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SharpesTriumph said:
Walker is so irrelevant to the Blazers and all other teams. He's a scrub throw in with an irrelevant salary.
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So irrelevant that they decided to keep him instead of getting rid of him and his salary...

Okay...
 
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If I were looking for a Simons team i’d start with a team featuring a jumbo 2-way point guard that Ant could play off of in the starting lineup that also has decent wing and rim defense behind.

outside of that, it’s a competitive rookie scale-laden team with an established backcourt but needs scoring/shooting off the bench.

(Yeah I’m not sure either team exists and if they do, if they’re a natural trade partner; for #1, Detroit? For #2, Orlando?)
 
Rastapopoulos said:


"Plenty of teams"? NAME THEM
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If this rumor was true and they were looking to get rid of just one of them...then the first thing I would think is they want to dump one of their salaries. In other words, teams don't need to offer much to get either one. Just ending contracts.

So in that scenario yeah there would be plenty of interest. But whoever we get for Ant would more than likely require matching salaries in return, so why would we do it? To save money on his last year? I don't think that makes sense. (unless they get a quality starting forward back, which is doubtful)

Grant on the other hand does make some sense since he is owed 3 additional years after this next one.
 
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beast crnjo said:
25 mil for a player of his scoring talent is a good contract, not to mention he's got legit PG skills.
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In theory, sure. But again the question is--what NBA team is actually interested in offering anything of value in exchange for him?
 
With the new CBA teams are tapped out in the free agency market and can sign former rotation players on minimum contracts and one year deels now. I don't see them lining up for Grant or Simons but if I were to guess....Simons would be the first to go. There are a couple of teams that need a point guard but have nothing we want really in return unless it's draft capital.
 
Samuel said:
If I were looking for a Simons team i’d start with a team featuring a jumbo 2-way point guard that Ant could play off of in the starting lineup that also has decent wing and rim defense behind.

outside of that, it’s a competitive rookie scale-laden team with an established backcourt but needs scoring/shooting off the bench.

(Yeah I’m not sure either team exists and if they do, if they’re a natural trade partner; for #1, Detroit? For #2, Orlando?)
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Orlando, obviously, until they essentially landed KCP for 'free'

Dallas with Doncic until they added Kyrie

Detroit?....I guess, maybe, but only because what they are doing doesn't make much sense

IMO, this 'Simons as a 27M/year no-defense 6th man' idea isn't going to appeal to any team. That would have to be a playoff team and none of them would be in a position to absorb that kind of luxury
 
wizenheimer said:
Orlando, obviously, until they essentially landed KCP for 'free'

Dallas with Doncic until they added Kyrie

Detroit?....I guess, maybe, but only because what they are doing doesn't make much sense

IMO, this 'Simons as a 27M/year no-defense 6th man' idea isn't going to appeal to any team. That would have to be a playoff team and none of them would be in a position to absorb that kind of luxury
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Pairing Simons with Cade makes some sense.
 
beast crnjo said:
25 mil for a player of his scoring talent is a good contract, not to mention he's got legit PG skills.
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it's nearly 27M/year by the way

the problem is that if you look at teams that might have had an interest is Simons as a starter, it would have (probably) been Dallas, before they added Kyrie, and Orlando, before they added KCP. Other than those two teams, I can't really see any others that would be willing to pay much at all for Simons

I know the Spurs have been mentioned, but they have a loaded back court with Vassell, Keldon Johnson, CP3, Stephon Castle, Tre Jones, and Malaki Branham. Another team that has been mentioned is Detroit, but their back court is pretty full with Cunningham, Hardaway Jr., Jaden Ivey, Ausar Thompson, Malik Beasely, and Marcus Sasser

as far as any team that might be willing to consider Ant as a PG I'd wonder if the Pelican's experience with the 'CJ-at-PG' experiment has shut down that market

and the notion of Ant as a 6th man falls apart, IMO, with the reality of that 27M/year salary and his undersized no-defense flaws. Maybe the Blazers might be willing to experiment but no other team would want to
 
ant said:
Pairing Simons with Cade makes some sense.
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ok...it might make some sense if you stretched imagination a little; but I can't see it making nearly enough sense to the Pistons that they'd fork over a 1st round pick that didn't have substantial protections. By the way, the earliest 1st round pick Detroit has available is 2029...lol...there's that draft again
 
So what I am hearing is Joe will have to give them away for next to nothing. OR just keep them and run it back like last year and purgatory continues? I still think the latter is what the team will do. Play hard as you can until the trade deadline then shut down the starters and tank. Sound familiar?
 
Cugel said:
So what I am hearing is Joe will have to give them away for next to nothing. OR just keep them and run it back like last year and purgatory continues? I still think the latter is what the team will do. Play hard as you can until the trade deadline then shut down the starters and tank. Sound familiar?
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Huh?
 
wizenheimer said:
ok...it might make some sense if you stretched imagination a little; but I can't see it making nearly enough sense to the Pistons that they'd fork over a 1st round pick that didn't have substantial protections. By the way, the earliest 1st round pick Detroit has available is 2029...lol...there's that draft again
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Makes sense in that Cade is a big PG and they can really use Ant’s shooting.

But yeah, no draft assets. But lots of young talent like Ausar/Ivey.
 
IF the Blazers just wanted to "dump" one of them they could have accepted a crappy Laker trade by now so that thinking is flawed as hell. Also as much shit as I give Cronin he is playing the Grant and maybe Ant trade situations perfectly cause they are worth more then cast off parts and a late 1st round pick. As much as I do think Grant more then Ant need to be gone before the season starts I want any trade to make sense and not be another Clipper BS trade or the CJ trade where the Blazers only got like 70 to 80% of the value in return. -- FACT
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Also as much shit as I give Cronin he is playing the Grant and maybe Ant trade situations perfectly cause they are worth more then cast off parts and a late 1st round pick.
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In my mind, there are two ways to assess a player's value--value on the market, and value to the team:
  • On the open market, they are worth precisely what they return. If no team wants to give up 2 firsts, then it's fallacious to claim that those players are worth that.
  • To the Blazers franchise, are you certain that Ant and Grant are worth more than castoff parts and a late 1st?
Exactly what value do Simons and Grant provide to the Blazers? Given that we aren't pursuing the playoffs this season, their value to the Blazers' future is the only thing that's relevant. Do you think either of them figure in to their future plans? That they could contribute to the Blazers' success when they start trying in a couple years? Or that either player is a benefit to the young players we're developing?

My conclusion: If there isn't a team out there that is willing to give 2 firsts for Grant, then I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a package of Rui/Vincent/1 FRP is actually worth more to the Blazers' future than Grant is.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
In my mind, there are two ways to assess a player's value--value on the market, and value to the team:
  • On the open market, they are worth precisely what they return. If no team wants to give up 2 firsts, then it's fallacious to claim that those players are worth that.
  • To the Blazers franchise, are you certain that Ant and Grant are worth more than castoff parts and a late 1st?
Exactly what value do Simons and Grant provide to the Blazers? Given that we aren't pursuing the playoffs this season, their value to the Blazers' future is the only thing that's relevant. Do you think either of them figure in to their future plans? That they could contribute to the Blazers' success when they start trying in a couple years? Or that either player is a benefit to the young players we're developing?

My conclusion: If there isn't a team out there that is willing to give 2 firsts for Grant, then I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a package of Rui/Vincent/1 FRP is actually worth more to the Blazers' future than Grant is.
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Or you can take the Morey/Simmons approach of just sitting them and waiting for opposing teams' valuations to match yours...
 
ant said:
Makes sense in that Cade is a big PG and they can really use Ant’s shooting.

But yeah, no draft assets. But lots of young talent like Ausar/Ivey.
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BUT: they won't give up Ausar and we don't want Ivey.

Plus their new GM's #1 stated goal is to improve their defense, and if that's your goal you don't trade for Anfernee.

I was hopeful they'd take Jerami back so that they'd at least reach the salary floor, but they went with Harris instead.
 
I think Fentress is wrong: I think both of them will be in training camp with the plan to pump up their value and dump them by the trade deadline.
 
Fentress is rarely correct. My guess is he got his information from a message board and is stating what many think.
If Joe wanted to leak that information, (to create inquiries) he is going to Woj.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Fentress is rarely correct. My guess is he got his information from a message board and is stating what many think.
If Joe wanted to leak that information, (to create inquiries) he is going to Woj.
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I would suspect Joe has no loveloss for Fentress after the Dame to MIA debacle.
 
wizenheimer said:
IMO, this 'Simons as a 27M/year no-defense 6th man' idea isn't going to appeal to any team
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I’m not sure either of those team archetypes exist at all. But I will say that the Blazers are a verifiably terrible team and contract aside, Ant would probably look better with a shot diet of open looks vs taking the hardest shots in the league on average.
 
credit Mike from Locked on Blazers. He drifted into enemy territory, and sold Jerami Grant hard to the Locked on Lakers guys. I left the pod believing Jerami Grant is an MVP candidate on a salary cap friendly contract.
 
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