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mook said:
His campaign was. His governing wasn't. He got into office and seemed to abandon so many things, and compromising way too easily on others. His speeches have been mostly professorial and couched in compromise. He seems to have done everything he could in the first few years to prevent anyone from calling him an "angry black man." It seems ludicrous now to think back about how tainted he was by the Rev. Wright thing a few years ago. The guy has been a freakin' robot.

Last night was one of the few times he's sounded truly emotional since he got elected. It was nice to hear a politician speak out emotionally for the good things government can do. Haven't heard that from a Democratic president since Bill Clinton (on his better days).
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"I won."

Ah, yes. The Great Compromiser.
 
maxiep said:
"I won."

Ah, yes. The Great Compromiser.
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I agree that there is a strange mythology among Democrats that has been told over the campfire for years now - namely that Obama is a "compromiser". I don't buy it.

The truth is that he tried to force feed major changes to the U.S. that were so radical he caused instant revulsion. He "compromised" (with Democrats, not Republicans) by backing off (and mostly buying off extra corrupt Dem pols) just enough to jam through whatever he could in the Dem controlled Congress.

After his Dems were destroyed in the mid-term elections, he - as is supposed to happen in our system - lost nearly all of his political ability to push through any major programs.

In a desperate attempt to push through more of his SAME POLICIES that got him a major FU from the voters, he is looking for ways he can peel off some Republicans.

That is NOT compromise.

Compromise is scaling back and/or rethinking your policies and programs.

Where has Obama talked about reforming the failed before it started ObamaCare set of programs?

Where has Obama talked about reforming the failed stimulus programs and trying other approaches to economic repair other than Keynesian massive deficit spending, bailing out government (mostly union) workers, private union workers, increased taxes, increased regulations, etc? (yes, he bailed on implementing a new, very expensive, air quality reg - I am talking about making things better for job growth from what they were - not realizing that stabbing yourself with a fork is probably a bad idea) Ha! I forgot that Unions opposed that new reg.
 
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PapaG said:
Haha!

I was about to post this exact same thread.

Problem is, there has been no bill presented to Congress.

What a fucking failure this guy is. Even Harry Reid and Steny Hoyer were rolling their eyes when the camera was on them.
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lmfao I was about to say the same thing.

You're living up to the name.
 
Looks like the American Jobs Act of 2011 finally got introduced today!

Pass the bill!!

Rep. Gohmert Introduces the American Jobs Act of 2011

September 14, 2011

Washington - Rep. Louie Gohmert (TX-01) released the following statement today after introducing the “American Jobs Act of 2011” which will create jobs by taking the corporate tax rate to zero.

“We have heard a lot of rhetoric about job creation from President Obama over the last several days. After waiting to see what the President would actually put into legislative language, and then waiting to see if anybody would actually introduce the President’s bill in the House, today I took the initiative and introduced the 'American Jobs Act of 2011.' It is a very simple bill, which will eliminate the corporate tax which serves as a tariff that our American companies pay on goods they produce here in America.

This bill will actually create jobs in America. Right now, American manufacturing jobs are shipped overseas. What is really insidious about this tax is that corporate taxes are paid by the consumer – built in to the cost of the good or service. Corporate taxes are paid for by people in the form of lower wages to American workers and less money paid out in dividends in everything from 401K retirement accounts and to those who would risk their capital in business ventures. This type of capital investment is where jobs come from.

Unlike President Obama’s bill, which clocks in at 155 pages, the 'American Jobs Act' is only two pages. The American people want to see jobs and economic growth and this bill guarantees that outcome. America would instantly become a safe haven for businesses resulting in an explosion in revenue increases. If we really want to create jobs and grow the economy, we must pass ‘The American Jobs Act’ now.”

To view a copy of the bill, click here.

Congressman Louie Gohmert is the Vice Chair of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security. Prior to being elected to serve in Congress, Louie was elected to three terms as District Judge in Smith County, Texas. He also served as Chief Justice of Texas'12th Court of Appeals.



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Which bill are we supposed to pass? The American Jobs Act Obama was waving around on Monday, or today's American Jobs Act that actually has a resolution number?

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/09/14...ights-to-american-jobs-act-after-obama-delay/

Conservative Nabs Naming Rights to ‘American Jobs Act’ After Obama Delay
Rob Bluey
September 14, 2011 at 1:52 pm
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President Obama repeatedly asked members of Congress to pass the American Jobs Act last week. But when no Democrat filed Obama’s bill after he presented it to Congress, a conservative congressman swiped the name for his own legislation.

The American Jobs Act introduced in the House of Representatives looks quite different from the version President Obama outlined in his speech to Congress. Instead of hiking taxes on working Americans to pay for another stimulus, Rep. Louie Gohmert’s (R-TX) legislation offers a tax cut.

UPDATE: Gohmert’s bill now has a number. It’s HR 2911
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Democrats in Congress Balking at Obama’s Jobs Bill

WASHINGTON — President Obama anticipated Republican resistance to his jobs program, but he is now meeting increasing pushback from his own party. Many Congressional Democrats, smarting from the fallout over the 2009 stimulus bill, say there is little chance they will be able to support the bill as a single entity, citing an array of elements they cannot abide.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/u...ongress-balking-at-obamas-jobs-bill.html?_r=1

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PapaG said:
Looks like the American Jobs Act of 2011 finally got introduced today!

Pass the bill!!
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Jeez, that it some skanky-ass political manuvering.

Show some damn respect. Don't be an ass.

And taking corporate tax rate to zero is truly dumb fuck idea.
 
Masbee said:
Jeez, that it some skanky-ass political maneuvering.
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Is it?

No Dem stepped forward to present the bill. So, why not trot out the ludicrous? To me, it's effectively equivalent to the garbage Obama tried to pass off as leadership.
 
Masbee said:
Jeez, that it some skanky-ass political manuvering.
Show some damn respect. Don't be an ass.

And taking corporate tax rate to zero is truly dumb fuck idea.
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So is waving a "bill" in front of cameras on Monday, and giving a speech about the "bill" last week, and screaming "Pass This Bill" 17 times in a joint session, when there is no bill, and when his own party won't even pass it if it ever materializes.

Also, why is waiving corporate taxes for a year a bad idea? It makes more sense than having all of us fund union infrastructure projects yet again while raising corporate taxes, which was Barry's grand plan.

Obama didn't respect Congress last week, and after last night's beatdown, Dems are going to run away from this loser as fast as they can.
 
Still a bit bewildered at MASBEE. Yes, Obama giving a speech where you say PASS THIS BILL 17 times in prime time in front of a joint session, then "introducing" the bill on Monday while waving it as a prop in front of cameras and a selected array of "workers" isn't political posturing, and still not having it submitted by a single Dem two days later isn't posturing again, is it? Whoever this GOP guy is that did this, I applaud him for showing how this was just a cheap political stunt from a President slowing fading from relevance.

The Dems don't want this bill. The GOP doesn't want this bill. America doesn't want this bill.

This is what happens when we put a guy with ZERO accomplishments, yet an inflated ego that borders on narcissism, in the White House.
 
Looks like DeFazio isn't going to PASS THE BILL!!!

Obstructionist!

And Democrats are increasingly voicing their distaste for parts of Obama’s new jobs plan, the New York Times reported.

Rep. Peter DeFazio, an Oregon Democrat, told the paper he would not vote for more tax cuts, saying Obama “is in a box.”

“We have the economy that tax cuts gave us,” DeFazio said. And it’s pretty pathetic, isn’t it? The president is in a box.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63586.html#ixzz1Y2Q98DRG
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Wow, just wow.

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PASS THIS BILL!!

There still is no bill to pass, or even to score, at this point, but I suppose I'm just trivializing things.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obama-makes-plea-to-pass-this-bill-100-plus-times/

Obama Makes Plea to ‘Pass This Bill’ 100-Plus Times

In six speeches during the course of seven days, President Obama has hammered home his call for Congress to act on his $447 billion jobs plan, saying some version of the phrase “pass this bill” more than 100 times.

The president repeated the rallying cry 18 times in his speech to Congress, another 18 times at his stop in Richmond, Va., 12 times in his Rose Garden address, 18 times in Columbus, Ohio., 24 times in Raleigh, N.C., and 12 times at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute Gala in Washington, D.C., for a grand total of (drum roll, please) 102.

But are Congress and the American people getting the message?
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I think he meant to say, "pay this bill (too)."
 
PapaG said:
Still a bit bewildered at MASBEE. Yes, Obama giving a speech where you say PASS THIS BILL 17 times in prime time in front of a joint session, then "introducing" the bill on Monday while waving it as a prop in front of cameras and a selected array of "workers" isn't political posturing, and still not having it submitted by a single Dem two days later isn't posturing again, is it? Whoever this GOP guy is that did this, I applaud him for showing how this was just a cheap political stunt from a President slowing fading from relevance.

The Dems don't want this bill. The GOP doesn't want this bill. America doesn't want this bill.

This is what happens when we put a guy with ZERO accomplishments, yet an inflated ego that borders on narcissism, in the White House.
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Still bewildered since when, the last post when you repleid to him just 5 minutes before?

Anyways, your last line sounds like a very objective non-bias analysis of Obama . . . I can see you are well balanced and rationale when it comes to this topic.
 
ABM said:
Is it?

No Dem stepped forward to present the bill. So, why not trot out the ludicrous? To me, it's effectively equivalent to the garbage Obama tried to pass off as leadership.
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Taking the name that Obama wants used is snarky, smartass and low-class.

It makes no difference what Obama is or how he acts. None of that excuses the behaviour of the Rep, who took the name of the bill to mock Obama, AND to introduce a proposal (no Corp Income Tax) that is stupid on its face and is politically impossible to boot.

You do not elevate the tone, set an example for leadership, by excusing deplorable behavior with, "he started it", "or he did worse than me".

I am critical of Obama. I think he is a failed President, among the worst ever.

That doesn't mean that I don't think some of the Republicans are unhinged, and tolerate a slew of dunderheads among their ranks. If I was leader of the House, I would take that jackass into my office and reprimand and punish him. You lose the high groung when you jump in feet first into the muck. No need for it. It relfects more on that rep, than on Obama.
 
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Masbee said:
Taking the name that Obama wants used is snarky, smartass and low-class.

It makes no difference what Obama is or how he acts. None of that excuses the behaviour of the Rep, who took the name of the bill to mock Obama, AND to introduce a proposal (no Corp Income Tax) that is stupid on its face and is politically impossible to boot.

You do not elevate the tone, set an example for leadership, by excusing deplorable behavior with, "he started it", "or he did worse than me".

I am critical of Obama. I think he is a failed President, among the worst ever.

That doesn't mean that I don't think some of the Republicans are unhinged, and tolerate a slew of dunderheads among their ranks. If I was leader of the House, I would take that jackass into my office and reprimand and punish him. You lose the high groung when you jump in feet first into the much. No need for it. It relfects more on that rep, than on Obama.
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Rep'd! Great post.
 
PapaG said:
Also, why is waiving corporate taxes for a year a bad idea? It makes more sense than having all of us fund union infrastructure projects yet again while raising corporate taxes, which was Barry's grand plan.
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The effective rate the US Corps pay is very low, despite the stated rate being high. There is no evidence lowering further very low effective rates will do what is desired - add US jobs and increase confidence and thus spending and investments.
 
Masbee said:
Taking the name that Obama wants used is snarky, smartass and low-class.

It makes no difference what Obama is or how he acts. None of that excuses the behaviour of the Rep, who took the name of the bill to mock Obama, AND to introduce a proposal (no Corp Income Tax) that is stupid on its face and is politically impossible to boot.

You do not elevate the tone, set an example for leadership, by excusing deplorable behavior with, "he started it", "or he did worse than me".

I am critical of Obama. I think he is a failed President, among the worst ever.

That doesn't mean that I don't think some of the Republicans are unhinged, and tolerate a slew of dunderheads among their ranks. If I was leader of the House, I would take that jackass into my office and reprimand and punish him. You lose the high groung when you jump in feet first into the muck. No need for it. It relfects more on that rep, than on Obama.
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Again, where is Obama's bill? I agree with some of what you're saying, but this entire PASS THIS BILL bullshit is political theatre and should be mocked. Even the Dems aren't gong to pass it, if it is even introduced.

You have a problem with what the Rep did; I don't and I applaud him for pointing out that there IS NO BILL TO PASS. To me, it seems ridiculous to have a President screaming PASS THIS BILL for a week now on the campaign trail, er "jobs tour", when there is still no bill to pass, and a bill hasn't even been scored by the CBO.
 
Obama's bill makes it illegal to discriminate against unemployed

President Obama's American Jobs Act, which he presented to Congress on Monday, would make it illegal for employers to run advertisements saying that they will not consider unemployed workers, or to refuse to consider or hire people because they are unemployed.

The proposed language is found in a section of the bill titled "Prohibition of Discrimination in Employment on the Basis of an Individual's Status as Unemployed." That section would also make it illegal for employers to request that employment agencies take into account a person's unemployed status.
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This is a controversial provision. From my experiences nothing was more frustrating when I was job hunting than to see a job I was qualified for and see the phrase "Unemployed candidates will not be considered" in the job description.

On the other hand I can see people abusing this and suing employers simply because the didn't get the job and justifying it as discrimination.
 
bluefrog said:
Obama's bill makes it illegal to discriminate against unemployed



This is a controversial provision. From my experiences nothing was more frustrating when I was job hunting than to see a job I was qualified for and see the phrase "Unemployed candidates will not be considered" in the job description.

On the other hand I can see people abusing this and suing employers simply because the didn't get the job and justifying it as discrimination.
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Interesting. Not sure how I feel about that - it seems to me (un)employment history is a key factor in hiring, would be impossible to ignore it. But then I wouldn't refuse to accept applications from the unemployed altogether. Don't know how you could successfully anyway - most unemployed nowadays call themselves "consultants".

barfo
 
Masbee said:
The effective rate the US Corps pay is very low, despite the stated rate being high. There is no evidence lowering further very low effective rates will do what is desired - add US jobs and increase confidence and thus spending and investments.
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Taxing corporations is stupid, sorry. Whatever tax you think they're paying, they pass on to all of us as higher prices. In effect, taxing them is just taxing us.
 
Obama did submit his bill to congress a few days after his speech. It's now just silly to ask where is it. But it was silly of him to not have the bill in hand when he said to pass THIS bill.
 
Denny Crane said:
Obama did submit his bill to congress a few days after his speech. It's now just silly to ask where is it. But it was silly of him to not have the bill in hand when he said to pass THIS bill.
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Link?

Who introduced it and sponsored it? What is the HR #? What is the title of the bill?

I'm pretty sure he hasn't had it introduced, but if I'm wrong, I'll retract that criticism.
 
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