Part of the protest in Egypt, WTF?!?

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magnifier661 said:
What's laughable is how all these promises our president made during his campaign and nothing substantial came to fruit.

It's laughable that our president told the gay groups that he 100% supports them, yet he won't do anything about the Russia promise to arrest those coming into his country that are gay or support gay rights.

It's laughable that a huge Crisis in Egypt is taking place and he hasn't addressed the nation.
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What do you think we should do about Russia? If you're gay or want to openly support gay rights you need to stay the fuck out of Russia. It's not the threats of arrests that are scary, it's the losers taking the law into their own hands and beating gays or suspected gays over there. So Obama some how forces Putin to say it's okay to be gay? That ain't gonna stop the beatings. Would you feel better if Obama were to let anyone who is gay to immigrate to the USA? That would solve the problem.
 
Denny Crane said:
Perfect.

If anything, pull the plug on transfer of arms to anyone.

Self determination is a wonderful thing.
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This goes against everything Obama promised though. As much as I agree with you, when a president doesn't follow through with his promises; it puts a black eye on our country.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What do you think we should do about Russia? If you're gay or want to openly support gay rights you need to stay the fuck out of Russia. It's not the threats of arrests that are scary, it's the losers taking the law into their own hands and beating gays or suspected gays over there. So Obama some how forces Putin to say it's okay to be gay? That ain't gonna stop the beatings. Would you feel better if Obama were to let anyone who is gay to immigrate to the USA? That would solve the problem.
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Personally I think he shouldn't do a damn thing; but I wasn't the one that promised he would 100% support gay rights. That right needs to protect his citizens traveling overseas.
 
magnifier661 said:
This goes against everything Obama promised though. As much as I agree with you, when a president doesn't follow through with his promises; it puts a black eye on our country.
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Who was the last president that followed through on campaign promises? We got a whole long list of black eyes . . .
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Who was the last president that followed through on campaign promises? We got a whole long list of black eyes . . .
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You're right, but at least follow through with some of them. This president hasn't followed through with any of his promises. Well if you think this broken health care program, then I guess he did one thing.
 
magnifier661 said:
Personally I think he shouldn't do a damn thing; but I wasn't the one that promised he would 100% support gay rights. That right needs to protect his citizens traveling overseas.
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Come on, that's a bit much. Supporting rights is one thing. Protecting every gay traveler world wide is impossible.
 
magnifier661 said:
Unless its the Olympics; which is a world stage.
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It's on the IOC to move the Olympics to a safer country. Even if the USA were to invade Russia and get rid of the anti-gay laws there is no way we could protect gay athletes and fans in that country from the mobs there that are beating and/or killing suspected gay people.
 
magnifier661 said:
Unless its the Olympics; which is a world stage.
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Jimmy Carter had the US boycott the 1980 Olympics due to the Russians invading Afghanistan. It was a joke. The Russkies were there for all of Reagan's two terms afterwards.

The losers in the whole thing were the athletes.

We can learn from history what didn't work.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It's on the IOC to move the Olympics to a safer country. Even if the USA were to invade Russia and get rid of the anti-gay laws there is no way we could protect gay athletes and fans in that country from the mobs there that are beating and/or killing suspected gay people.
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It's not protecting the people from the angry mobs. It's protecting what our president promised. And why did our country sit out in the 80's when the Olympics were in Russia? Wasn't it of protests?
 
Denny Crane said:
Jimmy Carter had the US boycott the 1980 Olympics due to the Russians invading Afghanistan. It was a joke. The Russkies were there for all of Reagan's two terms afterwards.

The losers in the whole thing were the athletes.

We can learn from history what didn't work.
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But that didn't involve our citizens. So what happens if the Russians arrest the gay athletes from America? I know a few announcers that will be arrested too. The sentence is 10 years.
 
magnifier661 said:
But that didn't involve our citizens. So what happens if the Russians arrest the gay athletes from America? I know a few announcers that will be arrested too. The sentence is 10 years.
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Our athletes aren't citizens?
 
Denny Crane said:
Our athletes aren't citizens?
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Read it again. I was replying to your "carter protesting being a bad thing". Referring Afghanistan wasn't about our citizens. Our athletes are exactly our citizens; which holds more weight.
 
magnifier661 said:
It's not protecting the people from the angry mobs. It's protecting what our president promised. And why did our country sit out in the 80's when the Olympics were in Russia? Wasn't it of protests?
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I'm no expert and I honestly haven't followed it as closely as others because I don't have a dog in the fight but hasn't gay rights advanced farther during Obama's time in office then any other president? Seems like there are a lot more states that allow gay marriage. Changes in how the military views homosexuality. I can see where there is still a lot to be done and or changed but we're having a lot more public discussions about gay rights in this country than I can ever recall having.

I'm just not understanding what your complaint is about Obama's promises and the protection of gays at the Olympics in Russia.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I'm no expert and I honestly haven't followed it as closely as others because I don't have a dog in the fight but hasn't gay rights advanced farther during Obama's time in office then any other president? Seems like there are a lot more states that allow gay marriage. Changes in how the military views homosexuality. I can see where there is still a lot to be done and or changed but we're having a lot more public discussions about gay rights in this country than I can ever recall having.

I'm just not understanding what your complaint is about Obama's promises and the protection of gays at the Olympics in Russia.
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The state passes those laws sly.

We may soon find out if Russia arrests some of the commentators and athletes.
 
magnifier661 said:
But that didn't involve our citizens. So what happens if the Russians arrest the gay athletes from America? I know a few announcers that will be arrested too. The sentence is 10 years.
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If you know the laws of a country before going there that's on you if you decide to break them and get arrested for it. If you and your wife go to Dubai, you guys decide to sunbath naked at the beach and then get arrested what do you think the USA should do?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If you know the laws of a country before going there that's on you if you decide to break them and get arrested for it. If you and your wife go to Dubai, you guys decide to sunbath naked at the beach and then get arrested what do you think the USA should do?
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They should show pictures of my naked body and the FEMA group will protest for endangering a whale.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If you know the laws of a country before going there that's on you if you decide to break them and get arrested for it. If you and your wife go to Dubai, you guys decide to sunbath naked at the beach and then get arrested what do you think the USA should do?
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So, if gay athletes go to the Olympics, knowing the law of the land says that they will be arrested, are they asking for it?

Go Blazers
 
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oldguy said:
So, if gay athletes go to the Olympics, knowing the law of the land says that they will be arrested, are they asking for it?

Go Blazers
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Do people who go to other countries to smuggle drugs back to the USA ask to be arrested? No, but they know the risks.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Do people who go to other countries to smuggle drugs back to the USA ask to be arrested? No, but they know the risks.
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This reminds me of a story that happened when I was on business to Malaysia. When you descend into Malaysia, there is a warning that drug deals and smuggling are a capital offense. This means you get no trial and put to death.

Anyway, there were these Australian kids that brought some drugs with them into Malaysia when they were on holiday. They were caught and were sentenced to death. Australia kicked and screamed, but Malaysia still killed them.

End of story
 
magnifier661 said:
This reminds me of a story that happened when I was on business to Malaysia. When you descend into Malaysia, there is a warning that drug deals and smuggling are a capital offense. This means you get no trial and put to death.

Anyway, there were these Australian kids that brought some drugs with them into Malaysia when they were on holiday. They were caught and were sentenced to death. Australia kicked and screamed, but Malaysia still killed them.

End of story
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wow..
 
magnifier661 said:
This reminds me of a story that happened when I was on business to Malaysia. When you descend into Malaysia, there is a warning that drug deals and smuggling are a capital offense. This means you get no trial and put to death.

Anyway, there were these Australian kids that brought some drugs with them into Malaysia when they were on holiday. They were caught and were sentenced to death. Australia kicked and screamed, but Malaysia still killed them.

End of story
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But Australian politicians have made promises not to allow capital punishment. Why are they breaking their promises? Why are they allowing capital punishment? Why didn't they do anything?

Australia sucks!
 
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