Pac 12... 11... 10... 9... 8... 7...6...5...4... POOF!

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Everything I had read was that ASU was dragging their feet but Arizona was gone. Of that Zona/ASU/Utah trio, I think ASU and Utah wanted to stay for some reason.

the only person really dragging his feet was ASU's president (who was a long-time friend of Larry Scott). The Board of Regents was in favor of both schools moving
 
Last edited:
the only person really dragging his feet was ASU's president (who was a long-time friend of Larry Scott). The Board of Regents was in favor of both schools moving

Yeah, honestly it's irrelevant. Whether it's 5th or 6th, the conference was dead...... but it's Oregon's fault, right?
 
It wasn't USC that ultimately killed the PAC. It was the Ducks and Huskies. The PAC would have survived had they not bolted. The Ducks and Huskies just followed the $ signs rather than see the PAC survive.

Exactly, 100% true! It's all the Ducks' fault.

Which isn't a bad thing.

The SEC will get between $70-80 million yearly per school for their next contract.

Big 10 will get around $50-60 million.

While not as rich as the SEC we'll still be able to offer nice NIL deals to players on all of your teams that are really good.

So you'll still be able to watch them play in person with just an extra 1 hour drive south.
 
I grew up in when OSU was a solid football program and basketball was also pretty damn good.
If they were in the MW conference they'd be more on par with those schools and would be able to contend often. They would win over a lot of fans and with good regional competition. They could build on that and become a winning program.
Id rather Oregon State play WA State, Boise St, Fresno St. & AF every year, than Stanford, Cal & Colorado.
 
A few NIL offers and the best Beaver baseball players can join the Ducks!
ef7a4325cb37ac96d35bbceeb36968ba.gif
 
that's a total crock-of-shit. It's a whiny, woe is us we-did-nothing-wrong-beavers-were-innocent-victims-of-the-evil-ducks-none-of-it-is-our-fault holier than thou nonsense

I don't have the connections I used to have, but I do have a couple and I'll repeat some things that I have been told, most of which is easy to confirm. :

* the first big mistake that Pac-12 made was hiring Larry Scott and allowing him to have the conference form an independent Pac-12 network. Rob Mullens and Phil Knight were against it and Oregon wanted the PAC to form a broadcast/streaming partnership like the Big-10 has with FOX and the SEC has with. But most schools were enthusiastic about the crap Scott was selling and that includes OSU and WSU whose presidents were two of the biggest Scott cheerleaders along with ASU's president. If ESPN, for instance, had a big investment in the Pac-12 network and were a primary partner, they would have been much less likely to abandon the PAC when the next round of media GOR was being negotiated. That decision went a long way in killing the PAC and it was OSU on the stupid side of it

* in 2021, when Texas/Oklahoma announced they were leaving the Big-12 for the SEC, the Big-12 was a shipwreck. In the next month or so, several of the premier Big-12 schools called the PAC and negotiated with Kliavkoff about joining the Pac-12. Kliavkoff called for a meeting of Pac-12 presidents to vote on the issue of expansion with selected Big-12 teams. Oregon was in favor of expansion and argued for it. USC led the charge AGAINST expansion and OSU/WSU both voted with USC (IIRC the vote was 8-4 against). If the Pac-12 had done the expansion, there would have been nowhere else for ESPN and Fox to have gone for their media deals. This was another nail in the coffin for the Pac-12 and again, OSU was on the stupid side

* a few months after that, Kliavkoff was deep into negotiations with ESPN, FOX, and Amazon about a new media GOR. By all reports, the media companies were prepared to sign a deal that would have paid Pac-12 teams slightly more than what the Big-12 signed for in the vacuum of Pac-12 hubris. Again, Oregon was in favor of accepting the deal. And again, the majority said no, and that majority included OSU & WSU

* finally, as has been widely reported, the deal(s) Kliavkoff told the Pac-12 presidents, last Wednesday, he had lined up was a base streaming package with 23M/year per school in payout with subscription escalators; and that he had several different media interested in a linear TV package that would add 2-6M/year more. But when he presented the actual deal Friday morning, not only didn't it have any linear TV component; and not only did it have unreachable subscription thresholds, it included a clause from Apple that said the conference was responsible for all production costs which was estimated to deduct at least 5M/year from each school's payout. Meaning the actual deal was for 16-18M/year....all on a streaming platform

it was a classic bait & switch and that's when Oregon/Washington finally said enough

If you're going to single out any school for destroying the Pac-12, it was USC. As I linked above, when Kliavkoff came to the presidents advocating the Pac-12 expand with 4-6 Big-12 teams, it was USC's president who was most responsible for scuttling the deal. And just a few months later, USC bolted to the BIG. It would be incredibly naive to think this wasn't a strategy to neuter the PAC-12 and especially neuter Oregon in their ability to recruit southern California

and if you're wanting to point a finger at one of the Oregon schools, point it at OSU for it's constant 'we-believe-in-Larry-Scott's-pie-in-the-sky' wishful thinking

when this all started, I was feeling bad for OSU; hoping they might find a soft landing somewhere. But as Beaver fans, and even OSU officials, have tried to blame Oregon for this situation; as the beaver bile and venom has been spewed at the Ducks; as they try and act like innocent blameless victims in all this, I find I don't give a shit about the Beavers any more. Maybe they will somehow climb into the Big-12 on a reduced share; doubtful but possible I suppose. If not, enjoy the MWC
I'm not defending blaming the Ducks because I don't. But come on man, have you not seen the vitriol Ducks fans have been spewing too?
 
I'm not defending blaming the Ducks because I don't. But come on man, have you not seen the vitriol Ducks fans have been spewing too?

What's there to be mad about from Duck fans?

What irritated Duck fans some was the Beavers AD acting like this was a great deal and the Ducks screwed the Beavers.

Seems like everyone but the Beavers knew something bad was coming. Hell, Washington State shut down spending months ago.

Beaver fans are correct, the Beavers have had some solid teams in football, basketball, and baseball over the last 10 years.

But once USC and UCLA bolted it was time to reach out to the Ducks and make a joint presentation to the Big 10. Travel is much easier for the other teams in the Big 10 to land in Eugene and play the Ducks and the Beavers for all the sports besides football. It would have been an easier sell than Oregon and Washington. But that obviously didn't happen. Your AD has come out with statements like he's livid, and the Ducks and Huskies leaving totally caught him by surprise.

The Beaver AD's inaction is what hurt the Beavers.
 
What's there to be mad about from Duck fans?

What irritated Duck fans some was the Beavers AD acting like this was a great deal and the Ducks screwed the Beavers.

exactly to your first comment. What do Ducks fans have to be mad about? Why would they take a shit on the Beavers grave?
 
exactly to your first comment. What do Ducks fans have to be mad about? Why would they take a shit on the Beavers grave?
I haven't seen that.

Again, what slightly irritated some Duck fans was Beaver fans blaming them for this. I think this thread is a good microcosm of that, no one is shitting on the Beavers. A couple of Beavers are blaming the Ducks in this thread.
 
I haven't seen that.

Again, what slightly irritated some Duck fans was Beaver fans blaming them for this. I think this thread is a good microcosm of that, no one is shitting on the Beavers. A couple of Beavers are blaming the Ducks in this thread.
No. You missed it. As soon as I have a few i'll link multiple tweets for you.
 
It wasn't USC that ultimately killed the PAC. It was the Ducks and Huskies. The PAC would have survived had they not bolted. The Ducks and Huskies just followed the $ signs rather than going down with the fast sinking ship... my hate for all things Ducks is not confined by space, time and least of all logic
FIFY! you're welcome

STOMP
 
No. You missed it. As soon as I have a few i'll link multiple tweets for you.
Remember you can virtually find tweets on anything in this world. I wouldn't use Twitter as a measure of a fan base.

While most (not all) of my Oregon fans are happy Oregon got on the life raft, not one of them is remotely happy OSU is getting the shaft. It would be in Oregon's best interest to be making $60m/year in TV revenue while the original Pac12 stayed together. Unfortunately, the odds of something even half that good sailed a year ago.
 
Remember you can virtually find tweets on anything in this world. I wouldn't use Twitter as a measure of a fan base.

While most (not all) of my Oregon fans are happy Oregon got on the life raft, not one of them is remotely happy OSU is getting the shaft. It would be in Oregon's best interest to be making $60m/year in TV revenue while the original Pac12 stayed together. Unfortunately, the odds of something even half that good sailed a year ago.
I agree with you. That's why it is disheartening seeing some dudes thinking its cool to shit on the Beavs now because they are fed up.

Truth is, the Beavs are fucked. And thats a sad thing for Oregon, the history of the game they used to call the Civil war, and one of Oregons better Universities in terms of popularity. The pac 12 not existing is sad.
 
I agree with you. That's why it is disheartening seeing some dudes thinking its cool to shit on the Beavs now because they are fed up.

Truth is, the Beavs are fucked. And thats a sad thing for Oregon, the history of the game they used to call the Civil war, and one of Oregons better Universities in terms of popularity. The pac 12 not existing is sad.
I agree, I think the global situation of Fox/ESPN + College Football controlling conference alignment sucks in many areas. Nobody should celebrate OSU being kicked to the curb and nobody should be angry with Oregon for joining the B1G given the circumstances.
 
Last edited:
I'm not defending blaming the Ducks because I don't. But come on man, have you not seen the vitriol Ducks fans have been spewing too?

I've seen plenty both directions, for years...for decades. But Duck fans are not envious and bitter about Beaver success

besides, I was talking about some OSU officals, and a lot of Beaver fans pointing at Oregon as a big reason the Pac-12 failed. It's fucking ridiculous
 
I agree, I think the global situation of Fox/ESPN + College Football controlling conference alignment sucks in many areas. Nobody should celebrate OSU being kicked to the curb and nobody should be angry with Oregon for joining the B1G given the circumstances.

that is what happens when a sport does not have an anti-trust exemption. And there is simply no way NCAA sports can get one. The 1984 SCOTUS ruling was where this situation germinated. Took nearly 40 years and a subsequent SCOTUS ruling dealing with athlete compensation and NIL to get to the semi-controlled chaos of today
 
Last edited:
that is what happens when a sport does not have an anti-trust exemption. And there is simply no way NCAA sports can get one. The 1984 SCOTUS ruling was where this situation germinated. Took nearly 40 years and a subsequent SCOTUS ruling dealing with athlete compensation and NIL to get to the controlled chaos of today
I'm not sure what the answer is. The NCAA doesn't have the best interest of the schools, athletes, fans either.
 
I've seen plenty both directions, for years...for decades. But Duck fans are not envious and bitter about Beaver success

False. Maybe you don't feel that way but this is sports. I've met Duck fans that have been complete haters on everything the Beavs do. And were happy Ducks baseball could poach Beavers recruits.
 
I'm not sure what the answer is. The NCAA doesn't have the best interest of the schools, athletes, fans either.

there might not be an answer

the NCAA is trying to tighten the rules on transfers and the transfer portal. But I saw an analysis by a sports attorney a while back. I may have some things a bit off of what he said, but here's how I saw it: he was saying the recent SCOTUS ruling essentially said that the NCAA had very little authority to regulate an athlete's right to pursue compensation for the talent and NIL. That the NCAA had an extremely narrow ramp to build on that didn't infringe on those rights

he talked about transfers and the transfer portal. About how the NCAA wanted to impose a 1 year wait in some circumstances. He said that would be challenged and overturned. His reasoning was an example he used of a a starting QB at one university who had a $250,000 NIL deal for a season. But if he transferred to another university with immediate eligibility te next season and could sign a $900,000 NIL deal there, the NCAA imposing a 1 year waiting period would be a direct infringement on that player's right for compensation

he also predicted that the NCAA rule prohibiting NIL deals based upon performance would probably be legally challenged eventually and overturned because the NCAA did not have the authority to prohibit merit based compensation

yeah, it's a wild west of the rich getting richer, but that's really not a departure from what has been going on for 30 years
 
Last edited:
False. Maybe you don't feel that way but this is sports. I've met Duck fans that have been complete haters on everything the Beavs do. And were happy Ducks baseball could poach Beavers recruits.

I've met beaver fans who eat puppies and hate America
 
False. Maybe you don't feel that way but this is sports. I've met Duck fans that have been complete haters on everything the Beavs do. And were happy Ducks baseball could poach Beavers recruits.

I would tend to agree there is no school that doesn't have a percentage of their fans who irrationally dislike their rival and wish them to lose every game/recruit possible. Since you brought up baseball, I'm sure you're aware there were Beaver fans strongly rooting against Oregon when they most recently played in the super regional. Does those fans make the OSU fanbase awful? No.

Personally, I go by these rules when rooting for college sports:
  1. Root for Oregon
  2. When Oregon isn't playing, what team winning/losing helps Oregon the most
  3. Root for Oregon St
  4. Root for the upset.
I'd root for Washington, Oregon St, and USC all in the same weekend if it benefited Oregon, but everyone fans differently.
 
I would tend to agree there is no school that doesn't have a percentage of their fans who irrationally dislike their rival and wish them to lose every game/recruit possible. Since you brought up baseball, I'm sure you're aware there were Beaver fans strongly rooting against Oregon when they most recently played in the super regional. Does those fans make the OSU fanbase awful? No.

Personally, I go by these rules when rooting for college sports:
  1. Root for Oregon
  2. When Oregon isn't playing, what team winning/losing helps Oregon the most
  3. Root for Oregon St
  4. Root for the upset.
I'd root for Washington, Oregon St, and USC all in the same weekend if it benefited Oregon, but everyone fans differently.
Of course I know Beavers fans that would root against everything Oregon.

Just like a Ducks fan in this very thread that went all Laker to Blazer fan like about the Beavers never being a rival to the Ducks.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top