Palin breaks with McCain on gay marriage amendment

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#1_War_Poet_ForLife said:
If a woman wants to marry a woman, then they're married. They aren't civilly unionized. They are married.
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No, they're not. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Two women agreeing to "marry" does not make it a marriage.
 
Re: Palin bends McCain over and has a gay old time with him

Chutney said:
Hurray for a national issue based entirely on semantics.
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As the Presidential Candidate of the newly-formed Semantic Party, I welcome, solicit, greet, receive, wish for, seek out, mine, cherish, desire your votes.

I am sure we can agree on specifics after I am elected.
 
Denny Crane said:
Common Law Marriage by definition is two people living together as married; there's all kinds of common laws regarding it. Seems to me that gay couples have been living together as married all along.
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Actually I'm pretty sure that common law is an option that comes up when two people have been living together for a long time. And no it does not apply to gay couples. If it did then two straight males (or females) who live together for years because they are great friends would be able to receive the same tax and medical benefits that common law marriage provides.

I'm surprised that we are focusing on so much on the issue of marriage in this thread. Anybody else find it interesting that Palin broke with McCain on such an important issue?
 
Xericx said:
Yes. And those that don't respect their viewpoints and see them as "small-minded" are just as guilty.
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Hardly.

Recognizing mental retardation in others does not make one a retard.

Xericx said:
Their viewpoints are deeply rooted in the way they are brought up and their own personal moral code and they are able to think that way.
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They question nothing and blindly think as they are told. They avoid education and shun new ideas presented to them.

They have no personal moral code, they have had one assigned to them. They avoid personal responsibility by saying it's God's will. I find them reprehensible as human beings.

Seriously, it takes a very inactive mind to swallow the nonsense that is spewed in support of the many religious beliefs nowadays, and Christianity is one of the most absurd religions there is.

I really can't take anything said by a "religious" person without observing "this person actually believes in mythical beings and other nonsense".

It's 2008, not 208.
 
I am against gay marriage, but I say let the people decide. Put it to vote, then put it to rest.
 
MARIS61 said:
Hardly.
They question nothing and blindly think as they are told. They avoid education and shun new ideas presented to them.

They have no personal moral code, they have had one assigned to them. They avoid personal responsibility by saying it's God's will. I find them reprehensible as human beings.

Seriously, it takes a very inactive mind to swallow the nonsense that is spewed in support of the many religious beliefs nowadays, and Christianity is one of the most absurd religions there is.



I really can't take anything said by a "religious" person without observing "this person actually believes in mythical beings and other nonsense".

It's 2008, not 208.
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Their personal moral code is as developed as anyone else's. The problem is that you have a personal problem with them. They do nothing to you, but you find them reprehensible as human beings.
 
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Since when does tolerance mean you have to think highly of someone? I think we all tolerate idiocy.
 
Xericx said:
Their personal moral code is as developed as anyone else's. The problem is that you have a personal problem with them. They do nothing to you, but you find them reprehensible as human beings.
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No it isn't.

They isolate themselves from most segments of society, have no interest in society in general, only their little cults.

And yet they demand the right to tell all others what they can and cannot do.

Gutless, useless, stupid cowards. Each and every one of them.

I blame them for most of the world's problems.
 
Chutney said:
Since when does tolerance mean you have to think highly of someone? I think we all tolerate idiocy.
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He's making the same hateful snap judgments that he accuses religious types of. Its very very typical nowadays with the "bible belters". Again, he's likely being fed this by some liberal media somewhere.
 
MARIS61 said:
No it isn't. They isolate themselves from most segments of society, have no interest in society in general, only their little cults. And yet they demand the right to tell all others what they can and cannot do. Gutless, useless, stupid cowards. Each and every one of them. I blame them for most of the world's problems.
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And you're certainly free to do so. However, I don't see how the isolate themselves from most segments of society.

They are free to tell others what they can and can't do. You do the same thing. So do most people.

How are they to blame for most of the world's problems?
 
Xericx said:
I disagree.

I don't think there should be such a thing as "two husbands" or "two wives" in a marriage. Again, that is just semantics for me.
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I was talking about preserving rights, not preserving comfort with terms.
 
Xericx said:
They do nothing to you
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They do something to others. They try to restrict the rights of homosexuals.

The people who are doing nothing to others are homosexuals who want to marry.
 
If I was a gay person, I wouldn't care what the hell they call it as long as I get the same rights that heterosexuals get.
 
Xericx said:
What are the "rights" you are referring to specifically?
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Personal autonomy. The rights of homosexual couples to marry and the rights of churches to decide who they perform religious ceremonies for.
 
Minstrel said:
They do something to others. They try to restrict the rights of homosexuals.

The people who are doing nothing to others are homosexuals who want to marry.
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Again, they believe, as many do that two men or two women shouldn't be able to get married nor should it be normalized within society as a whole. There's nothing wrong with that. Its their opinion. Not everyone has to agree nor do they have the same moral compass.
 
Xericx said:
And you're certainly free to do so. However, I don't see how the isolate themselves from most segments of society.
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Maybe you're too young to see it. They hang with their own, almost exclusively, mostly out of fear.

Xericx said:
They are free to tell others what they can and can't do. You do the same thing. So do most people.
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No, I don't.

Xericx said:
How are they to blame for most of the world's problems?
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You've got to be kidding me. Pick up a history book sometime!
 
Minstrel said:
Personal autonomy. The rights of homosexual couples to marry and the rights of churches to decide who they perform religious ceremonies for.
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Everyone can claim some rights they should have. I don't agree that homosexuals should be able to get married, personally.

All four of the presidential and vice presidential candidates agree with me. What's the difference between the four of them and these "lowly religious bible thumpers?"
 
Xericx said:
Again, they believe, as many do that two men or two women shouldn't be able to get married nor should it be normalized within society as a whole. There's nothing wrong with that. Its their opinion.
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I agree. There's nothing wrong with believing that. Everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs.

What's wrong is enforcing that belief upon others, as a matter of policy.

Not everyone has to agree nor do they have the same moral compass.
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Absolutely. Which is why gay marriage shouldn't be illegal. We don't all need to have the same moral compass, so just because some/many believe gay marriage is wrong doesn't mean no one should be allowed to.
 
Xericx said:
Again, they believe, as many do that two men or two women shouldn't be able to get married nor should it be normalized within society as a whole. There's nothing wrong with that. Its their opinion. Not everyone has to agree nor do they have the same moral compass.
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So there's nothing wrong with racism, sexism, child pornography, cruelty to animals...???? :dunno:

"Not everyone has to agree nor do they have the same moral compass."

They are bigots, using their "religion" as some sort of magical excuse for their bigotry.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 
MARIS61 said:
So there's nothing wrong with racism, sexism, child pornography, cruelty to animals...???? :dunno:

"Not everyone has to agree nor do they have the same moral compass."

They are bigots, using their "religion" as some sort of magical excuse for their bigotry.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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What bigotry are you referring to? Opposing gay marriage is not bigotry.
 
Xericx said:
I don't agree that homosexuals should be able to get married, personally.
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That shouldn't be a problem for you, unless you are a homosexual, because you have NO RIGHT to tell them they can't.
 
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