Plausible destinations for our vets?

[UKRAINEFAN]

Honestly not holding my breath regarding any deals until these are all expiring contracts, save Timelord and Thybulle.

I keep having hope for Simons. Hoping the pizza man can be right about a deal with Orlando.

 

[RR7]

I've seen a few times that people want to take on other teams' bad contracts for picks. I think maybe it'd help some not complain every single day about the same things if you then consider that we took on Ayton's bad money to get Camara(a draft pick). Camara's looking like an All Defensive team wing. Pretend we took on Ayton for that and it feels quite a bit better.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Sure but you said having them was pointless and I don't think that is true.

Well maybe I should say not having them would have provided more value to the Blazers than we got by having them?

If we did not have them we could've used that salary room to take on a Harrison Barnes type of vet and get a pick. Thats what smart franchises like the Thunder and Spurs have done during rebuilds.

Seems like were splitting hairs on rhetoric.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

 

[Cugel]

Calling bs.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Calling bs.

It can't be BS - the odds are whatever the odds are. If you think one is way undervalued put some of your cash on it.

Now they don't have PDX listed as this is only a bet contingent on IF ANT is traded. For all we know expectations with this bet are 99.9% that Ant will remain a Blazer.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Well maybe I should say not having them would have provided more value to the Blazers than we got by having them?

If we did not have them we could've used that salary room to take on a Harrison Barnes type of vet and get a pick. Thats what smart franchises like the Thunder and Spurs have done during rebuilds.

Seems like were splitting hairs on rhetoric.

I am not trying to nitpick your post, this is for discussion purposes only. But we won't really need to add an 18-million-dollar Harrison Barnes-type vet for a few years. What would be nice is to have assets available in case another Pascal Siakam situation occurs, where we need to match a better player's salary that is 30+ million. And after tanking yet again this year, next year might be a good time to do it. (assuming we move Grant this year)

 

[Phatguysrule]

I've seen a few times that people want to take on other teams' bad contracts for picks. I think maybe it'd help some not complain every single day about the same things if you then consider that we took on Ayton's bad money to get Camara(a draft pick). Camara's looking like an All Defensive team wing. Pretend we took on Ayton for that and it feels quite a bit better.

That's exactly what I do with Ayton. I'm happy with that deal.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I am not trying to nitpick your post, this is for discussion purposes only. But we won't really need to add an 18-million-dollar Harrison Barnes-type vet for a few years. What would be nice is to have assets available in case another Pascal Siakam situation occurs, where we need to match a better player's salary that is 30+ million. And after tanking yet again this year, next year might be a good time to do it. (assuming we move Grant this year)

It's not Harrison Barnes the player I wanted - its the pick that the Spurs got for eating his contract.

We still would always have contracts to match in later trades. The Spurs, Thunder, Jazz, Rockets, Nets, Magic, etc have had contracts to match up in trades every year. The difference is they received draft picks to take on those irrelevant veterans instead of blowing that salary space as the Blazers did on Thybulle/Ayton/Simons type players, or shipping out picks to pay Grant $160 million.

 

[blazerkor]

I would get the FRP for Jerami, I would try and get a FRP for Rob, I would try and get Black, Anthony and one of Orlando's two 2025 FRPs for Ant and Dalano and then I'd take as many of those picks as it takes (probably only two) and send those with Deandre to the Pelicans for Zion. We need to swing big and Zion is a huge risk but the reward on that risk is exactly what we're in place to make a play for. If Zion is never healthy then we struck out but we struck out during a time when we aren't winning anyway.

I would hope that our team gets Zion on a program to change his body and really address his upper leg muscle issues, have Zion work on that the rest of this season and then start playing him next season.

 

[Cugel]

We need to start a countdown timer for all of the bad contracts until they are expirings. Its gonna be a long few years. WTF Joe signed JG for another go round is beyond. Me.
Best hope that DA has some sort of spiritual awakening that alters his attitude and outlook on the game and how he plays it. It kills me when people on a team don't give 110%. I just dont get it.

 

[B-Roy]

I would get the FRP for Jerami, I would try and get a FRP for Rob, I would try and get Black, Anthony and one of Orlando's two 2025 FRPs for Ant and Dalano and then I'd take as many of those picks as it takes (probably only two) and send those with Deandre to the Pelicans for Zion. We need to swing big and Zion is a huge risk but the reward on that risk is exactly what we're in place to make a play for. If Zion is never healthy then we struck out but we struck out during a time when we aren't winning anyway.

I would hope that our team gets Zion on a program to change his body and really address his upper leg muscle issues, have Zion work on that the rest of this season and then start playing him next season.

You'd be lucky to get 1/4th of what you're asking for LMFAO.

 

[RR7]

It's not Harrison Barnes the player I wanted - its the pick that the Spurs got for eating his contract.

We still would always have contracts to match in later trades. The Spurs, Thunder, Jazz, Rockets, Nets, Magic, etc have had contracts to match up in trades every year. The difference is they received draft picks to take on those irrelevant veterans instead of blowing that salary space as the Blazers did on Thybulle/Ayton/Simons type players, or shipping out picks to pay Grant $160 million.

We took on Ayton to get Camara. They took on Barnes to get a swap 7 years from now.

 

[blazerkor]

You'd be lucky to get 1/4th of what you're asking for LMFAO.

So you don't think the Lakers give up a FRP for Jerami? I think that one is a given. I think that the Magic likely want/need an offensive threat like Ant and could use somebody like Dalano... I think Anthony Black and Cole Anthony likely wouldn't be enough to get Ant and Dalano. If I had to include second round picks in these deals to get a FRP back, I'd do it.

Honestly if we get a FRP for Jerami, we could then just trade that pick, the worst out of our three 2029 FRPs and Deandre for Zion.

If we came away from this deadline with Zion, Anthony Black, Cole Anthony and ended up with a net neutral in FRPs, I'd be happy... even if it meant giving up some second rounders.

The question I have for you is what does 1/4th of the return on any of those deals look like??? Is Rob only worth a fourth of a FRP? Is Jerami only worth a fourth of a FRP? Are Ant and Dalano only worth a fourth of Black, Anthony and a FRP? And is Deandre and two firsts worth only a fourth of Zion???

I'm not laughing my fucking ass off, I'm serious. How the fuck are the guys that I said to trade only worth a fourth of the return, hell I'll be impressed if you can tell me why you think Jerami is only worth half of the return I'm asking for.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I would get the FRP for Jerami, I would try and get a FRP for Rob, I would try and get Black, Anthony and one of Orlando's two 2025 FRPs for Ant and Dalano and then I'd take as many of those picks as it takes (probably only two) and send those with Deandre to the Pelicans for Zion. We need to swing big and Zion is a huge risk but the reward on that risk is exactly what we're in place to make a play for. If Zion is never healthy then we struck out but we struck out during a time when we aren't winning anyway.

I would hope that our team gets Zion on a program to change his body and really address his upper leg muscle issues, have Zion work on that the rest of this season and then start playing him next season.

First off I'd love to get these FRP - all the articles posted today basically show our vets don't have any of that value any longer.

Secondly even if Zion is healthy and 100% next year where does that get our team?

We'd have a rookie who is going to make mistakes. Yes Zion healthy is impressive but he can't do it on his own. We'd have lost all the contributions of Ant/Delano/Grant/Rob. Instead of 13/14th in the West were probably 10th or 11th.

I'm fine with taking a flyer on Zion - but it should be a pure reclamation project and not sending out multiple FRP.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

So you don't think the Lakers give up a FRP for Jerami?

No, Rui is a superior player.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think that the Magic likely want/need an offensive threat like Ant and could use somebody like Dalano... I think Anthony Black and Cole Anthony likely wouldn't be enough to get Ant and Dalano. If I had to include second round picks in these deals to get a FRP back, I'd do it.

I think we'd have to send out the pick to get Anthony Black and Cole Anthony, LOL.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The question I have for you is what does 1/4th of the return on any of those deals look like??? Is Rob only worth a fourth of a FRP? Is Jerami only worth a fourth of a FRP? Are Ant and Dalano only worth a fourth of Black, Anthony and a FRP? And is Deandre and two firsts worth only a fourth of Zion???

I'm not laughing my fucking ass off, I'm serious. How the fuck are the guys that I said to trade only worth a fourth of the return, hell I'll be impressed if you can tell me why you think Jerami is only worth half of the return I'm asking for.

The problem is spelled out in the Athletic - its that all of Grant/Ayton/Ant make too much money. Contenders don't have salary space to add these players. Teams that aren't contenders don't want them.

If Grant was earning the minimum for 5 years he'd fetch multiple FRP. So it's not that the players have no value on the court. Its that they have little value in relation to their salary.

 

[blazedanugz]

No, Rui is a superior player.

Rui is a superior player to Grant???

 

[B-Roy]

So you don't think the Lakers give up a FRP for Jerami? I think that one is a given. I think that the Magic likely want/need an offensive threat like Ant and could use somebody like Dalano... I think Anthony Black and Cole Anthony likely wouldn't be enough to get Ant and Dalano. If I had to include second round picks in these deals to get a FRP back, I'd do it.

Honestly if we get a FRP for Jerami, we could then just trade that pick, the worst out of our three 2029 FRPs and Deandre for Zion.

If we came away from this deadline with Zion, Anthony Black, Cole Anthony and ended up with a net neutral in FRPs, I'd be happy... even if it meant giving up some second rounders.

The question I have for you is what does 1/4th of the return on any of those deals look like??? Is Rob only worth a fourth of a FRP? Is Jerami only worth a fourth of a FRP? Are Ant and Dalano only worth a fourth of Black, Anthony and a FRP? And is Deandre and two firsts worth only a fourth of Zion???

I'm not laughing my fucking ass off, I'm serious. How the fuck are the guys that I said to trade only worth a fourth of the return, hell I'll be impressed if you can tell me why you think Jerami is only worth half of the return I'm asking for.

I'm not really going to get into it. I think your trades are rose colored delusional (especially the Ant trade). I'll wait to see what we actually get.

 

[blazerkor]

No, Rui is a superior player.

I'm not going to argue this stuff with you because you may be right about perception but Rui is a worse player than Jerami, he's just asked to do a helluva lot less and this season has better efficiency because of it.

You've been super low on all of our players this season. You pick the articles that support your stance like the Athletic article and you ignore the stuff that Shams says because it doesn't suit your narrative. Again, you could be right and I hope you're wrong... I'm sure you do too.

 

[blazerkor]

I'm not really going to get into it. I think your trades are rose colored delusional (especially the Ant trade). I'll wait to see what we actually get.

I'm just hoping, even if you're right and they have less value than I think, that we get at least Ant and Jerami traded. So I know we'll wait but I'm just hoping we'll see what we can get for those guys.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

If we ever had a first on the table we should've jumped at that deal. I was shocked there were so many posters here in the summer saying that Cronin needed to hold out for two FRP or such.

Really concerned that we are going to be stuck with Grants $160 million contract for the full 5 years.

Will be super annoying to watch him in a Blazers uniform in 2028 earning $36.4 million.

The worst would be we can't/don't trade either Ant or Ayton before their contracts expire and we resign them because management doesn't want to lose them for "nothing".

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I would get the FRP for Jerami, I would try and get a FRP for Rob, I would try and get Black, Anthony and one of Orlando's two 2025 FRPs for Ant and Dalano and then I'd take as many of those picks as it takes (probably only two) and send those with Deandre to the Pelicans for Zion. We need to swing big and Zion is a huge risk but the reward on that risk is exactly what we're in place to make a play for. If Zion is never healthy then we struck out but we struck out during a time when we aren't winning anyway.

I would hope that our team gets Zion on a program to change his body and really address his upper leg muscle issues, have Zion work on that the rest of this season and then start playing him next season.

No. Just no.

Zion has missed the majority of his career. He is not quite Greg Oden, but isn't far behind.

Wonderful when he can play, but you never know when that will be and you definitely can't count on him being around.

Just no.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Rui is a superior player to Grant???

Rui is younger, on a cheaper contract, shoots much better from 3, shoots better from 2, much better rebounder.

I just don't see an "upgrade" from Rui to Grant being worth the $160 million Grant contract plus sending us FRP plus other players.

I guess we will see what happens.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The worst would be we can't/don't trade either Ant or Ayton before their contracts expire and we resign them because management doesn't want to lose them for "nothing".

Yeah - same thing we heard when signed before.... LMAO

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm not going to argue this stuff with you because you may be right about perception but Rui is a worse player than Jerami, he's just asked to do a helluva lot less and this season has better efficiency because of it.

You've been super low on all of our players this season. You pick the articles that support your stance like the Athletic article and you ignore the stuff that Shams says because it doesn't suit your narrative. Again, you could be right and I hope you're wrong... I'm sure you do too.

Yes I've got continually more pessimistic of our veteran trade worth over the last year+.

First with the inaction from Cronin for constructing this flawed dual timeline roster that continually makes no sense going back to the day Dame was traded.

Secondly from our vets all having much worse performance this season statistically than in their careers - as well as the Blazers team losing so much. Other teams will at the least see all the same data we see.

Yeah I hope I'm wrong and our vets are all traded for some collection of multiple picks or a Zion type of player. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[blazedanugz]

Rui is younger, on a cheaper contract, shoots much better from 3, shoots better from 2, much better rebounder.

I just don't see an "upgrade" from Rui to Grant being worth the $160 million Grant contract plus sending us FRP plus other players.

I guess we will see what happens.

contract has nothing to do with who is the superior basketball player and I would bet my left nut not one person in the NBA thinks Rui is a better player than jerami Grant. That’s actually one of the worst takes I’ve ever heard on this platform and I’ve been around a pretty long time.

I appreciate your enthusiasm for the team but boy…

 

[inconceivable]

Lakers would be salivating if they can swap Hachimura with Grant

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yes I've got continually more pessimistic of our veteran trade worth over the last year+.

First with the inaction from Cronin for constructing this flawed dual timeline roster that continually makes no sense going back to the day Dame was traded.

Secondly from our vets all having much worse performance this season statistically than in their careers - as well as the Blazers team losing so much. Other teams will at the least see all the same data we see.

Yeah I hope I'm wrong and our vets are all traded for some collection of multiple picks or a Zion type of player. I'll believe it when I see it.

I want the picks, not a Zion type player.