing. He is interviewed or quoted in the newspaper once every few years, unlike Cuban who's the exception.

I know what the news reports the Billionaires do.

I don't believe that for one second. And just because there's no press about the owner doesn't mean they're not intimately involved. If I were Reinsdorf I would have to be sold on and convinced to fire Thibs.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

I don't believe that for one second. And just because there's no press about the owner doesn't mean they're not intimately involved. If I were Reinsdorf I would have to be sold on and convinced to fire Thibs.

I agree. No press or proof, but my gut feeling is that PA has had his hand in more than a few of our less-than-stellar deals.

 

[dviss1]

I agree. No press or proof, but my gut feeling is that PA has had his hand in more than a few of our less-than-stellar deals.

You know what? I'm fine with whatever our billionaire owner wants to do with them save move them out of Portland.

The Blazers to PA is like 2K15 to me.

 

[dviss1]

I agree. No press or proof, but my gut feeling is that PA has had his hand in more than a few of our less-than-stellar deals.

He was all in on the Dmiles contract. I hated that move. But remember he was also on board with the Roy amnesty which helped us reboot after his injury.

 

[oldfisherman]

A team owner has the right to be involved in important decisions; he is protecting a billion dollar investment that has a hundred million dollar a year payroll. I do not label an owner that asks questions a meddler.

However, if the owner of a team does meddle too much; a good GM will eventually start looking for another job. A weak or bad GM will turn into a yes man for the owner.

I get the impression Paul Allen does not like yes men. PA likes to challenge his GM with a lot of questions. He wants strong opinions and answers, with a clear explanation of all the options, not someone that only says yes. PA will approve or deny decisions based on how well the GM supports the answers to his questions.

I am not saying PA has never meddled in the past. However, I believe he has learned better management techniques from past mistakes. He is a fast learner.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't believe that for one second. And just because there's no press about the owner doesn't mean they're not intimately involved. If I were Reinsdorf I would have to be sold on and convinced to fire Thibs.

He had to choose between the bean counters running the team and Thibs who won with what talent a limited budget would pay for. The bean counters get him $60M+ in profits every year, they won.

 

[jlprk]

Meddling bosses suck. They are activists who know what they want. Nonmeddling bosses usually don't know the technology of their own business because someone promoted them one level too many, the Peter Principle. So their subordinates don't work hard since no one can supervise them.

He had to choose between the bean counters running the team and Thibs who won with what talent a limited budget would pay for. The bean counters get him $60M+ in profits every year, they won.

Why are you meddling in this thread?

 

[jlprk]

My answer is the owners forced this CBA on the players, crying poor and claiming the teams lost $300M.

The CBA is incredibly harsh to tax payers . I don't believe any $billionaire wants to have a sports franchise bleed him for a $billion in taxes over 5 years.

Get outta here, meddler. You have no say around here. Here's today's stack of checks for you to sign.

 

[jlprk]

Would you buy a used car from this man?

 

[crandc]

Look at what we are living through in Oakland with the A's. Every time a player develops they trade him. They won't sign free agents or even go to arbitration. It's one thing for a smaller market team (Oakland is really not a small city!) to say they went after a big name guy and were outbid by the Yankees or Dodgers, it's quite another to not even attempt to compete with Kansas City, Minnesota, Houston, etc. In Oakland, it's make the All Star team, get traded. They kvetch about attendance, but every time the fans connect with a player he's gone. They just traded a top pitcher for two Class A minor leaguers. Not even triple A. I'd bet if either becomes a good major league ball player, the A's will trade him for another low level prospect.

We've talked here about favorite all time Blazers. We can name who was on the 1977 team (at least the key guys), the 1990-92 team, the 1999-2000 team, even the team from 2014. In Oakland, mention the 70s team and any fan can say Catfish, Reggie, Rollie, Captain Sal, Rudi, Campy, Kenny, Vida, Greenie, Geno. Mention the 1988-1992 team and any fan can say the Bash Brothers (Canseco/McGwire), Rickey, Eck, Stew, Captain Carney, Hendu, Cobra. Ask me who played the last time the A's made the playoffs, 2 years ago, and I'd have to think about it. Because most of them are gone.

I go to fewer and fewer A's games because what am I rooting for? As soon as I start to get behind a player, or he gets a fan following, he's gone. Yes, ownership does matter.

The A's owners keep getting richer while the team gets worse.

 

[Denny Crane]

The A's are a small market team. They're competing with the Giants who are dominant in the area.

 

[crandc]

If that was the only issue, Denny, how did the A's win 4 World Series, 6 pennants, 12 division titles?
During much of that time the Giants ownership said they could not compete. Then they changed owners. The Warriors owners said they could not compete. Then they changed owners.
The current A's ownership has decided NOT to compete.