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Stanford would go independent before doing that. They don't really need TV money when they have a $36.3 billion endowment.
But they and Cal are talking to the ACC today
 
THE HCP said:
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that would be joining the MWC....increasing the membership from 12 to 16. The first two years would be locked into the existing TV contract that's paying 4M/year. I'm not certain but I've read there are no escalator clauses to increase the payout if new teams join. I suppose CBS and FOX could pump so more dollars into the deal if they are feeling generous, but c'mon. Then, in 2026 the MWC will be in the same place that the Pac-12 (Pac-10...Pac-9) just was trying to land a new contract, only from a starting point of 4M/year instead of 33M/year

FOX is dominating college football right now. I saw a tweet from one of the national guys about OSU/WSU, essentially saying that FOX would oppose OSU/WSU/Cal going to the Big-12 because they believe they can get them at a major discount in the MWC
 
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this guy has been full of shit most of the time so gauge accordingly:

 
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THE HCP said:
This dude seems to really know what he’s talking about…… has been all over it! This really doesn’t seem too far fetched.

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I played in the 4A Metro league back in 65-68.
4 A has the highest osaa league at that time.
Back then the PIL sucked….
 
Hoopguru said:
I played in the 4A Metro league back in 65-68.
4 A has the highest osaa league at that time.
Back then the PIL sucked….
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PIL still sucks. Every now amd then you get a talented group at one school or another, but most PIL sucks. If you have a good coach you can get a bunch of transfers in and make some noise.
 
tykendo said:
As long as this conference would get an invite to final 12 playoff table all good. OSU could reek havoc on this conference . Be like BYU used to be. In title contention year in, and year out. But an enhanced TV deal would have to come forward.
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I'm not sure OSU runs through that conference. We all know the Cougs can be good at times. Stanford has had some really good teams. The Cal Bears can put together some good teams and we all know Boise State and Fresno State have both beat the Beavs before.
I think that conference gets tougher and the Beavers would eventually have to work to stay on top. I agree It would be a decent move if they could get a TV deal.
 
Phatguysrule said:
PIL still sucks. Every now amd then you get a talented group at one school or another, but most PIL sucks. If you have a good coach you can get a bunch of transfers in and make some noise.
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PIL in football was very strong when I grew up. Madison vs Grant and Benson was what it was all about. Course now you can't call it Madison any longer. Notice the color of my avatar. Blue and Red baby!
 
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this guy has been full of shit most of the time so gauge accordingly:

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Given that the MWC TV deal is so paltry, I'd think the remaining Pac-4 would be able to entice the top of the MWC to defect and join a weakened, rebuilt Pac-10. Adding SDSU/BSU/FSU/UNLV/____ certainly wouldn't worth $20M/yr/team, but I'd think it'd be better than what the MWC currently pulls, or some heavily-reduced share from the Big12.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Given that the MWC TV deal is so paltry, I'd think the remaining Pac-4 would be able to entice the top of the MWC to defect and join a weakened, rebuilt Pac-10. Adding SDSU/BSU/FSU/UNLV/____ certainly wouldn't worth $20M/yr/team, but I'd think it'd be better than what the MWC currently pulls, or some heavily-reduced share from the Big12.
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there's something like a 35M exit fee from the MWC. That's essentially more than their total take from a 7 year media GOR that runs thru 2026

that's not an insurmountable exit fee but it's probably enough of an encumbrance that any team that would exit would want to have a fairly certain landing spot. That will be a hard needle to thread for any group negotiating a solid GOR for a future PAC conference with

the Apple deal that was offered to the PAC-9 was realistically in the 20-21M/year range. That was with Oregon/Washington/Utah/ASU. The Portland/Seattle/SLC/Phoenix markets. OSU might be able to claim some Portland market leverage, but WSU adds very little. And SDSU's realistic leverage in the San Diego market is minimal

I think it's a really tough hurdle to get any kind of deal lined up if Cal & Stanford are opting out, and all indications they will; Stanford almost certainly. And with existing MWC teams only having one foot out of the door. My guess would be the best they could do, if everything breaks in their favor, is around 10M/year per school. That might be a bit high, but maybe not. It would be better than the MWC payout though
 
Hoopguru said:
I played in the 4A Metro league back in 65-68.
4 A has the highest osaa league at that time.
Back then the PIL sucked….
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Yeah PIL is all about basketball and track and now women’s soccer. Last PIL team to win the state football title was Benson in ‘88. We were 4A when I graduated in ‘90 as well.
 
Phatguysrule said:
PIL still sucks. Every now amd then you get a talented group at one school or another, but most PIL sucks. If you have a good coach you can get a bunch of transfers in and make some noise.
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It’s all hit or miss. Grants boys basketball which has a storied history was killing it just up until last season when the head coach left for West Linn and took one of hte best players in the state with him, so the other star left for Lake Oswego for football. So I’m not so sure that “sucks” is the term. I could put together some pretty amazing teams if I could pull in kids from the same amount of territory some of those suburban schools do.
 
THE HCP said:
It’s all hit or miss. Grants boys basketball which has a storied history was killing it just up until last season when the head coach left for West Linn and took one of hte best players in the state with him, so the other star left for Lake Oswego for football. So I’m not so sure that “sucks” is the term. I could put together some pretty amazing teams if I could pull in kids from the same amount of territory some of those suburban schools do.
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Jefferson and Benson are pretty solid in girls basketball. Cleveland isn't terrible.

But overall, quality is quite a ways below other conferences.

PIL has the best cheerleading squads by far IMO.
 
continuing the autopsy on the demise of the Pac-12...a video that summarizes the timeline last week:



to summarize:

the deal Kliavkoff outlined on Wednesday, was not the actual GOR that he presented to the presidents on Friday morning. On Wednesday, he had said he had a 23m/year offer from Apple, AND a potential linear TV deal for premier games that would ad another 2-5M/year. And the potential fro a lot more money if subscriptions could get to the 1.7M level (which was crazy). But on Friday, all he actually had was the Apple offer for streaming only with no linear TV package. And the 23M/year was bullshit because Apple was demanding that the conference pay all production costs for the game. That would cost each school about 5M/year

in other words, the actual offer was in the 16-20M/year range for streaming only

the production cost component has been confirmed:

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this entire situation has been a slow-moving train-wreck sine the PAC hired Larry Scott. Missteps and miscalculations every step of the way. The reporting that Oregon/Washington didn't even show up for the Friday conference is false. They did, but realized immediately that Kliavkoff had been shoveling malarkey about what he had lined up; so they said bye and left for the Big-10; Oregon first, then Washington. Then the 3 other corner schools for the Big-12 although it's clear that the Arizona schools actually had left before Ducks/Huskies
 

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