Plan B:

[Nikolokolus]

I don't think signing him is a possibility anyway. You can't offer him significantly more than the MLE and Milwaukee cleared the salary space to match that. I think it is 100% that they will.

My interest would be in talking to Milwaukee about a sign-and-trade. I'd give up Bayless or Rudy to acquire him. Outlaw also. Since they did draft Brandon Jennings, they may be willing to deal Sessions if they got some value back.

Maybe my recollection of the CBA is wrong, you're saying Milwaukee would only have to match the MLE part of the first year and not the entire value of the contract including the balloon raises in years 3+? Well fuck that then, they'd match the MLE on him for sure.

As for the idea of a trade, I'd be on board with what you propose ... but it's hard for me to imagine KP trading away Rudy and Bayless. I'm not saying he's too in love with them, but it just doesn't feel like a KP trade

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Would it be worth making a play for Kidd just to fuck with Dallas? They've offered him $8M a year for 3 years, though...

I hope Pritchard doesn't feel like he has to sign just SOMEBODY to make it look like he's doing something. If it doesn't fit, you must pass on it.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Would it be worth making a play for Kidd just to fuck with Dallas? They've offered him $8M a year for 3 years, though...

I hope Pritchard doesn't feel like he has to sign just SOMEBODY to make it look like he's doing something. If it doesn't fit, you must pass on it.

No.

Of all the PGs out there, I like Nash, even though people here don't.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Would it be worth making a play for Kidd just to fuck with Dallas? They've offered him $8M a year for 3 years, though...

I hope Pritchard doesn't feel like he has to sign just SOMEBODY to make it look like he's doing something. If it doesn't fit, you must pass on it.

I doubt he's going to go into panic mode, if there are still players out there that he wants I'm guessing we'll see a market value offer (or slightly above) otherwise, expect movement in the trade market ... I hope

 

[Minstrel]

Maybe my recollection of the CBA is wrong, you're saying Milwaukee would only have to match the MLE part of the first year and not the entire value of the contract including the balloon raises in years 3+? Well fuck that then, they'd match the MLE on him for sure.

They have to match the whole thing, but the "balloon raises" can only be 8% of the first year, right?

I'm just saying, Portland can't go in and offer a 5 year / $52 million deal or anything, even if they wanted to. They have to offer something starting at the MLE, even if it has raises later. I think Milwaukee would certainly match that.

And I hope you're wrong about Pritchard. I'd certainly like to believe that he's more flexible about trading the guys he's acquired. I'm not really sure I believe the meme that Pritchard simply refuses to trade "his guys."

 

[illmatic99]

Boy, this sure is deflating.

My targets now (in order of guys I like most, first): Gerald Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Ramon Sessions, Kirk Hinrich, Marvin Williams.

Get either one or two players on this list, and I'm going back into "KP = God" mode.

Edit: Add Battier and Childress to the end of that list as well.

 

[Wheels]

odom would be awesome if he could keep his head straight, best example of under utilized talent in the league.

but could u imagine Mike Rice trying to keep Oden and Odom straight?

I'd still give that nod to Sheed. and I'm a Sheed fan

 

[Wheels]

Odom could be our Outlaw on steroids.. 3/4 backup who plays a lot.

 

[Minstrel]

Odom could be our Outlaw on steroids.. 3/4 backup who plays a lot.

As much as I like Batum, I'd start Odom. He's a good defender, a better scorer and passer than Batum and a slightly better rebounder. Basically, at this stage in their respective careers, Odom is better at everything except maybe defense and the difference there isn't much (though Batum can defend more positions).

 

[Mediocre Man]

Turkoglu was plan B I think. One would assume KP tried to mve Raef at the deadline, but got too greedy.

 

[Wheels]

As much as I like Batum, I'd start Odom. He's a good defender, a better scorer and passer than Batum and a slightly better rebounder. Basically, at this stage in their respective careers, Odom is better at everything except maybe defense and the difference there isn't much (though Batum can defend more positions).

I would worry about our shooting in that lineup.. honestly in that lineup I forgot Batum.. I was imagining Webster and Blake spreading the floor for Roy and LMA, and Rudy and Odom and Bayless as the scorers in the 2nd lineup.. hmm.. now what to do to get Batum minutes. I guess get Martell out lol.

 

[B-Roy]

I seriously hope we don't sign Andre Miller. Doing so would signal a panic move imo. The guy is a terrible fit, and he's getting old to the point where his defense isn't so great anymore.

Odom it is...

 

[Ed O]

Odom > Hedo but I still don't think he would be a good fit here. He's very inconsistent, disappears at times and doesn't contribute. I just don't think he's a complete player.

That is true... but it's VERY true of Hedo, as well.

Odom has some personality quirks but on the court he could make a bigger impact than Hedo... AND it would take him away from the Lakers.

Ed O.

 

[Tince]

I seriously hope we don't sign Andre Miller. Doing so would signal a panic move imo. The guy is a terrible fit, and he's getting old to the point where his defense isn't so great anymore.

Odom it is...

I agree on your Miller point. I'm not sure Odom is the answer, but I'd rather him over Miller.

If we got Brandon Bass and Shannon Brown at a good price, I think that might be the best option.

 

[Ed O]

I agree on your Miller point. I'm not sure Odom is the answer, but I'd rather him over Miller.

If we got Brandon Bass and Shannon Brown at a good price, I think that might be the best option.

Shannon Brown doesn't fit in. He's not a PG... he might not be a bad player (although he hasn't demonstrated much to the contrary in Cleveland, Chicago, Charlotte, or LA) but he's definitely not a PG.

Ed O.

 

[Tince]

Shannon Brown doesn't fit in. He's not a PG... he might not be a bad player (although he hasn't demonstrated much to the contrary in Cleveland, Chicago, Charlotte, or LA) but he's definitely not a PG.

Ed O.

What is he? I thought he was a better PG than Fisher and Farmar this year.

 

[Ed O]

What is he? I thought he was a better PG than Fisher and Farmar this year.

He's a shooting guard. He actually played more small forward, according to 82games.com, than he did PG.

It's possible that he is a PG in the triangle, but so were Ron Harper and John Paxson...

Ed O.

 

[Tince]

He's a shooting guard. He actually played more small forward, according to 82games.com, than he did PG.

It's possible that he is a PG in the triangle, but so were Ron Harper and John Paxson...

Ed O.

So you think we need more of a traditional PG even though Brandon Roy is the PG in our half court sets?

I watched Shannon Brown play at least 25 games with the Lakers and I never saw him play a minute of SF, so I find 82games.com stats really odd.

 

[THE HCP]

Gerald Wallace!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

According to the L.A. Times, Lamar is looking for around $10m /per

 

[Minstrel]

According to the L.A. Times, Lamar is looking for around $10m /per

So the same as Turkoglu. I'd rather have Odom than Turk, so I'd definitely offer him the 5 year / $52 million deal, if I were the Blazers. In addition, he's a year younger, so there's more chance that he'll be productive through more of the contract.

 

[Idog1976]

So the same as Turkoglu. I'd rather have Odom than Turk, so I'd definitely offer him the 5 year / $52 million deal, if I were the Blazers. In addition, he's a year younger, so there's more chance that he'll be productive through more of the contract.

Plus Odom GOT a ring this year. Hedo got punked...

Can't see Odom in Portland though.

I would be ok with a (J)Chill-Session(s) offseason

Or Kurt Thomas and Sessions and then one of Battier/Prince. I think those last two are getable you just have to be willing to give something up. Do you think Houston would go Przybilla for Battier straight up? Would you do that?

 

[Minstrel]

I would be ok with a (J)Chill-Session(s) offseason

I'd be thrilled with that off-season.

Do you think Houston would go Przybilla for Battier straight up? Would you do that?

I'd assume that they would, with Yao potentially out for the season. They have Ariza to step in for Battier. I don't think I'd do it, if I were Portland. I don't think Battier is a real upgrade on Batum. Both are very good, versatile defenders and both are currently unproductive. But they're headed in opposite directions, Batum upward and Battier downward. I think Przybilla is more important to Portland.

 

[Tince]

Plus Odom GOT a ring this year. Hedo got punked...

Can't see Odom in Portland though.

I would be ok with a (J)Chill-Session(s) offseason

Or Kurt Thomas and Sessions and then one of Battier/Prince. I think those last two are getable you just have to be willing to give something up. Do you think Houston would go Przybilla for Battier straight up? Would you do that?

Where would we find the money to offer both of them contracts that the Bucks and Hawks won't match?

 

[Idog1976]

Plus Odom GOT a ring this year. Hedo got punked...

Can't see Odom in Portland though.

I would be ok with a (J)Chill-Session(s) offseason

Or Kurt Thomas and Sessions and then one of Battier/Prince. I think those last two are getable you just have to be willing to give something up. Do you think Houston would go Przybilla for Battier straight up? Would you do that?

In this trade I add Ridnour to Sessions merely to simulate Sessions signing at around 7 Million a year to begin for 5 years with the 8% increase.

Milwauke then has

PG Blake/Jennings
SG Redd
SF Outlaw
PF Thomas
C Bogut.

Who am I kidding that's awful but adding back in Sessions doesn't do much.

Houston gets what it needs desperately a man over 6 feet 10 inches tall. They get Joel Przybilla
and shooting guard to begin to take over for the oft wounded T-mac. Houston has to rethink it's team and it's window with Yao out indefinitely/permanently and T-mac will be traded soon or become a FA next summer. T-mac is then somewhat replaced by Rudy Fernandez in exchange for Shane Battier and Carl Landry.

Houston then has

PG Brooks/Lowry
SG T-Mac (if healthy/Rudy
SF Ariza/T-Mac
PF Scola/Hayes/Dorsey
C Przybilla/Hayes

They are still thin at SF and C but FAR better then there gaping hole at center and aging pieces.


That leaves Portland with:

PG Sessions/Bayless/Mills
SG Roy/Webster/Bayless
SF Battier/Batum/Webster
PF LMA/Landry/Cunningham
C Oden/LMA/Pendergraph

Looks pretty damn solid to me and it's doable.

 

[illmatic99]

Looks horrible to me.

You just traded Rudy, Przy, Outlaw, and Blake for Sessions, Battier, and Landry. Yuck. WTF is the point of having all our capspace if we have to give up legit talent?

 

[Idog1976]

Where would we find the money to offer both of them contracts that the Bucks and Hawks won't match?

The only way that would work is if you forced Milwaukie into a sign and trade and matched Sessions salary. You would then have to outbid Atlanta for Josh Childress. This would be a huge gamble as you would potentially get fucked by Milwaukee dragging it's feet until the last minute and then beating your bid.

I like my idea above and you would line up a trade with Houston and when that was in place you would go for Sessions at the last minute. If that doesn't work you fall back on Blake/Bayless. I don't like that because you put all your eggs in the Bayless is the answer at PG. I love Bayless but my certainty is only 70% or so that he is the answer. With Sessions and Bayless you are virtually guaranteed that one works out.

 

[Idog1976]

Looks horrible to me.

You just traded Rudy, Przy, Outlaw, and Blake for Sessions, Battier, and Landry. Yuck. WTF is the point of having all our capspace if we have to give up legit talent?

I consider the capspace as leverage here. You could also just go for Sessions first, again this would be a gamble, for a sign and trade and then try and sign Millsap. In this scenario you rely on Batum/Webster as your 3. I like Battier/Batum better. I think Rudy's time with this team won't be long as he will never be ok playing behind Roy. This is Petrovich part deux. This time I want to get talent in return and the qualities I would want in a SF is veteran leadership, good defense, BBIQ and clutch shooting = Battier.

 

[illmatic99]

I still don't believe in the Rudy being unhappy thing. If Manu can be satisfied coming off the bench and playing for 28 mpg throughout his career, so can Rudy. If we're intent on trading him, I want a legit all star back.

 

[Idog1976]

Looks horrible to me.

You just traded Rudy, Przy, Outlaw, and Blake for Sessions, Battier, and Landry. Yuck. WTF is the point of having all our capspace if we have to give up legit talent?

One more thing do you see a FA out there you like? Or have a lopsided trade in mind for some better folks lets see it. Right now I see trading as our best bet to get legit talent not no talent = Outlaw/Blake and some real talent/size Rudy/Przybilla. The thing is other teams want stuff in return you can't just rob them blind. I think Turkey or Odom or Ariza were the targets maybe even Artest or *shudder* Marion. Most of those ships have sailed or have run aground into a jetty of piled rock in the case of the Marion ship. An acursed vessel which I hope didn't even make it out of the KP brain harbor.

Therefore since there are no FA's there are only lopsided trades...I don't see alot of opportunity there. I see leverage with our cap space being about all we got.