Parsons vs Layman

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Layman needs to start ASAP. He better get at least 15 minutes tomorrow
 
BonesJones said:
Start him. For real... We need shooters around Dame and CJ and the only one we have is Crabbe.. For all the talk about Harkless, I haven't seen improvement. Aminu had a fluke year last year and he has been awful this year (and he isn't even that good of defender).

We can't defend teams, so we have to outscore them, which we can't even do if we have bricklayers like Harkless and Aminu on the perimeter. Layman hit more threes in 7 minutes this game then the other two have all season..
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He can't play NBA defense yet.
 
The first thing I noticed about Layman in summer league is that he has light feet. He most with quickness and balance. And he's got a quick release on his shot.
 
Outside of being white and the same size, I don't see this comparison. Parsons is a legit ball handler and play maker.

Layman reminds me of Mirotic. Or Claver with a jumpshot. Either way, give him a look. Why not
 
yuyuza1 said:
Outside of being white and the same size, I don't see this comparison. Parsons is a legit ball handler and play maker.

Layman reminds me of Mirotic. Or Claver with a jumpshot. Either way, give him a look. Why not
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You didnt see Laymen dribble to the hole? Looks like he has some good handles to me. Claver? No way. Layman already looks WAY more athletic. His cuts are way quicker and sharper than Claver ever was.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Outside of being white and the same size, I don't see this comparison. Parsons is a legit ball handler and play maker.

Layman reminds me of Mirotic. Or Claver with a jumpshot. Either way, give him a look. Why not
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He's Kyle Korver if you are looking for white guys to compare him to.
 
SheedSoNasty said:


Here are the highlights in case you're curious.
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It's a shame they were showing that kid shooting shots in Japan during his dunk. Granted, it was in a blow out loss and usually who cares, but it reminded me of how the broadcast used to show replays during the middle of damn plays.
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
He's Kyle Korver if you are looking for white guys to compare him to.
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Nah, Layman is a much better athlete than Korver and brings more to the table than just shooting (which btw will probably never be on Korvers elite level.) Hayward coming out of college had the same body as Layman and some of the same questions (is he too passive? Can he handle the ball, etc)
 
Certainly it was garbage time but there are still some things we can garner from what we saw:
  • Kid can shoot....and this team needs that in the worst way. Right now on offense, it is 2-on-5 because other teams have no respect for Harkless, Aminu or Plumlee. Even when they do score, it is mostly because they are wide-open and finally hit a shot. Playing small doesn't work when 3 of the 5 guys on the floor can't score.
  • Solid basketball IQ for a rookie. He can handle the ball a bit, dropped a pass to a teammate and then immediately relocated to get the ball back for an open shot. Also drove the lane, drew a double-team, took his time and found an open Vonleh for '3'. Any of those previous references happen very infrequently for either Aminu, Harkless or Crabbe.
  • Fundamental shot: Aminu shoots from his shoulder on the side and Harkless is an unsquared up, legs far apart set shot. Only Crabbe of the '3' has what I would call a repeatable shot that is equal to Jake's.
  • Defense? Well, since most of the rest of the team isn't playing defense either, at least he can help spread the floor and make solid basketball decisions on the floor. My fear is much like Stotts wouldn't play CJ which caused a wasted pick to be spent on Afflalo, Stotts won't use him again unless it is a blowout.
 
Scalma said:
Nah, Layman is a much better athlete than Korver and brings more to the table than just shooting (which btw will probably never be on Korvers elite level.) Hayward coming out of college had the same body as Layman and some of the same questions (is he too passive? Can he handle the ball, etc)
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Actually @Mediocre Man had it right. Layman is Larry Bird in skill set(shooting touch and moves on the floor.) only right now but who knows, maybe he becomes Bird in talent too!
 
TBpup said:
Certainly it was garbage time but there are still some things we can garner from what we saw:
  • Kid can shoot....and this team needs that in the worst way. Right now on offense, it is 2-on-5 because other teams have no respect for Harkless, Aminu or Plumlee. Even when they do score, it is mostly because they are wide-open and finally hit a shot. Playing small doesn't work when 3 of the 5 guys on the floor can't score.
  • Solid basketball IQ for a rookie. He can handle the ball a bit, dropped a pass to a teammate and then immediately relocated to get the ball back for an open shot. Also drove the lane, drew a double-team, took his time and found an open Vonleh for '3'. Any of those previous references happen very infrequently for either Aminu, Harkless or Crabbe.
  • Fundamental shot: Aminu shoots from his shoulder on the side and Harkless is an unsquared up, legs far apart set shot. Only Crabbe of the '3' has what I would call a repeatable shot that is equal to Jake's.
  • Defense? Well, since most of the rest of the team isn't playing defense either, at least he can help spread the floor and make solid basketball decisions on the floor. My fear is much like Stotts wouldn't play CJ which caused a wasted pick to be spent on Afflalo, Stotts won't use him again unless it is a blowout.
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It's kinda sad that we didn't fix our starting unit at all. Still dame and CJ against the world.
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
Actually @Mediocre Man had it right. Layman is Larry Bird in skill set(shooting touch and moves on the floor.) only right now but who knows, maybe he becomes Bird in talent too!
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Right now this new kid is only a Tom Chambers but next season as a Rick Barry, I'm confident that with time he'll surpass Bird in the record books.
 
Remember when we talked about rookies needing time to adjust to the extra distance for the NBA 3 point line? And that summer league was too soon to judge? Looks like Jake has adjusted. I am not saying he is ready to start, just that he has an effortless 3 pt shot. Certainly he will have another adjustment period once NBA players start guarding him.....but none the less he has a sweet looking shot....with range.

Oh it also looks like he can shoot it off the dribble, not just a set shot. Huge difference.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Remember when we talked about rookies needing time to adjust to the extra distance for the NBA 3 point line? And that summer league was too soon to judge? Looks like Jake has adjusted. I am not saying he is ready to start, just that he has an effortless 3 pt shot. Certainly he will have another adjustment period once NBA players start guarding him.....but none the less he has a sweet looking shot....with range.

Oh it also looks like he can shoot it off the dribble, not just a set shot. Huge difference.
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This right here.
 
Scalma said:
It's kind of interesting how people on Twitter are kind of treating layman as a joke. I know he probably will never have a 8 minute stretch like that but his talent is for real. Not all white guys are scrubs lol. You can see the difference between him and someone like Meyers or Pat C. He actually looks natural playing the game.
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I didn't see last night's game but I was shocked and awed by Layman in preseason. What I saw of him in preseason was terrible defense and terrific offense. Sounds like he repeated at least the offensive performance last night. The guy can score, that's for sure.
 
All this talk about his penis size has got me wanting him to "Lay Me".
 
One thing I like about Layman's college career, and I mentioned this when we drafted him, he improved all of his shooting percentages every year at Maryland.

FG%
.396
.401
.470
.500

3FG%
.299
.365
.378
.396

FT%
.694
.719
.752
.832

So, even though his per game numbers didn't change much between his sophomore and senior years, his efficiency improved every year. It also shows he was putting in the work necessary to become a better shooter. He's obviously also put in work on his shot since summer league. Yeah, last night was just one game, but I like that he has a proven track record of improving his shooting. This team needs more reliable shooters.

The stagnation of the per game numbers had a lot to do with his teammates, coaching and the system he played in.

BNM
 
Anyone know the origin of his nickname Sunshine?

Pretty ironic for a guy who plays in Portland.

BNM
 
jlprk said:
Right now this new kid is only a Tom Chambers but next season as a Rick Barry, I'm confident that with time he'll surpass Bird in the record books.
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Only a Tom Chambers? Tom as a PF that averaged over 27ppg in his prime. Also, tom made 227 3 pointers in his 17 year nba career. He was more of an inside player. Terrible comparison.
 
It has been mentioned he got shots in garbage time and not sure if he can play defense. My counter to that would be:
  • Aminu and Harkless get wide open shots all the time because of the concentration of the opponent on Dame/CJ. So he doesn't need to create a lot for himself and when he does, he already has a better handle than Aminu, Harkless or Crabbe.
  • Outside of Aminu sometimes and hopefully Ezeli, no one can be granted the 'defensive immunity' card so why not have a guy in there that can hit a shot and is at least a threat. On TB last night, Orlando Williams pointed out how the Warriors were completely sagging off of Aminu and Harkless and 3 Warriors hand they feet in the paint at all times. That makes it even more amazing what Dame is doing. Get him some help.
This team may be deeper but there still isn't a 3rd out there to compliment the two guards and there is an abject void of anything inside of 15' unless it is a laying off of a one-on-one move that beats a defender.
 
Defensively he will get found out a lot in the league at first, I imagine, but offensively he's got the tools to do well. Good shooter, good handles, can dunk, also got size. For a second round pick he might actually turn out quite decent. We got him from Orlando basically so he will probably turn out a steal.
 
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