Pelicans pick watch

[PCmor7]

People don't get it because there's actually some logic in not wanting the Pelicans to be atrocious.

We don't want them getting enough ping pong balls that they might wind up in the top four and we lose the pick. We don't want them to get into the play-in and grab lightning in a bottle and then we end up losing the pick.

We want them to drop one or two spots.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

needless to say, he's absolutely killing it though and was one of the reasons why i wanted to keep him through the summer so he could build trade value. As a #1 option, he puts up ridiculous numbers but they don't always translate to wins.

9 seasons. I think every team knows what CJ is capable of. Offers weren't going to magically change any months later. Saying that, I don't necessarily think that was the biggest haul we could have gotten.

 

[Hoopguru]

Unlike the rest of these teams we aren't playing around. We are going to shamelessly tank the rest of this season. I honestly think there is better than a 50/50 chance that we don't win another game. Our team is all about tanking our best right now and never tanking again. Just getting the best asset possible out of the draft lotto and then getting back to winning next season.

You could be right about rest of games. I was one that thought they'd never tank, man was i wrong....

 

[Phatguysrule]

You could be right about rest of games. I was one that thought they'd never tank, man was i wrong....

Honestly, it would be irresponsible for the front office not to tank with Dame out for extended time and CJ gone.

I almost never want the tank, but this is the situation in which it makes the most sense.

 

[blazerkor]

Honestly, it would be irresponsible for the front office not to tank with Dame out for extended time and CJ gone.

I almost never want the tank, but this is the situation in which it makes the most sense.

I know there isn't a Duncan in the draft but San Antonio wasn't tanking for him because they had no shot at the bottom two records. That being said they still didn't bring Robinson back when they could have and sat a bunch of their best players down the stretch of that season in 1997. That's not because Pop who wasn't competitive and doesn't have ethics it's because he is brilliant and wanted the best player possible to bolster a team that was already competitive. What they got was the cornerstone for a dynasty and a championship two seasons later.

 

[Freshtown]

It’s hard to say that it’s a “weak draft.” There’s no prospect that looks like Duncan in that they are a guaranteed superstar, but then again, how many of today’s superstars looked that way during the draft? Giannis? Jokic? Kawhi? It’s too hard to say this is a good draft or bad.

 

[RR7]

 

[Phatguysrule]

Oh shit. Can they lose their way to the top 4? Fuck fuck fuck....

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Oh shit. Can they lose their way to the top 4? Fuck fuck fuck....

Not likely. If we can't get the Spurs or Kings to even pass us, it'll be tough for the Pels to out tank them. Pels will be no worse than 8th overall, IMO.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not likely. If we can't get the Spurs or Kings to even pass us, it'll be tough for the Pels to out tank them. Pels will be no worse than 8th overall, IMO.

 

[damianlillard]

Oh shit. Can they lose their way to the top 4? Fuck fuck fuck....

No lol. They’re in a play in spot. No way they’re gonna out tank the blazers and pacers too. Kings and Spurs are a possibility though

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sucks for both, but yay

I hope CJs COVID doesn’t mess with his collapsed lung from a month or so ago

 

[Hoopguru]

They are in same situation as we are sort of. Their two stars out CJ& Ingram. Waiting on the big guy. So, bag this season get a lottery pick 1-3 and come back next season a different team and fresh start.

 

[blazerkor]

They are in same situation as we are sort of. Their two stars out CJ& Ingram. Waiting on the big guy. So, bag this season get a lottery pick 1-3 and come back next season a different team and fresh start.

I don't think CJ being out for a week and Ingram being back about the same time will make this team give up on trying to make the play in. We'll see though. No one seems to be as dedicated to the tank as we are.

 

[RR7]

I don't think CJ being out for a week and Ingram being back about the same time will make this team give up on trying to make the play in. We'll see though. No one seems to be as dedicated to the tank as we are.

Yeah, they don't have a guaranteed lottery pick like we do for tanking. They still lose it 5-14, and though they can get lucky, they're not going to out tank others into the bottom 4 this late. They'll still push for the play in. Likely get it because SA and Sacramento suck for us

 

[Hoopguru]

I don't think CJ being out for a week and Ingram being back about the same time will make this team give up on trying to make the play in. We'll see though. No one seems to be as dedicated to the tank as we are.

Why wouldn't they?

 

[Chris Craig]

It seems we can either lose out and hope for a top three pick and for SAS to somehow win enough games to overtake NOP or we can make the Play-in, knocking the Pels out and then los the Play-in on purpose to ensure two 1st rnd picks.

 

[blazerkor]

Yeah, they don't have a guaranteed lottery pick like we do for tanking. They still lose it 5-14, and though they can get lucky, they're not going to out tank others into the bottom 4 this late. They'll still push for the play in. Likely get it because SA and Sacramento suck for us

With three games against us and two games against the Pels, the Spurs could definitely give NOLA a run for their money for that final play in spot. We'll see what happens with the Lakers but they're a week out from AD being re-evaluated. The ninth and tenth spots in the West could be hotly contested.

 

[blazerkor]

It seems we can either lose out and hope for a top three pick and for SAS to somehow win enough games to overtake NOP or we can make the Play-in, knocking the Pels out and then los the Play-in on purpose to ensure two 1st rnd picks.

Oh, I think it's pretty obvious that we're going for that first option but I guess that strategy could be fluid. I personally think we should try to lose out and trust that the Pelicans aren't going to beat the Lakers and Clippers in successive win or go home games.

 

[blazerkor]

Why wouldn't they?

They just seem pretty dedicated to getting their young team as much big game experience as possible. I also think they wouldn't because the chances that they end up with a pick even if they tank are going to be really low. If we weren't going to get a pick unless it was top 4 I would want us to be doing everything we could to get to the playoffs.

 

[Pinwheel1]

No way the Pelicans will fall to the 4th spot. (7 games up in the win column) But possibly to the 5th spot which could give them a chance of getting lucky with the ping pong balls.

 

[Hoopguru]

They just seem pretty dedicated to getting their young team as much big game experience as possible. I also think they wouldn't because the chances that they end up with a pick even if they tank are going to be really low. If we weren't going to get a pick unless it was top 4 I would want us to be doing everything we could to get to the playoffs.

If we end up with their lottery pick and our own do you think the best way to go for Dame Time would be to couple one or both with a youngster like Naz or Simons for that legit proven front line star that defends and scores?
Or do you hope that one of the two draft picks is a home run front line player?

 

[e_blazer]

If we end up with their lottery pick and our own do you think the best way to go for Dame Time would be to couple one or both with a youngster like Naz or Simons for that legit proven front line star that defends and scores?
Or do you hope that one of the two draft picks is a home run front line player?

I think they'll deal one of the picks and fit Grant into the TPE. I doubt they want to trade Little and I'm certain that they don't want to trade Simons.

 

[TBpup]

I think they'll deal one of the picks and fit Grant into the TPE. I doubt they want to trade Little and I'm certain that they don't want to trade Simons.

That seems to be the conventional wisdom. But if Collins, Wood, or Siakam is available as has been rumored of at least 2 of those 3, I'd rather have any of them vs Grant.

 

[e_blazer]

That seems to be the conventional wisdom. But if Collins, Wood, or Siakam is available as has been rumored of at least 2 of those 3, I'd rather have any of them vs Grant.

Obviously, things can change based upon players becoming available. That said, you have to look at the cumulative difference. Are any of those guys certain to have more impact than Grant plus either Simons or Little? Not sure I’d agree with that.

 

[TBpup]

Obviously, things can change based upon players becoming available. That said, you have to look at the cumulative difference. Are any of those guys certain to have more impact than Grant plus either Simons or Little? Not sure I’d agree with that.

Was never suggesting including Nas or Ant....so whomever else came in, would be an addition for the 2nd Lottery pick, just like Grant.

 

[blazerkor]

If we end up with their lottery pick and our own do you think the best way to go for Dame Time would be to couple one or both with a youngster like Naz or Simons for that legit proven front line star that defends and scores?
Or do you hope that one of the two draft picks is a home run front line player?

If we land the 1st or 2nd pick I want Jabari and if not Jabari then Paolo. If we land outside of the top two I think you find out who the highest bidder is on the picks. I wouldn't want to give up Ant with two lotto picks unless a big time superstar was coming back. If we end up with the 5th-7th pick from us and the 10th-12th pick from the Pelicans, I think Atlanta would have to be interested in those two picks (Bledsoe) for Collins and I would do that. I think Collins does the things we need to go from where we were for so long to being a second tier team and although second tier teams aren't top contenders, if things break the right way for them they can go all the way. Obviously in that situation we would need Ant, Nas and Collins to continue to get better.

Now if we landed the 3rd or 4th pick and had the 10th from NOLA, I think we could get Siakam for those two picks, Hart and Bledsoe. I would definitely do that.

 

[boredinsalem]

I think they'll deal one of the picks and fit Grant into the TPE. I doubt they want to trade Little and I'm certain that they don't want to trade Simons.

I think we can trade the Pelicans pick for Grant straight up (using the exemption). I don't think we can package our pick with the exemption because then it would be trading back to back picks or combining a player with the exemption.

If we do the former trade, our roster could look like this:

Lillard/Simons/Williams
Hart/Johnson
Little/Didi
Grant/Watford/Brown
?

Plus we'd have Bledsoe's contract and bird rights for Nurkic and Ingles and non-guaranteed contracts for Elleby and Hughes.

I feel like our first round pick + Bledsoe. I feel like those two could get us something decent (if it's a top 6 pick). I love the thought of going after Draymond if the Ws flame out (in a 3-way where they're getting back something else) then resigning Nurkic to make a last hurrah with Dame. If that doesn't work out his contract is short anyways. It'd be high-risk though given his and Nurk's injury history.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think they'll deal one of the picks and fit Grant into the TPE. I doubt they want to trade Little and I'm certain that they don't want to trade Simons.

Id rather have Bey than Grant but he wouldn't be that easy to get.
Just seems we could do better than Grant with the assets we'd have? If we had to include Ant and a first to get a Star Power forward, Id consider it for sure.