Palin blasts Fey, Couric, and media bias

[julius]

They probably have a case. I've never seen a candidate receive so much love and adulation before they've even set foot in office. They're selling commemorative Obama coins for pete's sake. Commemorative of WHAT??? What has he done? Obama might end up a good President, I'm not saying he won't, but let the guy work before you decide he's a great President. Some people sound like they would already start chiseling his face on Mt. Rushmore.

Do not confuse selling coins with "love and adulation".

That is just someone who see's idiots out there who buy crap that is painted on coins, thinking that it's worth anything more than the face value of the coin.

 

[Natebishop3]

Seems like you are arguing against yourself - first you say Obama is a creation of the media, and now you say that your peeps don't pay attention to the media and they love Obama.

barfo

No, you're right. I guess I was thinking in terms of the grand scheme of things. Media, not just as journalism, but as entertainment as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

Do not confuse selling coins with "love and adulation".

That is just someone who see's idiots out there who buy crap that is painted on coins, thinking that it's worth anything more than the face value of the coin.

But it seems indicative of the hype surrounding Obama.

 

[julius]

But it seems indicative of the hype surrounding Obama.

It's no different than the coins that people bought for 9-11, George Bush (during his presidency) and Ronald Reagan.

Stupid people (and it's a very small %) buy stupid shit.

If you were able to sell 50,000 "Obama Dollars" for 15 bucks each, you're making a good turnover. But it doesn't mean anything for your point.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's no different than the coins that people bought for 9-11, George Bush (during his presidency) and Ronald Reagan.

Stupid people (and it's a very small %) buy stupid shit.

If you were able to sell 50,000 "Obama Dollars" for 15 bucks each, you're making a good turnover. But it doesn't mean anything for your point.

The difference between everything you just listed and Barrack Obama, they were marketed during or after the fact. You didn't see George Bush or Ronald Reagan coins before their presidency. During or after, yes, but not before. I think this is indicative of his hype and completely supports my point.

 

[Denny Crane]

Seems like you are arguing against yourself - first you say Obama is a creation of the media, and now you say that your peeps don't pay attention to the media and they love Obama.

barfo

I think his point is that people are relying on Jay Leno for advice on who to vote for instead of relying on actual investigative journalists.

Obama was given a pass by the journalists and the fantasyland hollywood types heaped nothing but praise on him.

 

[Real]

break out the tiny violins. You aren't going to convince many that Rush, Bill and the hoards of right wing talk show hosts would have taken the high road... you do remember O'Rielly on Jamie Lynn Spears pregnancy a month earlier right?

STOMP

Apples and oranges. There is a difference between Jamie Lynn Spears, who decided to live a public life and the consequences that went with it, and Bristol Palin, who was bought into the national spotlight because she was Sarah's daughter.

 

[STOMP]

They probably have a case. I've never seen a candidate receive so much love and adulation before they've even set foot in office. They're selling commemorative Obama coins for pete's sake. Commemorative of WHAT??? What has he done? Obama might end up a good President, I'm not saying he won't, but let the guy work before you decide he's a great President. Some people sound like they would already start chiseling his face on Mt. Rushmore.

he's become President of the USA. They sold commemorative coins of W when he was "elected" for the same reason they're commemorating Barak... to make money off an event that a great number of consumers care about.

STOMP

 

[julius]

The difference between everything you just listed and Barrack Obama, they were marketed during or after the fact. You didn't see George Bush or Ronald Reagan coins before their presidency. During or after, yes, but not before. I think this is indicative of his hype and completely supports my point.

If they could have done it before their presidencies, they would've.

Hell, there are people who honestly wanted to put Reagans mug on Mt Rushmore.

woops

and another


*how long before people catch these are meant to be jokes?

although this one wasn't

[video=youtube;PWidy9e-oJ0]

granted, it was in March of 2002, but it's no different. People saw a niche market, and tried to con people into buying crap.

 

[Natebishop3]

he's become President of the USA. They sold commemorative coins of W when he was "elected" for the same reason they're commemorating Barak... to make money off an event that a great number of consumers care about.

STOMP

Really? The first time? I don't remember that. If they did, I stand corrected.

 

[barfo]

Apples and oranges. There is a difference between Jamie Lynn Spears, who decided to live a public life and the consequences that went with it, and Bristol Palin, who was bought into the national spotlight because she was Sarah's daughter.

Apparently her mom was more interested in running for office than protecting Bristol's privacy. If Bristol's mom thought it was fine to put her pregnant teenage daughter on stage (literally), it's hard to blame anyone else for it.

barfo

 

[drexlersdad]

The difference between everything you just listed and Barrack Obama, they were marketed during or after the fact. You didn't see George Bush or Ronald Reagan coins before their presidency. During or after, yes, but not before. I think this is indicative of his hype and completely supports my point.

were they? as far as i can remember, every time a president is elected, they capitalize on it with stupid damn coins/plates/etc.

i disagree with you that they did not have that crap for anyone else but obama and ask you to prove it if it in reality "completely supports your point".

even if true you also didnt see alot of things in 1979 or 1987 compared with today. like the internet.

 

[barfo]

I think his point is that people are relying on Jay Leno for advice on who to vote for instead of relying on actual investigative journalists.

Obama was given a pass by the journalists and the fantasyland hollywood types heaped nothing but praise on him.

Well, if people don't pay attention to journalists anyway, then even if it were true (it isn't) that journalists gave Obama a pass, it wouldn't matter.

And fantasyland hollywood types aren't under any obligation whatsoever to be unbiased. So I don't see what the complaint there could be. If people rely on them for their political news, oh well. It's probably not really any worse than relying on right-wing websites or what Joe Bob said down at the bowling alley or whatever. A certain fraction of people are going to believe uncritically whatever they hear.

Maybe the democrats did reach such voters more successfully than the republicans this election cycle. If so, congratulations to them, and I guess the republicans will have to try harder next time.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Well, if people don't pay attention to journalists anyway, then even if it were true (it isn't) that journalists gave Obama a pass, it wouldn't matter.

The demise of the newspaper industry is well documented. The rise of the blogosphere is well documented as well. The bloggers are more the source of the worst imitation of journalism than anything else...

And fantasyland hollywood types aren't under any obligation whatsoever to be unbiased. So I don't see what the complaint there could be. If people rely on them for their political news, oh well. It's probably not really any worse than relying on right-wing websites or what Joe Bob said down at the bowling alley or whatever. A certain fraction of people are going to believe uncritically whatever they hear.

No, they're under no obligation to be unbiased. Their work is out there in the public record for all to see, and it consists of pro-socialist and anti-American themes. Like the slew of movies (Rendition, for one) released to influence public opinion during the election. Or Ted Turner (owned CNN and TNT) showing The American President back-to-back for days on end during Clinton's impeachment trial.

It's one thing to be biased, it's another to spend $100s of millions outside the campaign finance laws to support a candidate. And I have equally the same issue with Rush Limbaugh's radio show being a 3-hour per day commercial for Republicans during the elections.

If you think Hollywood is making these movies for profit, think again. The movies all bombed, but the trailers were shown on TV and were as effective as any political ad. And if they really were about profit, they'd be making G rated movies, as those are the most profitable.

Maybe the democrats did reach such voters more successfully than the republicans this election cycle. If so, congratulations to them, and I guess the republicans will have to try harder next time.

barfo

Maybe. Maybe republicans just didn't turn out in their normal numbers because they were fed up with elected republicans' massive increases and lack of focus on illegal immigration.

 

[Real]

Apparently her mom was more interested in running for office than protecting Bristol's privacy. If Bristol's mom thought it was fine to put her pregnant teenage daughter on stage (literally), it's hard to blame anyone else for it.

barfo

If you want to criticize Sarah Palin for being a bad mother, that's another debate.

I could accuse guys like Bill Clinton for being a bad parent for knowingly engaging in an affair with another woman knowing there was a chance it could get out, but it'd be pointless.

 

[Real]

Maybe. Maybe republicans just didn't turn out in their normal numbers because they were fed up with elected republicans' massive increases and lack of focus on illegal immigration.

I think it's both, among other reasons.

 

[Drink Your Milkshake]

She has an excellent point.

How would you feel if your kids were insulted on SNL after Obama said that families were off limits?

I failed to pick up on that double standard until she mentioned it.

It's not a double standard. You just fell for a standard GOP mind trick. Obama said families are off limits, how does what SNL writers come up with have to do with Obama?

 

[STOMP]

Really? The first time? I don't remember that. If they did, I stand corrected.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value=""></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

STOMP