Zombie Palin/Biden Debate Thread (Democrats suck)

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Денг Гордон said:
He got in some feud with Olbermann (which didn't make too much sense to me, since Olbermann is in New York, and Matthews is in the Washington D.C. studio for the most part), and took a like 1 1/2 month vacation away from Olbermann, and ever since he's gotten back from that, he's been downright terrible.

And Matthews used to work for Tio O'neill, did anyone think he wasn't biased?
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Matthews is seriously considering running for Arlen Specter's seat in PA as a Democrat.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275140

He worked for Jimmy Carter and, as noted above, worked for Tip O'Neill, who was Speaker of the House.

He is a partisan hack, and anything he says should be viewed in the same manner as anything Sean Hannity would say.
 
PapaG said:
The buzz ON RUSH LIMBAUGH this morning is that Palin won the debate.


Palin/Jindal 2012?
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Fixed your post. Dude - noboby with any objectivity thinks Palin won the debate. She did fine, but Biden - as expected - debated better.

But Palin did what she was supposed to do. She didn't fuck up, and she kept bringing the focus back to McCain.

The problem for the Republicans is that they need a game-changer at this point because they are lagging big-time in the polls, and Palin isn't going to do anything but appeal the people that were already voting for McCain anyway.

-Pop
 
AOL Live Poll


Poll Results


Who won the debate?

<table class="p_answer" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="p_atable"> <td class="p_atxt_td p_atxt">Sarah Palin</td><td class="p_arow">
47%</td><td class="p_vote_count p_atxt">234,690</td> </tr> <tr class="p_atable"> <td class="p_atxt_td p_atxt">Joe Biden</td><td class="p_arow">
45%</td><td class="p_vote_count p_atxt">225,715</td> </tr> <tr class="p_atable"> <td class="p_atxt_td p_atxt">It was a draw</td><td class="p_arow">
8%</td><td class="p_vote_count p_atxt">42,471</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

Note on Poll Results
Total Votes: 502,876
 
I see. I'm waiting for someone to tell me that Democrats don't use AOL.
 
Denny Crane said:
I see. I'm waiting for someone to tell me that Democrats don't use AOL.
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-Pop
 
I take that back. AOL looks really cool from that ad. I think I'm going to plug in my modem and give it a try!
 
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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/3/43222/8057/718/618653
Thought this was good for a chuckle.
 
Денг Гордон said:
He got in some feud with Olbermann (which didn't make too much sense to me, since Olbermann is in New York, and Matthews is in the Washington D.C. studio for the most part), and took a like 1 1/2 month vacation away from Olbermann, and ever since he's gotten back from that, he's been downright terrible.

And Matthews used to work for Tip O'neill, did anyone think he wasn't biased?
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He got into it with Keith Olbermann because KO is an imperious, insufferable jackhole. Chris Matthews definitely has his biases, but he's always been pretty fair-minded. In that sense, he followed Tim Russert's model. However, his anger with the current administration is so palpable (he voted for then-Gov. Bush in 2000) and he has his rules (that when things are bad, you throw the party-in-power out of the WH) that he doesn't give the McCain campaign a fair shake.

And worse than working for Tip O'Neill, he was the author of the "malaise" speech for Jimmy Carter. In fact, I'm convinced that it's his latent anger of having everything wrong with the country in 1980 hung around his boss' neck that drives him to drop any facade of impartiality and shake the pom-poms for Obama. He thinks that anyone with an "R" after his or her name needs to be chucked.

As an aside, does anyone else think that NBC's political coverage has become untethered without Tim Russert? It really seems as there's no one reminding them what fairness is.
 
maxiep said:
Was Kitty Kay performing the analysis? What was her take?
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Pretty much that both did well, perhaps a slight edge to Biden overall but in retrospect to the expectations, big win for Palin. Not sure if it was kitty kay...they had two french people talking about it afterwards too
 
maxiep said:
He got into it with Keith Olbermann because KO is an imperious, insufferable jackhole. Chris Matthews definitely has his biases, but he's always been pretty fair-minded. In that sense, he followed Tim Russert's model. However, his anger with the current administration is so palpable (he voted for then-Gov. Bush in 2000) and he has his rules (that when things are bad, you throw the party-in-power out of the WH) that he doesn't give the McCain campaign a fair shake.

And worse than working for Tip O'Neill, he was the author of the "malaise" speech for Jimmy Carter. In fact, I'm convinced that it's his latent anger of having everything wrong with the country in 1980 hung around his boss' neck that drives him to drop any facade of impartiality and shake the pom-poms for Obama. He thinks that anyone with an "R" after his or her name needs to be chucked.

As an aside, does anyone else think that NBC's political coverage has become untethered without Tim Russert? It really seems as there's no one reminding them what fairness is.
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Pretty much everything besides Countdown is crap on MSNBC now.
 
If everything on MSNBC is crap, Countdown is the worst diarrhea imaginable.
 
I thought this was a fun article.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1844162,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics&iref=werecommend

Though it sounds secretive and glamorous, debate prep is magnificently unpleasant for everybody involved. The candidates have gripped and grinned their way through a savage jungle of fund raisers, powerful local idiots, soggy state-fair corn dogs and rabid, preening reporters just to get to the debates, a dangerous pinnacle where one slipup could cost the election. The campaign staffs are equally exhausted and by now more than a little frustrated with the candidate they have come to both love and hate. Put them all in a room together in what are often poorly planned prep sessions, and you have the perfect recipe for disaster: the staffers discover great catharsis in firing increasingly nasty "prep" questions at the candidates, who in turn become more and more itchy under fire until finally exploding with a gusher of recriminations at their staffs for failing to prepare them for so many impossible questions.

Good debate prep is designed to build up, not tear down, the candidate's confidence. The first trick is to practice with a stand-in who has memorized the opposing candidate's likely answers. This is far easier than it sounds. One of the best-kept secrets of politics is that there are only about 20 "typical" questions. Odds are that one's esteemed opponent has publicly answered every imaginable policy question by the time the debate finally occurs. It is vital that your candidate not hear your opponent's answers for the first time onstage, since that will often lead to panic if a candidate feels the opponent's answer is far better than his or her own. Hmmm. Great answer. I've got nothing like that. I'm a loser. I'm going to lose this debate. In high school, Belinda would have wanted to go to the prom with him, not me. Anger. MUST ... ATTACK ... NOW!!! At that point something very bad usually happens.

A lot of debate prep is given over to mastering another basic rule: never make the rookie's mistake of actually trying to answer the question you are asked. Candidates are told instead to quickly "pivot" into their central campaign message whenever possible.

Question: "Governor, why is your hair on fire?"

Answer: "Nobody understands fire better than America's brave firefighters, which is why I'm so proud to say that the heroes who make up the National Firefighters Association took one look at my 11-point plan for comprehensive national health-care reform and strongly endorsed me as the only candidate in this race who is standing up for working, middle-class families who need health care now." Also, always keep talking until the moderator is forced to stop you with a foghorn blast or by reaching for an elephant gun under the desk. Airtime is gold.

Consultants have spent the equivalent of entire geologic ages trying to come up with the one item every candidate deeply pines for: the devastating one-liner. To be really devastating, the line must appear to be true, clever and, especially, spontaneous. So teams of moonlighting Hollywood comedy writers have been churning out ideas for weeks. The classic of the genre is Ronald Reagan's retort to Jimmy Carter in 1980: "There you go again." But nothing is worse than an overlabored gotcha line that falls horribly flat, so spin doctors must first do no harm. Part of this is to gently persuade the candidates to be totally relaxed and natural while simultaneously being very careful not to really be themselves. When Joe Biden squares off against Sarah Palin on Oct. 2, Biden must be cautioned to avoid his powerful urge to bring a laminated copy of his sat scorecard to the podium or to toss any well-meaning compliments at his opponent that include the word gams. It's probably a good idea to strip him of his beloved 4-lb. cuff links before he launches into any working-class-hero stuff as well. Palin should leave the overcooked hockey metaphors in the penalty box, lest we hear some clunker about the "puck" of reform smashing through the good-ol'-boy goalies of D.C.'s terrible status quo. And both will need to avoid the unintended subtext blunder (see "pig, lipstick on").

Finally, the savvy viewer should remember that any moment that looks too perfect to be true probably isn't. I once worked on a campaign in which we made a big show of opening our secret debate-prep session to reporters. The highlight was the part when the candidate dramatically rejected the lame, scripted debate answers we staffers had offered up, vowing instead to just tell it like it was.

We were very proud of our candidate; that was precisely the bit we had carefully rehearsed.
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We talked a little about those graphs on the CNN screen during the debate.

Both sides practiced and had at least one focus group similar to the crowd running those CNN graphs. Stuff that worked with the focus groups, they tried to say during the debate.
 
"My friend John McCain voted 422 times against tax cuts for the middle classes. Let me repeat that so the American people are clear on this. My friend John McCain voted 673 times against tax cuts for the middle classes."
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:lol:
 
SodaPopinski said:
Fixed your post. Dude - noboby with any objectivity thinks Palin won the debate. She did fine, but Biden - as expected - debated better.

But Palin did what she was supposed to do. She didn't fuck up, and she kept bringing the focus back to McCain.

The problem for the Republicans is that they need a game-changer at this point because they are lagging big-time in the polls, and Palin isn't going to do anything but appeal the people that were already voting for McCain anyway.

-Pop
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Wrong, and Biden's many, many lies in the debate pretty much disqualify him. I loved his "West Bank" commentary. Um, Gaza, Joe?

Also, please stop editing my posts.
 
When Regular Joe Six-Pack Bluecollar Biden tried to match her on the Main Street cred, it rang slightly wacky. "Look," he said, "All you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie's Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me, where I spend a lot of time." Why? Is he moonlighting as a checkout clerk on the evening shift? Or is he stalking that nice lady in Lighting Fixtures? As for Katie's Restaurant, ah, I'm sure it was grand but apparently it closed in 1990.
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:lol: :crazy:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/joe-drill-palin-2178636-mccain-biden
 
Here are 14 lies by Joe Biden last night:

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.


2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.


3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”


4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.


5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.


6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.


7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false


8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.


9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.


10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.


11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.


12. TAX INCREASES : Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.


13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”


14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/bidens_big_lies_all_14_of_them.html
 
Biden can sure draw a huge audience!

Democrats don't want to know these things:

<tt>
TOTALS

ABC 13,130,000
NBC 12,820,000
CBS 11,100,000
FOXNEWS 11,098,000
CNN 10,685,000
FOX 4,500,000
MSNBC 4,412,000 </tt>
 
Denny Crane said:
Biden can sure draw a huge audience!

Democrats don't want to know these things:

<tt>
TOTALS

ABC 13,130,000
NBC 12,820,000
CBS 11,100,000
FOXNEWS 11,098,000
CNN 10,685,000
FOX 4,500,000
MSNBC 4,412,000 </tt>
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No PBS? I watched their grainy "HD" broadcast and the analysis that followed. It made the McNeill-Lehrer Report look like Jerry Springer.
 
speeds said:
No PBS? I watched their grainy "HD" broadcast and the analysis that followed. It made the McNeill-Lehrer Report look like Jerry Springer.
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PBS did 3M or less, I remember reading.
 
Denny Crane said:
Biden can sure draw a huge audience!

Democrats don't want to know these things:

<tt>
TOTALS

ABC 13,130,000
NBC 12,820,000
CBS 11,100,000
FOXNEWS 11,098,000
CNN 10,685,000
FOX 4,500,000
MSNBC 4,412,000 </tt>
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Good, all these people watched how amazing Palin was and it's going to start showing in the latest polls, right?
 
44Thrilla said:
Good, all these people watched how amazing Palin was and it's going to start showing in the latest polls, right?
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Is the election today?

Only in Ohio, where they're doing very illegal things to help Obama.
 
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