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SharpesTriumph said:
Big10 with 24 schools??? Wtf kind of conference is that.
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adding Oregon/Washington would put the Big-10 at 18. SEC will have 16; Big-12 at least 14, sames as ACC

it's the way things are heading and it's driven by media. FOX has wanted UofO/UofW in the Big-10 since the USC/UCLA news. With the potential demise of the PAC, FOX really wants to have those later time slots on Saturday nights as well as occasionally on Friday nights. With 4 Pacific coast teams, they'll have the content to fill those slots. Reportedly, the Big-10 has been hesitant about adding the Ducks/Huskies, but that's when they thought they could add them according to their own time-frame. But the Big-10 doesn't want to lose those schools to the Big-12, and Fox doesn't want to lose them to ESPN

it's a long long ways from being a done deal yet. Still a lot of monkey-wrenches in the way. But the tea leaves sure seem to indicate it as a lot closer to probability than it has ever been
 
Seems like it is time to start talking about a Big10/Big12/SEC/ACC merger. I think 60-odd teams is a good size for a conference.

barfo
 
Unfortunately the meeting didn't go as Oregon State had hoped, still a chance to be included but their confidence was not founded.
 
Well if the Ducks and Beavers do end up in different conferences, the one thing I won't miss is playing the Civil War in cold rainy conditions. Play it in September.
 
hoopsjock said:
Unfortunately the meeting didn't go as Oregon State had hoped, still a chance to be included but their confidence was not founded.
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Think I'm resigned to Beavs going to the WAC or something. Just don't see why any major conference is going to want them.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Think I'm resigned to Beavs going to the WAC or something. Just don't see why any major conference is going to want them.
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with the rumors/news that Arizona is about to join the Big-12:

Pac-8 (1964)--->Pac-10 (1978)--->Pac-12 (2011)--->Pac-8 (2024)

it's come full circle

now, if ASU & Utah go to the Big-12, it could be the Pac-6

(I've been told that the Big-12 views Arizona+Colorado as a good pairing and would much prefer Oregon+Washington as the next pairing over Utah/ASU, but will settle for the latter. Ducks/Huskies don't want the Big-12 at all, but may have no choice)

OSU/WSU aren't completely isolated...Cal/Stanford are still hanging around and of course UofO/UofW haven't landed anywhere yet and as of now, Utah/ASU are still in the PAC

(I've also been told: several Big-10 presidents & chancellors actually lean toward Cal/Stanford over UofO/UofW because of their academic prestige and research budgets, but that the Big-10 media partners, especially FOX, have pushed back hard against Cal/Stanford over UofO/UofW. They want the eyeballs that Ducks/Huskies would bring. There are apparently escalator clauses in the Big-10 media deal for additions like UofO/UofW and Notre Dame, but it's up to the discretion of media and they won't add any money for the Bay Area schools)

whether or not the guy telling me these things actually has good info I don't know. He admits it's 2nd-hand info and isn't very confident about it. There are also some vague rumors about the ACC being interested in a Pacific coast alliance by adding UofO/UofW/Cal/Stanford and maybe Utah/ASU. But I haven't heard anything about any major conference interest in OSU/WSU

Pinwheel1 said:
Well if the Ducks and Beavers do end up in different conferences, the one thing I won't miss is playing the Civil War in cold rainy conditions. Play it in September.
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just to add to the 'what-I've-been-told-that-may-or-may-not-be-true' from above:

if Oregon goes to the Big-10 and OSU goes to the MWC, the chances that Oregon would agree to an annual home-and-home game with OSU are pretty low. None of the elite teams like OSU, Alabama, Georgia, LSU are dumb enough to schedule annual 'trap' games, especially against non-power-5 opponents. And the elite schools only play out-of-conference games on the road once about every 3 or 4 years. There would be no upside in playing the Beavs every year, only downside.
 
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As far as brand names go, the Pac 10/12 was one of the strongest in all college sports. It's just amazing how much the powers in charge of the Pac 12 over the last 10 years have destroyed that. Then add in the fact you have pretty much the capitol of television in LA and the capitol of tech/streaming in Northern California and the Pac 12 has been not just slow, but completely resistant to partner or take advantage of either of them.

The Pac 12 headquarters is moving to a shopping center. Seriously, a fucking shopping center.

At this point Nike should buy the rights to the Pac 8/10/12 and the Rose Bowl, make UCLA and USC a deal they can't refuse, and have 2 divisions, UCLA, USC, UofO, and UofW in one, and OSU, WSU, Stanford, and ??? Make it so one of the UCLASCOW schools always get into the College Football Playoffs and the rest can still be invited in if good enough.

Sell the broadcast rights to Netflix and/or Youtube with a broadcast network game of the week on Saturday nights.
 
I used to be a big college athletics fan. I preferred it to professional sports... but all that changed for me ~10-12 years ago.

I don't watch football at all anymore. Im sick of the conference realignment merry-go-round.

Only basketball Ill watch is the last ~5 minutes of a March madness game that has potential to be an upset

They really did destroy a good thing
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I used to be a big college athletics fan. I preferred it to professional sports... but all that changed for me ~10-12 years ago.

I don't watch football at all anymore. Im sick of the conference realignment merry-go-round.

Only basketball Ill watch is the last ~5 minutes of a March madness game that has potential to be an upset

They really did destroy a good thing
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The transfer portal and NIL have really killed the sport for me. And now super conferences are the nail in the coffin. Might as well just watch the NFL. There’s more parity in the NFL.
 
If/when the PAC collapses that might be it for me, too. Although I place a lot of blame on Gary Andersen. It will be a real shame if the beavs really did end up in the WAC and the civil war is only every couple years or some bullshit. I won't blame the ducks like some other OSU hardcore's undoubtedly will. Eugene and Phil have to look out for themselves and I can't blame them. This may be Corvallis' last hurrah at running the table for a Rose Bowl bid though. Give 'em hell this year!!!
 
Natebishop3 said:
The transfer portal and NIL have really killed the sport for me. And now super conferences are the nail in the coffin. Might as well just watch the NFL. There’s more parity in the NFL.
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Don't watch the NFL. Don't watch football period.
 
Rumors going around that the The Pac 12 Fuckup is going to bring into the conference... ready... wait for it... wait for it...

San Diego State
Boise State
UNLV
and
Fresno State


Holy shit! That is so pathetic.
 
I feel really bad for Oregon State in all of this. Absolutely fucked.

They expanded their stadium based on the TV and attendance revenue of a Power 5 conference team.
They're paying Jonathan Smith the salary of a Power 5 conference coach.

The Pac Fuckup is going to be the Mountain West next season. There won't be enough revenue coming in starting next season to meet their budget commitments.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
I feel really bad for Oregon State in all of this. Absolutely fucked.

They expanded their stadium based on the TV and attendance revenue of a Power 5 conference team.
They're paying Jonathan Stewart the salary of a Power 5 conference coach.

The Pac Fuckup is going to be the Mountain West next season. There won't be enough revenue coming in starting next season to meet their budget commitments.
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Jonathan Smith*

How disrespectful.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Rumors going around that the The Pac 12 Fuckup is going to bring into the conference... ready... wait for it... wait for it...

San Diego State
Boise State
UNLV
and
Fresno State


Holy shit! That is so pathetic.
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If it gets a TV deal done, I'm fine with it. The big problem the Pac 12 has right now is that having LA as a major media market was a pretty significant part of the TV deal. Before the LA schools left the idea was a 250 mil a year deal would probably happen. But now people are saying they'll be lucky to get a 100 mil a year deal. If you're Oregon State and you be gotta make loan payments on your arena upgrades and the big 12 will have you, go get it.
 
I have a fam member who used to coach HS football, been retired for 5 years, he seen a lack of enthusiasm and participation develop years ago. To many options and parents fearful of injuries, especially single moms. Some programs have a challenge fielding enough players year to year now, whereas in the past it wasn’t as tough.
 
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Probably a good idea to go back to last summer where some of these same sources were saying and Oregon/Washington move to the Big10 was coming shortly. A lot of rumors being thrown against the wall right now, but I can't imagine the majority of these outlets are tied in with the conference offices.

I will say, Oregon/Washington going to the Big12 seems unlikely to me because of the penalty that would be attached for leaving the conference in the next 99 years. I'm guessing both schools would prefer to stay in the P12 for $5-$10m less a year than pay a $70-80m exit fee in 5 seasons.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Rumors going around that the The Pac 12 Fuckup is going to bring into the conference... ready... wait for it... wait for it...

San Diego State
Boise State
UNLV
and
Fresno State


Holy shit! That is so pathetic.
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If you added those teams, is the Pac-12 worse than the Big 12? I'm not sure that it is.
 
I don't really understand how there's such a long term financial benefit in total for all these schools. Seems more like a pure short term moneygrab.

Yeah the Big10 TV contract could be massive in total; but they'll have to split it between ~24 schools. If the old Big10/Pac12 sized conferences each got a contract half the size then it's split by half as many teams. So each team would get the same amount per school.

Plus now add all the extra travel costs as well as the 20 non football sports and I question if there is really actually a long term benefit.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Rumors going around that the The Pac 12 Fuckup is going to bring into the conference... ready... wait for it... wait for it...

San Diego State
Boise State
UNLV
and
Fresno State


Holy shit! That is so pathetic.
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I wonder if first Oregon UW Stan Cal ASU AZ will all try to jump ship to Big10/big12. Maybe 2 of them don't make it. So all that is left is ORST WSU Utah plus two schools Yeah they add these 4 schools you list plus find 3 more and they can still call it the Pac12. It will have more marketing and revenue than calling it the WAC, even though it's a pretty pathetic conference.
 
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