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THE HCP said:
Brother, thanks to blond haired blue eyed baby Jesus she is.
After graduation, of the $312,000 due, she/we will owe about $12,000. MM, when they sent us the numbers, my wife and I actually broke down in tears FAMS! Don’t know how people could send their kids to institutions like that without major help. Just so excited she’s going to get all the chances and advantages I never had.
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Just don't let her get a history degree and sell coffee in Portland
 
Eastoff said:
Just don't let her get a history degree and sell coffee in Portland
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Right! Or a degree in French art!

She was starting off with a degree in Kinesiology, but was warned that the D1 sports schedule and medical majors are brutal. So she is going with a Business/Marketing major. We’ll see how this plays out.

Back on topic, I’m bummed about the PAC 12 breaking up. Will miss some of those rivalries for sure.
 
THE HCP said:
Right! Or a degree in French art!

She was starting off with a degree in Kinesiology, but was warned that the D1 sports schedule and medical majors are brutal. So she is going with a Business/Marketing major. We’ll see how this plays out.

Back on topic, I’m bummed about the PAC 12 breaking up. Will miss some of those rivalries for sure.
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Me too. The handwriting was on the wall though when USC and UCLA bailed. The finances of the league were probably the best when those two schools were top dogs and California audiences got to watch them beating up on weaker northern schools.
 
THE HCP said:
Yeah looking at these text book prices….this is crazy!
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Our school system is preying on kids man. It’s disgusting. And then they get out of school with a shit ton of debt and no guarantee of a good job. It’s so important for parents to sit down with their kids and talk about their goals now because college can’t just be a 4 year party. If they get out with a worthless degree they’re in deep shit.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That’s how they get you. The new book comes with a login and you can’t buy just the login. You could at one time. It’s a total racket.
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Not everywhere and you can apply for assistance which most students can qualify for when they are over 18 without problems.
 
THE HCP said:
Brother, thanks to blond haired blue eyed baby Jesus she is.
After graduation, of the $312,000 due, she/we will owe about $12,000. MM, when they sent us the numbers, my wife and I actually broke down in tears FAMS! Don’t know how people could send their kids to institutions like that without major help. Just so excited she’s going to get all the chances and advantages I never had.
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She worked hard and so did mom and dad. You all deserve it. Education costs are ridiculous in this country
 
If kids want an affordable college experience, they should just do what I did: attend college several decades ago. Sheesh. It's such an obvious solution.

barfo
 
barfo said:
If kids want an affordable college experience, they should just do what I did: attend college several decades ago. Sheesh. It's such an obvious solution.

barfo
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exactly right

my first year at the UofO was 1970. Stayed in a dorm. My room and board AND tuition was $500/term; $1,500/year. That's about the same as an IPad
 
wizenheimer said:
exactly right

my first year at the UofO was 1970. Stayed in a dorm. My room and board AND tuition was $500/term; $1,500/year. That's about the same as an IPad
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$1500 in 1970 dollars is about $12K today. My grandson will be going to UO next fall and the cost of tuition, room and board is something like $34K. So nearly three times as much.
 
wizenheimer said:
exactly right

my first year at the UofO was 1970. Stayed in a dorm. My room and board AND tuition was $500/term; $1,500/year. That's about the same as an IPad
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I didn’t even realize they HAD college back then! What did you major in…..Fire Starting or Cave Drawing? #BAM
 
THE HCP said:
I didn’t even realize they HAD college back then! What did you major in…..Fire Starting or Cave Drawing? #BAM
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I grew up in a small Willamette Valley logging town on the edge of the Cascades. When I was in high school, almost all of my buddies were headed to OSU. I was good at math and liked the idea of engineering so I had pretty much decided to head to Corvallis too. I do remember that some of the 'hotter' girls in school were headed to the UofO, so I did have that in the back of my mind

anyway, I was sitting at the table with my application thumbing thru the OSU catalog one last time and I noticed a number: 66% of the OSU student body was male. "wait a minute" thinks I, "I don't like that ratio...at all"

so I pulled out the UofO catalog and read the fine print: 59% of the UofO student body was female. Hmmm.

so I switched my 'major' from engineering to business. But really, I was majoring in party and girls. I must not have paid attention in class because 9 years later I had 2 ex-wives and no degree. It was a fun decade though
 
wizenheimer said:
I grew up in a small Willamette Valley logging town on the edge of the Cascades. When I was in high school, almost all of my buddies were headed to OSU. I was good at math and liked the idea of engineering so I had pretty much decided to head to Corvallis too. I do remember that some of the 'hotter' girls in school were headed to the UofO, so I did have that in the back of my mind

anyway, I was sitting at the table with my application thumbing thru the OSU catalog one last time and I noticed a number: 66% of the OSU student body was male. "wait a minute" thinks I, "I don't like that ratio...at all"

so I pulled out the UofO catalog and read the fine print: 59% of the UofO student body was female. Hmmm.

so I switched my 'major' from engineering to business. But really, I was majoring in party and girls. I must not have paid attention in class because 9 years later I had 2 ex-wives and no degree. It was a fun decade though
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Funny how girls are such a factor to a 15-17 year old. Not saying OSU did not have hot girls, I am sure they did, but I definitely remember watching the cheerleaders during the Kamikaze Kids era and saying to myself..... "that's where I am going to college".
 
Natebishop3 said:
Our school system is preying on kids man. It’s disgusting. And then they get out of school with a shit ton of debt and no guarantee of a good job. It’s so important for parents to sit down with their kids and talk about their goals now because college can’t just be a 4 year party. If they get out with a worthless degree they’re in deep shit.
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Our government stopped subsidizing our higher education in the 90s.
 
Dammit, now robots are going to take away the way I paid for college!

 
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/conference-realignment-winners-losers-oregon-comes-up-short-in-big-ten-move-arizona-fits-in-big-12/amp/

Losers: Oregon and Washington
The Ducks and Huskies have been among the most watched and successful athletic departments in the country over the past 30 years. Both programs earned a rightful place in one of the top conferences in college football. However, their arrival comes through the back door with a diminished share.

Oregon has won a College Football Playoff game and played for national championships in 2010 and 2014. Washington has four top-15 finishes in the past seven years, including an 11-2 season with an Alamo Bowl victory in 2022. Now, both programs will make substantially less money than Maryland and Northwesternto play in the same conference.

To make matters worse, the Big Ten is a logistical nightmare for the newest West Coast additions. The nearest current Big Ten member is Nebraska, more than 1,600 miles away from both schools. While USC and UCLA provide a Western wing of the conference, even those schools are more than 800 miles away. At least USC and UCLA earn $75 million per year to make the nightmare trips; Oregon and Washington will be struggling on a budget.
 
wizenheimer said:
I grew up in a small Willamette Valley logging town on the edge of the Cascades. When I was in high school, almost all of my buddies were headed to OSU. I was good at math and liked the idea of engineering so I had pretty much decided to head to Corvallis too. I do remember that some of the 'hotter' girls in school were headed to the UofO, so I did have that in the back of my mind

anyway, I was sitting at the table with my application thumbing thru the OSU catalog one last time and I noticed a number: 66% of the OSU student body was male. "wait a minute" thinks I, "I don't like that ratio...at all"

so I pulled out the UofO catalog and read the fine print: 59% of the UofO student body was female. Hmmm.

so I switched my 'major' from engineering to business. But really, I was majoring in party and girls. I must not have paid attention in class because 9 years later I had 2 ex-wives and no degree. It was a fun decade though
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Lebanon?
 
blazerfan11 said:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/conference-realignment-winners-losers-oregon-comes-up-short-in-big-ten-move-arizona-fits-in-big-12/amp/

Losers: Oregon and Washington
The Ducks and Huskies have been among the most watched and successful athletic departments in the country over the past 30 years. Both programs earned a rightful place in one of the top conferences in college football. However, their arrival comes through the back door with a diminished share.

Oregon has won a College Football Playoff game and played for national championships in 2010 and 2014. Washington has four top-15 finishes in the past seven years, including an 11-2 season with an Alamo Bowl victory in 2022. Now, both programs will make substantially less money than Maryland and Northwesternto play in the same conference.

To make matters worse, the Big Ten is a logistical nightmare for the newest West Coast additions. The nearest current Big Ten member is Nebraska, more than 1,600 miles away from both schools. While USC and UCLA provide a Western wing of the conference, even those schools are more than 800 miles away. At least USC and UCLA earn $75 million per year to make the nightmare trips; Oregon and Washington will be struggling on a budget.
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Country Club dues.......for a life ring
 
Natebishop3 said:
Our school system is preying on kids man. It’s disgusting. And then they get out of school with a shit ton of debt and no guarantee of a good job. It’s so important for parents to sit down with their kids and talk about their goals now because college can’t just be a 4 year party. If they get out with a worthless degree they’re in deep shit.
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Capitalism ftw.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Public universities should not be operating off capitalism.
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A problem but not thee problem. The issue is the requirement to have a degree for so many jobs. Taxpayers should not be splitting the bill for everyone to go to college when the majority of jobs don't really need one. And the majority of students don't belong there in the first place after fucking off in high school for 4 years. Cut out one year of HS and add a 2-year vocational school where people actually learn a skill
 
Pinwheel1 said:
A problem but not thee problem. The issue is the requirement to have a degree for so many jobs. Taxpayers should not be splitting the bill for everyone to go to college when the majority of jobs don't really need one. And the majority of students don't belong there in the first place after fucking off in high school for 4 years. Cut out one year of HS and add a 2-year vocational school where people actually learn a skill
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The main issue is that my generation and beyond has been brainwashed that you can only be successful if you go to college. Not once during k-12 do I remember them ever saying, "hey, some of you should really consider the trades." People can make a TON of money right now as a plumber, electrician, HVAC tech, etc. There's so much opportunity in the trades. I know tons of people who make six figures and are in high demand.... meanwhile we have a ton of people who graduated with a degree in communications, sociology or some other liberal arts degree, a ton of debt, and now they're making 40-50k.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Public universities should not be operating off capitalism.
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Unfortunately we've cut funding to public universities and research because of "capitalism".

And now those universities are used as another tool to extract opportunity from the middle class and the poor.
 
Tired of nonstop realignment? UCLA’s Chip Kelly may have the common-sense solution

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/story/2023-08-04/chip-kelly-college-football-realignment

Chip Kelly has a solution for all the crazy cross-country travel, not to mention the century’s worth of rivalries and tradition torn asunder by ceaseless realignment in college football.

Are you ready for a dose of common sense?

One conference. Every team. Divisions are aligned by geography.

"Do it like the NFL, where there’s NFC West, NFC North, NFC South where it’s the same thing and then we all get together,” Kelly, who coached for four seasons in the NFL before coming to UCLA, said Friday morning. “But I think there should be one conference in all of college football and just break it up like they do in the professional ranks. … That makes the most sense. There’s your travel question, there’s all those other questions.”

Traditionalists can only daydream about such simplicity, especially after Oregon and Washington were cleared to join UCLA and USC in the Big Ten Conference in 2024.

The departure of the Ducks and Huskies could spell the end of the Pac-12 since further defections are almost assured. Meanwhile, Florida State officials have publicly stated they’re looking to bolt the Atlantic Coast Conference in hopes of a more lucrative future, even reportedly engaging private equity firms as potential investment partners.

 
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