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Well, if Toronto wouldn't do it then, I don't want to do it now.
 
I'd do #10 plus Freeland for Gortat. That would leave around 7.5M in space to address backup PG and another bench player.
 
e_blazer said:
I'd do #10 plus Freeland for Gortat.
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You honestly believe Phoenix would? If they're offloading Gortat for the #10 pick in an average draft, the least they'll want is maximum cap space. They ain't taking any salary baggage.
 
If Asik was good, Houston wouldn't trade him. If they would trade him, we shouldn't want him. That's your logic, right? See how stupid it is?

Fine. Phoenix is not in need of a rebuild They're shooting to win a title next season. Good call.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
You can't even keep up. It wasn't TOR.
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My mistake. Toronto's pick, but apparently OKC. But, of course, that's worse for you: I can see why a young team like Toronto that already had Valanciunas wouldn't want Gortat, but OKC REALLY needed help in the middle with Perkins's slide, and a half-decent center would be worth way more than the #12 pick. Suggests to me that they didn't think Gortat was that.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If Gortat is good, then the Suns will want to keep him. If he's bad, then we don't want him. So: if the Suns would go for #10 for Gortat, then we shouldn't take it.

"But maybe he needs a change of scene!" But why? Because he quit on the team? Because he wants Steve Nash back? Either way, is he likely to play better in Portland?
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It seems to me that we have been reading for about a year that Gordat wants out of Phoenix. Maybe that changed and he is just one of those players that is high maintenance. But it seems to me they are looking to move him regardless of whether he is good or not.
 
RR7 said:
If Asik was good, Houston wouldn't trade him. If they would trade him, we shouldn't want him. That's your logic, right? See how stupid it is?
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It only sounds stupid when you say it. Because it doesn't apply to Houston, because Asik could still be good, but not as good as Howard who plays the same position. See? It's not really that hard.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
It seems to me that we have been reading for about a year that Gordat wants out of Phoenix. Maybe that changed and he is just one of those players that is high maintenance. But it seems to me they are looking to move him regardless of whether he is good or not.
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He wants out of Phoenix because there's too much sun and he sees the ball too much. He wants a smaller role in a rainier place.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You honestly believe Phoenix would? If they're offloading Gortat for the #10 pick in an average draft, the least they'll want is maximum cap space. They ain't taking any salary baggage.
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I agree with you here. I don't see Phoenix taking back cap space.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
He wants out of Phoenix because there's too much sun and he sees the ball too much. He wants a smaller role in a rainier place.
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I am missing your point. We know he has bitched and has said previously he wanted to be traded. Would he bitch in Portland too? Probably.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
My mistake. Toronto's pick, but apparently OKC. But, of course, that's worse for you: I can see why a young team like Toronto that already had Valanciunas wouldn't want Gortat, but OKC REALLY needed help in the middle with Perkins's slide, and a half-decent center would be worth way more than the #12 pick. Suggests to me that they didn't think Gortat was that.
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No one said OKC turned the deal down. It was discussed by both teams and not done in time. PHX could have turned it down, OKC could have turned it down or they mutually walked away.
 
Just like you, I honestly don't know what the Suns would do. What I posted is what I would offer. If it doesn't work, big deal. #10 plus $7M of our cap space is too much, IMHO.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You honestly believe Phoenix would? If they're offloading Gortat for the #10 pick in an average draft, the least they'll want is maximum cap space. They ain't taking any salary baggage.
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They were gonna take #12 and Perkins. Our deal is better
 
e_blazer said:
Just like you, I honestly don't know what the Suns would do. What I posted is what I would offer. If it doesn't work, big deal. #10 plus $7M of our cap space is too much, IMHO.
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I agree that Blazers only consider a trade for Gortat if they can shed some salary so to sign someone significant this summer

Why Phx might take on Freeland: when rebuilding you go for a lot of young players with cheap contracts. If Freeland is viewed as having potential, Phx gets two young players with potential on cheap salaries for an aging Gortat who doesn't have much more upside. After two years of rebuilding, if Freeland and the draft pick work out, you resign them or keep them as restricted FA, if they they don't work out you let them walk.

Basically two young players with potential and cheap contracts vs one more year of Gortat.

the big question I wonder is for teams rebuilding, do they see Freeland as a potential asset down the road, because 3 million a yr isn't bad to fill a roster spot.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I agree that Blazers only consider a trade for Gortat if they can shed some salary so to sign someone significant this summer

Why Phx might take on Freeland: when rebuilding you go for a lot of young players with cheap contracts. If Freeland is viewed as having potential, Phx gets two young players with potential on cheap salaries for an aging Gortat who doesn't have much more upside. After two years of rebuilding, if Freeland and the draft pick work out, you resign them or keep them as restricted FA, if they they don't work out you let them walk.

Basically two young players with potential and cheap contracts vs one more year of Gortat.

the big question I wonder is for teams rebuilding, do they see Freeland as a potential asset down the road, because 3 million a yr isn't bad to fill a roster spot.
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I doubt they seem him as much of an asset. In reality, it could be they don't have great asset acquisition offers for Gortat, and the ability to be able to "potentially" snag the 10th pick is worth sitting him on your bench for 2 years.
 
RR7 said:
I doubt they seem him as much of an asset. In reality, it could be they don't have great asset acquisition offers for Gortat, and the ability to be able to "potentially" snag the 10th pick is worth sitting him on your bench for 2 years.
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Well that is another reason Phx might do it (swallow the contract for the #10 pick). And they still might be able to use Freeland as asset in his last year as an expiring contract in some trade situation.

I haven't given up on Freeland (maybe because he still has 2 more years on his contract). He seems a step slow both on offense and defense and I don't know if that is something he can overcome, but his basketball IQ seems fine and he appears determined to work hard and figure this all out. He can carve himself out a role if he can figure how how to be effective defensively and get rebounds.
 
Fucking great!

More Gortat babble.

Clamoring for an average big is a nice example at just how weak the position is today.

P.s.

GAG
 
DMC
Asik
Sanders
Pipe dream: Drummond

Asik could be in play with HOU looking to clear cap for Dwightmare.

Hanson's rapid development could make Sanders more attainable. He duplicates what Sanders brings, only a lot cheaper.

These are real difference makers. Special defensive players (Asik, Sanders) or a special offensive force (DMC).

Gortat will keep this team in purgatory.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Our deal? You mean the non-existent one we're not going to offer?
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Okay the hypothetical one you shot down because you said Phoenix wouldn't take the offer. Obviously the one proposed is better than the rumored one from okc.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
DMC
Asik
Sanders
Pipe dream: Drummond

Asik could be in play with HOU looking to clear cap for Dwightmare.

Hanson's rapid development could make Sanders more attainable. He duplicates what Sanders brings, only a lot cheaper.

These are real difference makers. Special defensive players (Asik, Sanders) or a special offensive force (DMC).

Gortat will keep this team in purgatory.
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So what do all those centers have that Gortat does not thats so great?
 
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Fez Hammersticks said:
DMC
Asik
Sanders
Pipe dream: Drummond

Asik could be in play with HOU looking to clear cap for Dwightmare.

Hanson's rapid development could make Sanders more attainable. He duplicates what Sanders brings, only a lot cheaper.

These are real difference makers. Special defensive players (Asik, Sanders) or a special offensive force (DMC).

Gortat will keep this team in purgatory.
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All you mentioned are pipe dreams. Asik is about as realistic as Howard able to make 75% of his free throws.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
DMC
Asik
Sanders
Pipe dream: Drummond

Asik could be in play with HOU looking to clear cap for Dwightmare.

Hanson's rapid development could make Sanders more attainable. He duplicates what Sanders brings, only a lot cheaper.

These are real difference makers. Special defensive players (Asik, Sanders) or a special offensive force (DMC).

Gortat will keep this team in purgatory.
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Every one of those guys is a damn pipe dream.
 
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