Palins email hacked

[maxiep]

All that may be true. But a legislative committee comprised of 4 dem and 10 repubs looked over all the evidence and disagreed with your analysis that this is a cut and dry matter and instead decided there should be an investigation. I'm guessing they no more than you and I about the real evidence.

Hmm, let's see. Three of the four democrats have been on Obama's Alaska team from the get-go and Palin made her bones by challenging the corruption of her own party. You don't think there are folks in the legislature in her own party who wouldn't mind knocking her down a peg?

You're a rational poster, how can you be so convinced she did nothing wrong when her own state representatives who have studied this issue and have evidence we aren't privy to, bi-partisianship committee, isn't convinced and orders an investiation.

My point is I don't think she did anything wrong, because I believe she has the right to hire and fire at her will.

So you may say the "if" doesn't matter, but that "if" is exactly what they are investigating. If she didn't do anything wrong, well I would hope that is what the investigation will reveal. If she did do something wrong, well to quote her, she should be held accountable.

"If" we have an investigation for every "if" regarding the firing of a state employee, the government would come to a standstill.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

She crossed the street but not in the middle of a crosswalk!

Dammit, I demand an investigation. In fact, if she's actually guilty, let's get a rope and hang her!

But seriously, we should investigate because I really want to see her name cleared.

(Pardon the parody)

DC, how many Alaskan governors do you know that have been investigated?

Doesn't quite happen as often as for say . . . walking acorss the street in the middle, does it. But sure, you want to say the allegation of firing someone because they wouldn't fire someone else due to an ugly divorce is the same as jaywalking . . . well I'm jsut glad congress disagrees with you.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Hmm, let's see. Three of the four democrats have been on Obama's Alaska team from the get-go and Palin made her bones by challenging the corruption of her own party. You don't think there are folks in the legislature in her own party who wouldn't mind knocking her down a peg?



My point is I don't think she did anything wrong, because I believe she has the right to hire and fire at her will.



"If" we have an investigation for every "if" regarding the firing of a state employee, the government would come to a standstill.

And we don't, which is why this is somewhat of a big deal.

You want to write this off as one big conspiracy against Palin before she was ever announced as VP, well I think Yega would agree. : )

So you don't think she did anything wrong? You never answered my question, what if she fire Monegan and at the heart of it was because of a divorce.

 

[maxiep]

DC, how many Alaskan governors do you know that have been investigated?

Doesn't quite happen as often as for say . . . walking acorss the street in the middle, does it. But sure, you want to say the allegation of firing someone because they wouldn't fire someone else due to an ugly divorce is the same as jaywalking . . . well I'm jsut glad congress disagrees with you.

I think I've responded to this idea before, but you may want to google "Frank Murkowski". Alaskan politics are every bit as dirty as those in Chicago. The difference is that Palin bucked the machine while Obama went along with it.

 

[Denny Crane]

DC, how many Alaskan governors do you know that have been investigated?

Doesn't quite happen as often as for say . . . walking acorss the street in the middle, does it. But sure, you want to say the allegation of firing someone because they wouldn't fire someone else due to an ugly divorce is the same as jaywalking . . . well I'm jsut glad congress disagrees with you.

I assume very few things. Among those are that she's innocent until proven guilty (I find many people find her guilty until proven innocent), and that govt. conducts bazillions of investigations into itself at all levels.

The ALLEGATION is of no crime at all, even if the worst claimed about the situation is true.

I don't see why anyone would care if she fired either or both of these guys, except the police union and pro Obama forces that can make a lot of smoke out of not much fire.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think I've responded to this idea before, but you may want to google "Frank Murkowski". Alaskan politics are every bit as dirty as those in Chicago. The difference is that Palin bucked the machine while Obama went along with it.

Great so chalk up Pailin's name right next to Murkowski and state reprentatives that are bing investiagted.

Nice crowd.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I assume very few things. Among those are that she's innocent until proven guilty (I find many people find her guilty until proven innocent), and that govt. conducts bazillions of investigations into itself at all levels.

The ALLEGATION is of no crime at all, even if the worst claimed about the situation is true.

I don't see why anyone would care if she fired either or both of these guys, except the police union and pro Obama forces that can make a lot of smoke out of not much fire.

Well apparently congress cares . . . but who are they really?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I assume very few things. Among those are that she's innocent until proven guilty (I find many people find her guilty until proven innocent),

So Kobe is innocent.

 

[Denny Crane]

Well apparently congress cares . . . but who they really?

Congress cares about wielding power over the governor if she won't go along, period.

There's a bigger question here than the investigation into this trivial matter. The state there has a specific agency to investigate these things, specifically to appoint special investigators, and congress is doing an end around that agency.

 

[Denny Crane]

So Kobe is innocent.

If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!

Don't even get me started on OJ . . .

 

[Denny Crane]

I served on a jury here last year. The case was a lawsuit between a family of a crippled girl and Chrysler over faulty brakes. Chrysler won, hands down, FWIW.

While the case was going on, they were selecting the jury for OJ and for the guy who shot (sniper style) a judge in northern Nevada. If my number was picked a week later, I might have made one of those juries.

Needless to say, outside the courthouse was a zoo that 2nd week.

 

[Dumpy]

I served on a jury here last year. The case was a lawsuit between a family of a crippled girl and Chrysler over faulty brakes. Chrysler won, hands down, FWIW.

While the case was going on, they were selecting the jury for OJ and for the guy who shot (sniper style) a judge in northern Nevada. If my number was picked a week later, I might have made one of those juries.

Needless to say, outside the courthouse was a zoo that 2nd week.

good for you, serving on a jury is one of the greatest responsibilities of citizens of this country. Too many people try to weasel out.

 

[Denny Crane]

good for you, serving on a jury is one of the greatest responsibilities of citizens of this country. Too many people try to weasel out.

I absolutely did not try to weasel out. I did act like an asshole during voir dire, but they took me anyway

 

[maxiep]

Great so chalk up Pailin's name right next to Murkowski and state reprentatives that are bing investiagted.

Nice crowd.

Actually, Palin was a whistle-blower on her own party. In that sense, she betrayed Murkowski, but you're intent on defending Obama and politically motivated members of the legislature at all costs.

 

[maxiep]

So Kobe is innocent.

If you say so. You should see that house his money bought for that girl in Avon--it's pretty nice.

 

[Dumpy]

I absolutely did not try to weasel out. I did act like an asshole during voir dire, but they took me anyway

People try to weasel out until they themselves have filed a suit against someone, and need a jury to hear and judge their claims. Then, it isn't so fun to hear all the excuses that people come up with.

 

[Denny Crane]

People try to weasel out until they themselves have filed a suit against someone, and need a jury to hear and judge their claims. Then, it isn't so fun to hear all the excuses that people come up with.

From what I saw, trying to weasel out didn't do anyone any good. They just put you back on the list to be called again within 90 days here. And most of the people who tried to claim hardship were denied.

I do see it as a civic duty.

I think they paid me $400 in cash at the end of the trial for my 2+ weeks service.

The case and the process itself were fascinating. Those of us on the jury became close friends, too, and we've met periodically for a dinner somewhere to catch up on things. The bailiff was our only contact with the court for the 2 weeks, and he was ultra cool.

I learned more about the inner workings of brake systems than I probably would have in auto class

Chrysler clearly had the best lawyers money could buy and a budget plenty big for expert witnesses. I don't think that won the case for them tho. Every one of us on the jury concluded that someone had put transmission fluid in the brake reservior, which royally screwed up the entire brake system - not Chrysler's fault on a 10+ year old car with 100,000+ miles on it.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Actually, Palin was a whistle-blower on her own party. In that sense, she betrayed Murkowski, but you're intent on defending Obama and politically motivated members of the legislature at all costs.

That is the irony of Palin . . . she is a whistle-blower but then she doesn't play by the book.

Could you please show me one post in this entire thread where I am defending Obama?????

So the decision to investigate Palin is all politically motivated, even though it the decision happened before the VP pick and it was a bi-partisian decision. Everyone is out to get Palin . . . that's it.

You haven't conceeded at all that there may even be a slight possibility this was a vindictive move by Palin . . . not even possible. Exactly who is defending who at all costs?

 

[maxiep]

That is the irony of Palin . . . she is a whistle-blower but then she doesn't play by the book.

The book sucks. It's time for a new book.

Could you please show me one post in this entire thread where I am defending Obama?????

It doesn't have to be in this thread. You know and I know if this were the Democratic Party VP, your position would be 180 degrees. I happen to think she's completely unqualified to be the Vice President, but this investigation is a side show.

So the decision to investigate Palin is all politically motivated, even though it the decision happened before the VP pick and it was a bi-partisian decision. Everyone is out to get Palin . . . that's it.

First, Alaska has politics too. Second, the investigation went from the back burner on simmer to the wok burner on full blast once the Obama campaign got involved in getting their supporters to push it front-and-center.

You haven't conceeded at all that there may even be a slight possibility this was a vindictive move by Palin . . . not even possible. Exactly who is defending who at all costs?

No, I've conceded it. But my larger point is that I don't care. She's a boss and to accomplish her goals she needs to have the latitude to hire and fire at her will.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The book sucks. It's time for a new book.



It doesn't have to be in this thread. You know and I know if this were the Democratic Party VP, your position would be 180 degrees. I happen to think she's completely unqualified to be the Vice President, but this investigation is a side show.



First, Alaska has politics too. Second, the investigation went from the back burner on simmer to the wok burner on full blast once the Obama campaign got involved in getting their supporters to push it front-and-center.



No, I've conceded it. But my larger point is that I don't care. She's a boss and to accomplish her goals she needs to have the latitude to hire and fire at her will.

I don't know if you remember, but I was critical of Obama's relationship with the pastor, so I'm not sure where you are coming from on "if this was Obama's VP."

But I think this is just a matter of you don't care why Palin fired someone and think it is a big deal. So I'm starting to see your position, it is just wrong. : )

To qoute a great philisophical political analyst, spiderman's uncle said it is how you use your power that will determine greatness . . . or something like that.

 

[maxiep]

To qoute a great philisophical political analyst, spiderman's uncle said it is how you use your power that will determine greatness . . . or something like that.

"With great power comes great responsibility."

--Uncle Ben Parker (not the rice guy)

 

[The_Lillard_King]

"With great power comes great responsibility."

--Uncle Ben Parker (not the rice guy)

Always one upping me maxiep, alright I give . . . . for now.

 

[maxiep]

Always one upping me maxiep, alright I give . . . . for now.

You knew the sentiment, you just didn't have the quote down exactly. I was just passing it on so you could quote it in the future.

 

[maxiep]

Here's a follow-up on the news story. It doesn't appear to be a far-reaching conspiracy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_el_pr/palin_hacked

 

[MARIS61]

yeah, but there's been a serious witch hunt ever since Palin was announced as the VP candidate. I've never seen either party go after a VP this hard before. It blows me away. We're not voting for Palin, we're voting for McCain or Obama. I haven't heard anything about Bidin at all. It's like he's completely inconsequential to this whole thing.

If she would face the press as every single VP candidate has before her, there would be no need to hunt.

Her incompetence would be glaringly apparent and they would replace her with a real candidate.

Don't kid yourself, no way can Mccain survive a 4 year gauntlet in the hotseat with the mess Bush has created. He is so old and feeble, he's already showing signs of having infarctions, and likely has vascular dementia already.

We are on the verge of the worst collapse of a nation since the USSR died.

This race is about who will eventually be President, and it's either Obama or Palin.

No one can seriously think she will EVER be able to help our country in that capacity.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

While presidential nominees John McCain and Barack Obama each held press conferences where they addressed the Treasury Department’s $700 billion rescue plan for the financial markets, and Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden continued to make news with his awkward remarks, Palin continued to sidestep the media to an almost unprecedented degree for a national campaign.

Perhaps as a result, Palin’s meetings with foreign leaders Tuesday were nearly marred by stories chronicling her campaign’s brief standoff with reporters over access to her pre-meeting photo ops.

Palin, who has not held a single press conference since McCain announced her as the Republican vice presidential candidate, in the past week has held only one rally on her own, and has ditched her print press contingent to make an ice cream run with her family andto pose for staged photos with foreign leaders.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080924/pl_politico/13823

 

[maxiep]

While presidential nominees John McCain and Barack Obama each held press conferences where they addressed the Treasury Department’s $700 billion rescue plan for the financial markets, and Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden continued to make news with his awkward remarks, Palin continued to sidestep the media to an almost unprecedented degree for a national campaign.

Perhaps as a result, Palin’s meetings with foreign leaders Tuesday were nearly marred by stories chronicling her campaign’s brief standoff with reporters over access to her pre-meeting photo ops.

Palin, who has not held a single press conference since McCain announced her as the Republican vice presidential candidate, in the past week has held only one rally on her own, and has ditched her print press contingent to make an ice cream run with her family andto pose for staged photos with foreign leaders.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080924/pl_politico/13823

What else can the GOP do? She's spectacularly unqualified and has a lot of catching up to do to even sound like she has the faintest idea as to what she's discussing.

Luckily for her, Biden has been giving her a free pass with gaffe after gaffe. Perhaps the Democrats should pursue the same strategy with Sen. Biden as the Republicans have with Gov. Palin.

 

[Denny Crane]

They're investigating something akin to jaywalking. It's just not as big a deal as one side wants to make out of it. In fact, I'm not sure there's any law here broken - it's an ethics investigation. They're probably going to find, if the investigation is fair, that she deserves a slap on the wrist for pushing to get the trooper fired (though he deserved it anyway) and that she had every right to fire Monagan.

Subpoenas aren't required to get people to testify under oath. Testifying under oath isn't required to find the truth, also.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1849399,00.html

What the Troopergate Report Really Says

Friday's report from special investigator Stephen Branchflower to Alaska's Legislative Council answered some basic questions about the political and personal bog known as Troopergate.

Did Governor Sarah Palin abuse the power of her office in trying to get her former brother-in-law, State Trooper Mike Wooten, fired? Yes.

Was the refusal to fire Mike Wooten the reason Palin fired Commissioner of Public Safety Walt Monegan? Not exclusively, and it was within her rights as the states' chief executive to fire him for just about any reason, even without cause.

Those answers were expected, given that most of the best pieces of evidence have been part of the public record for months. The result is not a mortal wound to Palin, nor does it put her at much risk of being forced to leave the ticket her presence succeeded in energizing.

 

[Minstrel]

Those answers were expected, given that most of the best pieces of evidence have been part of the public record for months. The result is not a mortal wound to Palin, nor does it put her at much risk of being forced to leave the ticket her presence succeeded in energizing.

And her presence has since then been enervating.

The novelty of her selection created a big bump immediately (and in conjunction with the standard convention bump)...her favourability numbers have been sinking ever since and the bump in the polls dissipated over the weeks following the RNC.

I would say she's overall been a complete non-factor to this election. This investigation really only affects her, not McCain or the election. Though, at a time when he needs a huge positive game-changer, a "Yes, she abused her power, but she didn't really break any laws" isn't exactly the thing.