OT Pete Rose is FINALLY eligible for the Hall of Fame!

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Off MLB's Banned List
• Joe Jackson (1919 Black Sox scandal)

• Buck Weaver (Black Sox)

• Eddie Cicotte (Black Sox)

• Lefty Williams (Black Sox)

• Happy Felsch (Black Sox)

• Fred McMullin (Black Sox)

• Swede Risberg (Black Sox)

• Chick Gandil (Black Sox)

• Joe Gedeon (Had "guilty knowledge" of gambling activity in 1919)

• Gene Paulette (Banned in 1920 for associating with gamblers in 1919)

• Benny Kauff (Banned in 1921 despite his acquittal on auto theft charge. Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis deemed him "no longer a fit companion for other ballplayers.")

• Lee Magee (Banned in 1921 over his disputed back salary elicited evidence of his gambling involvement)

• Shufflin' Phil Douglas (New York Giants player banned after threatening his manager)

• Jimmy O'Connell, Giants player banned in 1924 after offering a bribe to another player)

• Cozy Dolan (Giants coach involved in the O'Connell incident)

• William Cox (Phillies' owner, banned and forced to sell the team in 1943 for betting on baseball)

• Pete Rose (Bet on baseball)
 
I don’t think the writers let Pete in. He should absolutely be in based on his on the field play, but those bastards are petty
 
Pete's lifetime ban has ended with his death but the greatness of his career was always undeniable and integral to the history of baseball. Hopefully the holier then thou writers tone down the self righteousness so the hall can both celebrate his achievements and detail the shortcomings. It's all part of the story & it's not really a HOF without the game's true greats even if some of them were far less then perfect. For me anyway if there is a line that can't be uncrossed, it's violent crimes (like OJ).

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Ty Cobb, allegedly the biggest racist in MLB history is in the HOF. I guess that was ok. If these people want to play morality police and exclude players, maybe they should go back and clean up the HOF of players that would be considered unseemly now. But they do not want to do that. This is why there are no roll models in professional sports. Players, coaches, owners nor commissioners. The fact that MLB's all time hits leader and all time home run leader are not in the HOF says a lot about that game, league and directors.
 
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Ty Cobb, allegedly the biggest racist in MLB history is in the HOF. I guess that was ok. If these people want to play morality police and exclude players, maybe they should go back and clean up the HOF of players that would be considered unseemly now. But they do not want to do that. This is why there are no roll models in professional sports. Players, coaches, owners nor commissioners. The fact that MLB's all time hits leader and all time home run leader are not in the HOF says a lot about that game, league and directors.
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Ty Cobb's legacy is complex and includes accusations of racism, but these claims are debated.
Arguments against Cobb's racism:
  • Early supporter of integration: Some historians argue that Cobb was a fairly early supporter of integrating baseball and praised Black players like Willie Mays and Roy Campanella.
  • Positive interactions with Negro League players: There are accounts of Cobb visiting Negro League games and interacting positively with players.
  • Family history: Cobb's family history suggests a progressive stance on race for the time. His great-grandfather preached against slavery, his father advocated for public education for Black Americans, and Cobb himself supported integration in baseball, according to MLB.com.
  • Challenging the "racist" narrative: Charles Leerhsen, author of "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty," challenged the prevailing narrative of Cobb as a virulent racist, arguing that this portrayal was based on inaccuracies and exaggerations.
Arguments for Cobb's racism:
  • Incidents of violence against Black individuals: There are accounts of Cobb engaging in violent altercations with Black individuals, which are cited as evidence of his racism.
  • Violent temperament: Cobb was known for his fiery and aggressive nature, and some argue that this contributed to his negative interactions with people of color.
It's important to note:
  • Cobb's era: Cobb lived during a time of widespread racial prejudice, and it's crucial to understand his actions within that historical context.
  • Conflicting accounts: There are conflicting accounts of Cobb's behavior, and separating fact from fiction is challenging.
  • Rehabilitation efforts: There have been attempts to rehabilitate Cobb's image and present a more nuanced view of his life, emphasizing his contributions to baseball and charitable work.
In conclusion: While Cobb's aggressive and violent behavior is undeniable, whether he was truly a racist remains a subject of debate. Some historians argue that the prevailing negative portrayal of Cobb is inaccurate and based on exaggerations, while others point to specific incidents as evidence of his prejudice.
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SharpesTriumph said:
16? Karl Malone got a 12 year old pregnant but still made the HOF.
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yup, while in college. Never paid child support. Never paid child support for the twins he fathered with his HS girlfriend either. Remember back in the day when his Jazz were battling the Blazers in the playoffs and following those games he'd rush off the court with cameras following him and he'd make a big show of talking to some disabled kid he'd befriended? Just a scumbag of a human being and a HOFer. I think him being such a fraud scumbag may have had something to do with why he was such an all time choker in big games. I have no issue acknowledging he was a tremendous talent and would prefer his full story be told on his HOF plaque. Same with Rose

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An alternative would be to have a Hall of Shame appended to the Hall of Fame. That way players could be moved from one wing to the other as new facts are learned or as the morals of the current day dictate.

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Ty Cobb was in Klan.

Trump has been putting thumb.on scale for Rose. MLB commissioner had previously said betting on baseball meant permanent ban. Now changed his tune. Dropped diversity programs. Silent when Jackie Robinson deleted. He wants two things, continuing baseball anti trust exemption and visas for Latin American players. Mewling And Groveling Again, as one sportswriter said.
 
former NBA player Tom Tolbert has a great podcast that is generally centered on Bay Area sports. In this one his guest is hilarious grump sports writer Ray Ratto. They get into the Rose debate at about 1:18:30 and offer interesting perspectives from an actual HOF voter and a self described degenerate gambler.



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