Zombie Palin/Biden Debate Thread (Democrats suck)

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Palin scored, but Biden won

SNAP polls of undecided voters have given Democrat Joe Biden an easy victory over Republican rival Sarah Palin in today's first and only vice-presidential debate.

Palin, 44, and Biden, 65, faced off in St. Louis, Missouri, at a critical moment for John McCain's Republican White House campaign, as Democrat Barack Obama opened up a lead in all fronts ahead of election day on November 4.

A CBS poll gave Biden a 46 per cent to 21 per cent victory, while CNN scored it at 51-36.

Despite the polling it was clear that Palin did much better than expected after being hammered in the media for the past three weeks after a series of faltering performances in TV interviews.
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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24440638-601,00.html
 
<tt><tt>{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...</tt>

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</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td align="right" width="35"><tt>27%</tt></td> <td align="right" width="95"><tt> 49,256</tt></td> </tr></tbody></table><tt> <input name="ePoll_ele76" value="eff939ff-2801-42b9-b215-9864c9dd3e19" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; display: none; width: 13px;" type="radio"> <tt>PALIN</tt>
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</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td align="right" width="35"><tt>71%</tt></td> <td align="right" width="95"><tt> 131,153</tt></td> </tr></tbody></table><tt> <input name="ePoll_ele76" value="e7f16882-5536-4798-9ce5-9c751025f430" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; display: none; width: 13px;" type="radio"> <tt>NEITHER</tt>
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</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td align="right" width="35"><tt>2%</tt></td> <td align="right" width="95"><tt> 3,230</tt></td> </tr></tbody></table><tt>
<tt>Total Votes: 183,639</tt></tt>
 
Dumpy said:
Palin did a very credible job. She was very well coached, and memorizing her closing statement was a killer. She's very good at looking directly at the camera. However, in at least three occassions, she completely ignored the question and just launched into her talking points, which (a) on one hand was a good strategy, and she did it without fumbling around, which made it hard to remember what the actual question was, and (b) annoyed the hell out of me.

She also clearly wasn't listening at all to what Biden was saying (looking happily into the camera while he was breaking down, talking about his family and losing a child); she had the most trouble in her follow-up comments, which often had nothing to do with what Biden had been talking about ("Let me return to taxes").

She has the ability to talk about anything and give the impression that she knows what she is talking about. I'm not belittling that; it is a great skill to have.

I thought Biden did a fine job as well. He did a good job at kind of ignoring her, and talking about McCain and his policies, and trying to differentiate the Democratic ticket. He got out his talking points and didn't show disrespect to his opponent.
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Nice post. I thought Biden choking up over the death of his wife and kid was a really sincere moment. People can joke about his "waterworks", but imagine how painful that would be. It was easily the single most sincere moment of the debate, and Biden evoked it flawlessly.

I was stunned when Palin just bulldozed right over that response. If you reversed genders and Palin had said something so emotional and Biden has plowed right past it without recognizing it for what it was, a lot of people would be calling Biden an insensitive sexist jerk.

Anyway, that moment and Palin reminding everyone that she's been on the national scene for all of five weeks were the biggest flubs on her part, which is much better than I would have thought.

Palin was shooting holes through the bottom of her boat with a shotgun until tonight. Good for her to point the gun elsewhere, and I suppose you can paint that improved aim as a victory. But it doesn't change the fact that McCain's boat is taking on water in a massive way.
 
*yawn* you didn't get the Palin failure you were hoping for, so your side lost!

the debates just strengthen the views of the candidates.....Palin was strengthened, Biden was about neutral....
 
drexlersdad said:
how anyone could vote for a 72 year old mccain with her a heartbeat away from being president is beyond my comprehension.
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because all the "heartbeat" away stuff is bullshit. yeah, mccain is old. the odds of him dying in office are still very slim and really not much higher than the odds of obama dying in office.
 
Xericx said:
*yawn* you didn't get the Palin failure you were hoping for, so your side lost!

the debates just strengthen the views of the candidates.....Palin was strengthened, Biden was about neutral....
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You're just mad because black people made peanut butter.
 
We need a comment from Diana Prince!

Come on down! Your turn to play the Prince is Right!
 
Denny Crane said:
<tt><tt>{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...</tt>

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</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td align="right" width="35"><tt>27%</tt></td> <td align="right" width="95"><tt> 49,256</tt></td> </tr></tbody></table><tt> <input name="ePoll_ele76" value="eff939ff-2801-42b9-b215-9864c9dd3e19" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; display: none; width: 13px;" type="radio"> <tt>PALIN</tt>
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</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td align="right" width="35"><tt>71%</tt></td> <td align="right" width="95"><tt> 131,153</tt></td> </tr></tbody></table><tt> <input name="ePoll_ele76" value="e7f16882-5536-4798-9ce5-9c751025f430" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; display: none; width: 13px;" type="radio"> <tt>NEITHER</tt>
</tt><table style="margin-bottom: 3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="230"><tbody><tr> <td bgcolor="lightgrey" width="100"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="black" height="12" width="3">
</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td align="right" width="35"><tt>2%</tt></td> <td align="right" width="95"><tt> 3,230</tt></td> </tr></tbody></table><tt>
<tt>Total Votes: 183,639</tt></tt>
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This is what polling looks like when its internet polling.
 
Xericx said:
*yawn* you didn't get the Palin failure you were hoping for, so your side lost!

the debates just strengthen the views of the candidates.....Palin was strengthened, Biden was about neutral....
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So these polls can't be trusted because they're posted by someone who supports Obama?

Tell me what exactly it is that you find wrong with these polls, taken from a random sample.
 
As with the Obama-McCain debate last Friday, the vast majority of the insta-polls went to the Democratic ticket. Biden won the CBS poll of undecideds 46-21, and the CNN poll of debate watchers 51-36. Independents in the large MediaCurves focus group panel went for Biden about 2:1.

The internals, however, weren't nearly as bad for Palin as the topline results. She got a jump in preparedness in the CBS poll, and the CNN found that a large majority of voters concluded that she had beaten their expectations.

Palin's largest problem, to my eyes, is that she was tangibly nervous for most of the debate, rushing through talking points and canned jokes alike with unsually little inflection. I doubt that this will impact her favorables much -- in fact, it seems likely that her favroables will improve. But it may contribute to the increasing feelings of dis-ease that some voters have with the McCain campaign, which no longer seems like the manifestly safer choice.

The McCain campaign did not opt, in the end, for Sarah Barracuda. They wanted
Palin scripted, and in some cases she seemed to have her lines literally memorized. This was the more risk-averse choice, but provided for few genuine moments of spontaneity.

It also allowed Joe Biden to get a lot of free shots in at John McCain, several of which were quite effective. Perhaps, in the end, this wasn't as difficult a debate for Biden to prepare for as it had been made out to be. Hammer McCain, knowing that Palin would have to go off-script to defend him.

Sean will talk more about this, but I suspect that the Sarah Palin chapter of the campaign is largely over. She may draw large crowds in her next couple of public appearances; it's also not out of the question that the media will sour on her performance in the forthcoming days, once it's been removed somewhat from her safety net of low expectations. But after that, she may largely fade into the background, and if she is making news, it may not be for reasons the McCain campaign likes.

At the end of the day, this is another missed opportunity for the McCain campaign, a fact which is only betrayed by conservative commentators' hyperbolic attempts to spin to the contrary. But McCain may well have been willing to take that settlement ahead of time, figuring they had more to lose tonight than to gain.
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http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/post-vp-debate-thoughts.html
 
Denny Crane said:
We need a comment from Diana Prince!

Come on down! Your turn to play the Prince is Right!
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I thought both did really well. Biden really struggled early in the debate, but came on strong as the night wore on. Palin IMO really did about as well as the republicans could have hoped for.

I am an Independent, so these mean a lot to me. My man of choice was always Rudy G. I tend to agree with a lot of his views. To be honest, Obama scares the shit out of me. I don't trust him for a second either. But here is the single reason I will be voting for John McCain. The house and the senate are ruled by the democrats. I really think it's important to have someone on the other side to ballance that out. The same thing happened when Bush was in office and the house and senate were republican. With Obama in office there will be no one to say "hey, we shouldn't spend 400 trillion dollars on minorities and illegal aliens"
 
Diana Prince said:
I thought both did really well. Biden really struggled early in the debate, but came on strong as the night wore on. Palin IMO really did about as well as the republicans could have hoped for.

I am an Independent, so these mean a lot to me. My man of choice was always Rudy G. I tend to agree with a lot of his views. To be honest, Obama scares the shit out of me. I don't trust him for a second either. But here is the single reason I will be voting for John McCain. The house and the senate are ruled by the democrats. I really think it's important to have someone on the other side to ballance that out. The same thing happened when Bush was in office and the house and senate were republican. With Obama in office there will be no one to say "hey, we shouldn't spend 400 trillion dollars on minorities and illegal aliens"
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Hey, if they're spending $400T, the least they could do is give me $1!

(nice post!)
 
Dumpy said:
I don't get the emphasis on "winning" and "losing." They aren't competing against each other. Their job is just to present their views to the American people, and allow voters to accurately differentiate among their policies and positions.
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Exactly. Neither canidate blew it or fell flat on their face. Palin is not the idiot the interviews made her out to be. Biden is not the idiot the media made him out to be.

So now it's back to the issues.

For me, Palin bolstered the idea that the rep party might just might be for the middle class (I don't get that from McCain at all),

The maverick issue is important and an aspect I like about McCain. But I thought Biden attacked that well and I really don't know if he is really a maverick (I would hate to get suckered into a gimmick phrase or word).

Taxes . . . ugh. I think this is the reps best hook to get votes. Many are hurting, many are confused about politics and many will end up knee jerk reaction vote of I DON"T WANT TO PAY MORE TAXES and that means I'm voting for *flip a coin* McCain.

I'll pull a Biden and say the strangest comment while I ramble . . . I want Biden for President. The dude knows his shit and sounds intelligent. I like him. He comes across sincere, balanced, experienced and well respected. I say throw Obama and Palin out and have a Biden/McCain ticket. (They got along in the past . . .)
 
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I found the debate very intriguing. I am a little more patient with Palin and her knowledge of the history of Politics, supreme court and deep inner working of Washington. I think up until she was picked up on Mccains ticket very little of that was relevant to her as a Mayor, and then she hasn't been a Governor long enough to have delved too deeply. With that said My takes on the debate.

Biden won the debate from the stance of a traditional political debate. Palin did a better job using the platform to speak to voters.

Biden sruck me as a traditional Washington product, Palin to me comes across as more of a get the job done person.

I kept expecting to hear " Yeeehaaaa Jesters dead!!!" Followed by a buzzing of the tower.

I am really irritated about the Obama camp and their theme of change but really focusing on the Bush administration, which to me is irrelevant right now. To me we are where we are, where do we go from here? I liked that Palin called Biden on that.

I think it is really telling that Biden shifted to using her tactic of "Home Town"

My mind hasn't been made up yet. I hate how Washington operates, Biden seems to represent that, and Palin seems to speak more to my thoughts about politics, but I'm not concvinced she is quite ready to be Presient... But she's running for VP so ....
 
I'm not in the McCain camp, but I was pleased by her performance and her folksy nature. I would never vote for Obama/Biden but before the debate I thought I would not vote for McCain/Palin...I liked Palin's performance, she kept it relatively safe though and didn't go outside her comfort zone.
 
44Thrilla said:
Chris Matthews had a good analogy. Biden won, but Palin beat the spread.
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Chris Matthews is contemplating running for the Senate as a Dem in '10.

LMAO at you for thinking he is objective.
 
PapaG said:
Chris Matthews is contemplating running for the Senate as a Dem in '10.

LMAO at you for thinking he is objective.
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I used to really like Chris Matthews, but the objectivity train left the station for him about eight months ago. I think he's going to look back at his statements and performance during this election and feel a bit embarrassed.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Yeah, crazy idea! Must be the reason why John McCain has been lobbying so hard for the guy who came up with this idea and employed it in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

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great book and cause

STOMP
 
Okay, I've now watched CNN's, FOX's and MSNBC's analyses, and it's like they watched three different debates. Can't anyone just be honest anymore?
 
Jack RamsaysPants said:
I found the debate very intriguing. I am a little more patient with Palin and her knowledge of the history of Politics, supreme court and deep inner working of Washington. I think up until she was picked up on Mccains ticket very little of that was relevant to her as a Mayor, and then she hasn't been a Governor long enough to have delved too deeply. With that said My takes on the debate.

Biden won the debate from the stance of a traditional political debate. Palin did a better job using the platform to speak to voters.

Biden sruck me as a traditional Washington product, Palin to me comes across as more of a get the job done person.

I kept expecting to hear " Yeeehaaaa Jesters dead!!!" Followed by a buzzing of the tower.

I am really irritated about the Obama camp and their theme of change but really focusing on the Bush administration, which to me is irrelevant right now. To me we are where we are, where do we go from here? I liked that Palin called Biden on that.

I think it is really telling that Biden shifted to using her tactic of "Home Town"

My mind hasn't been made up yet. I hate how Washington operates, Biden seems to represent that, and Palin seems to speak more to my thoughts about politics, but I'm not concvinced she is quite ready to be Presient... But she's running for VP so ....
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He didn't steal her tactic. That was his tactic first. Every since Obama picked him, they've talked nonstop about Scranton, Scranton, Scranton. It's juts that the media hasn't given any airtime to Biden, so people have no idea what he's said.
 
maxiep said:
I used to really like Chris Matthews, but the objectivity train left the station for him about eight months ago. I think he's going to look back at his statements and performance during this election and feel a bit embarrassed.
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He got in some feud with Olbermann (which didn't make too much sense to me, since Olbermann is in New York, and Matthews is in the Washington D.C. studio for the most part), and took a like 1 1/2 month vacation away from Olbermann, and ever since he's gotten back from that, he's been downright terrible.

And Matthews used to work for Tio O'neill, did anyone think he wasn't biased?
 
The buzz this morning is that Palin won the debate.


Palin/Jindal 2012?
 
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