Plausible destinations for our vets?

[beast blazer]

It isn't hard to be a better person. Especially when it has such a negative connotation with our most vulnerable. Do better.

We have different ideas of what being a good person is. Lefties think empty virtue signalling and adhering to the edicts of certain ideologues make them virtuous. I think it makes you weak and pathetic.

We're not even talking about being mean to people, under your ideology it's wrong to even say something like "Flame retardant".

 

[BIG Q]

We have different ideas of what being a good person is. Lefties think empty virtue signalling and adhering to the edicts of certain ideologues make them virtuous. I think it makes you weak and pathetic.

Ohhh, you worked some Jack Nicholson in there!

 

[beast blazer]

Ohhh, you worked some Jack Nicholson in there!

Ah, did you read it in Jack's voice?

 

[BIG Q]

Spoken like someone that doesn't see the affect these words have on folks, nor cares.

Stop projecting. You have no idea what anyone on this board cares about. What they do, what they did. The horrors they witnessed, the horrors they have remedied. Their charitable contributions, their selfless work for mankind. The children they have raised, other peoples children they have raised. You are offensive.

 

[BIG Q]

Ah, did you read it in Jack's voice?

Absolutely! That, was, awesome!

 

[BIG Q]

Or I can just continue to call out people for using that word since I see the damage it can cause.

You just don't get it. Using the word "insane" is not offensive. Calling someone insane is offensive. That is how this SJW project of yours started here. The fact a member of this board struggles with insanity, while unfortunate, is not call to ban a common word. I think it is insane you do not see this. Am I wrong? No. I could have used the word "crazy," which I am sure is an equally offensive word when used out of context or as a slur. Point being, every member has life experiences, good, bad, indifferent. But I do not know one single person here. I have met some when I lived in Portland. I have no idea what words might offend them. They have no idea what words might offend me, or you. But common sense says to move along when no malice is intended. It is the true narcisscist that wants to create chaos when none is there. I have no need, want or desire to engage people with my life experiences when nothing offending occurred.

 

[wizenheimer]

this all started when I quoted Einstein

 

[Rastapopoulos]

What "camp" someone falls in is none of your concern, especially for someone with mod powers. The poster was not engaged in political banter. But you seem to be and are looking to push an agenda. Words have meanings. 150 years ago when certain people were called retarded, it was because the word most aptly described their condition. It's only been seen as a slur because the word became part of the public lexicon. You can make up any descriptive word or words you want to describe this set of people, but in 50 years that too will be deemed offensive and another mod will be trying to change language. Try being as tolerant of other people and other views as you want them to be to conform to your world view. And though my experience with this set of people might be different from yours and others, I grew up around Fairview Mental Institution as it was known then. Why, because the words aptly described the place. My Grandmother worked at Snell Hall on the top of the hill for 35 years. Here I am almost 60 and can tell you the name of the building where she worked. I know what that place was all about. But then that would be getting into politics and I would have to bring up the Kennedy's, Special Olympics and guilt. Let people be, nobody crossed a line. Damn.

Now defend the 'N' word.

 

[BIG Q]

Irregardless of all of that, it is pretty easy to try to protect our most vulnerable.

Everyone here is vulnerable to varying degrees. Get that through your head. Nobody called anyone here insane or retarded. You called someone an asshole. Nobody has said that vulnerable groups don't need protection. But words don't get it done. I think it is insane to have this diatribe with you. What is offensive about that? What word should I use in place of insane? Then, how do I know that is your preferred safe word? We are not walking around with your personal thesaurus. In all of this you have not asked me what words I personally find abhorrent. Why, because you and nobody else cares. Instead of SJW'ing us, do some volunteer work for the vulnerable. Donate, donate, donate. I do, for my causes. But I don't unnecessarily burden you with my day to day. And you might volunteer and donate, I do not know. Do not care. I just want to tal

I'm not sure where you decided that was the word I was defending. While I feel for Speed, I'll let him fight his own fight there and express his battle. The R word is the one I've been calling out as it is something I have directly seen the affects and damage it can cause.

I understood your direction. Nobody used the R word. Somebody used the word "insane." Speed found it his place to interject his life experiences, WHICH NOBODY HERE KNOWS. I too feel for him in this regard. But the word was not being used in an offending manner. Then another poster said that they would like the R word to be banned, which was never used, in order to validate Speeds problem with the word "insane." I am sure everyone here agrees that the words insane or retarded should not be used as slurs. My daughter volunteers with "Special Needs" kids at school. She is often asked by her peers why she "air quotes" "works with them?" They use air quotes when describing special needs kids. Are we soon banning those words as well and coming up with new ones? This whole exercise is RIDICULOUS. I used the word ridiculous in place of insane and crazy. Two words that are perfect descriptors. Had I used retarded, it would have been the incorrect word usage, and thus offensive. Retarding is actually the slowing of a musical piece. The key being slowing. When used as a descriptor of people, the word can be apt, but out of context. It's over usage obviously made it a slur. Special Needs has no previous meaning so is not being used out of context. But let's not pretend it is not becoming a slur as well. I don't have the answer as to why, or the remedy. I am done with this hopefully. Keep doing the good work.

 

[BIG Q]

this all started when I quoted Einstein

Exactly! Soon we will be banning him. Sorry.

 

[blazerkor]

Holy shit! What in the fuck does any of this have to do with where our players with more experience might end up???

Personally I think it's ridiculous when grown people, usually men, whine about having to stop using words that they knew were disrespectful all along (insanity in a general sense not being one of them). Better yet is when the same people whine about it when they choose to keep using disrespectful words and get called out on it. People telling you that it's unacceptable for you to use words that used to be acceptable is just them using their freedom of speech and unless you're getting thrown in prison for it, you're not being censored. If someone finds a word you use offensive, why don't you stop being a snowflake and letting their offense hurt your feelings. Just accept that boorishness has always had consequences and suck it up.

Honestly there has to be a better place for this conversation because it has nothing to do with the Blazers or more specifically "plausible destinations for our vets". @JFizzleRaider it might be time for you to take this shit to the OT because most of us don't click on a thread in the main forum about player movement to read this sort of shit, be it political or philosophical.

 

[BIG Q]

Now defend the 'N' word.

It is not defendable. It is derived from the word negro, which means black. A word that in Spanish means, wait for it, black. It is the only word that they use describe the color black still. So when it permutated into the American Lexicon it was a slur from the beginning. It has always been a slur. You know this, I know this, but you are just trying to be cute, implying I am uncaring, insensitive or uneducated. Try tolerance. You know nothing of me. I know nothing of you other than you try to be cute with language. You have some good basketball takes.

 

[Foxx]

Woke up to check in… realized there’s enough woke in here I may never need sleep again

 

[SheedSoNasty]

So…. Are we shipping our vets to the Lakers so that they can get better now and us later?

 

[blazerkor]

So…. Are we shipping our vets to the Lakers so that they can get better now and us later?

Seems like a plausible situation for the only guy left on our roster who should actually be called a vet.

I think Ant and Deandre are better defined as young players who maybe have shown where their ceilings are but could probably eek out just a little more production than they've shown to this point. I still think they're both win now players who are slotted to play in front of guys who we hope have higher ceilings and therefore should be being shopped but we should have less of a sense of urgency to cash in on any value they have than we do with Jerami who almost definitely isn't going to improve his trade value and if we wait until next off season could have even less trade value.

 

[wizenheimer]

Seems like a plausible situation for the only guy left on our roster who should actually be called a vet.

I think Ant and Deandre are better defined as young players who maybe have shown where their ceilings are but could probably eek out just a little more production than they've shown to this point. I still think they're both win now players who are slotted to play in front of guys who we hope have higher ceilings and therefore should be being shopped but we should have less of a sense of urgency to cash in on any value they have than we do with Jerami who almost definitely isn't going to improve his trade value and if we wait until next off season could have even less trade value.

Ant, Ayton, and Timelord have all been in the league 6 years. They will be entering their 7th seasons, 3 years removed from their rookie scale deals. The average age of an NBA player is 26.03; average age of an NBA rookie is 19.5; the average number of years in an NBA career is 4.5. Timelord is 26.75; Ayton will be 26 in 10 days; Ant turned 25 six weeks ago (Thybulle turned 27 four months ago)

all of those players are veterans. Ayton is already at the average age; Ant will be in less than a year. Calling them young players seems like a real stretch. They would be young for the PGA tour; not so much for the NBA

 

[Pinwheel1]

Ant, Ayton, and Timelord have all been in the league 6 years. They will be entering their 7th seasons, 3 years removed from their rookie scale deals. The average age of an NBA player is 26.03; average age of an NBA rookie is 19.5; the average number of years in an NBA career is 4.5. Timelord is 26.75; Ayton will be 26 in 10 days; Ant turned 25 six weeks ago (Thybulle turned 27 four months ago)

all of those players are veterans. Ayton is already at the average age; Ant will be in less than a year. Calling them young players seems like a real stretch. They would be young for the PGA tour; not so much for the NBA

Yeah, I would not categorize them as young, but most consider an NBA player's prime years between 27 and 31....so at least they haven't peaked yet.

 

[Foxx]

Seems like a plausible situation for the only guy left on our roster who should actually be called a vet.

I think Ant and Deandre are better defined as young players who maybe have shown where their ceilings are but could probably eke out just a little more production than they've shown to this point. I still think they're both win now players who are slotted to play in front of guys who we hope have higher ceilings and therefore should be being shopped but we should have less of a sense of urgency to cash in on any value they have than we do with Jerami who almost definitely isn't going to improve his trade value and if we wait until next off season could have even less trade value.

I don’t necessarily agree that DA and Ant are both objectively “slotted” in higher than guys with higher potential than them. For two reasons, I think the 3 guard lineup works for us - so now that Malcolm’s gone I see our situation quite well: secondly I see DA and DC playing a lot together.

I actually really love our roster construction atm particularly after we trade JG. Someone with less needs such as Rui would probably work better here anyway.

 

[wizenheimer]

Yeah, I would not categorize them as young, but most consider an NBA player's prime years between 27 and 31....so at least they haven't peaked yet.

sure

statistically, Dame's best season came when he was 32, although it may have been when he was 29. But when players get to be 25-27, generally they can continue to improve, incrementally, but it's rare for there to be any significant leap upward. Ant and Ayton have very likely established their baseline production and efficiency

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Jalen Brunson - Age: 27-317d
De'Aaron Fox - Age: 26-206d)
Jayson Tatum - Age: 26-132d
SGA - Age: 26-001d
Deandre Ayton - (Age: 25-356d
Luka Doncic - Age: 25-136d)
Anfernee Simons - Age: 25-035d
Jaren Jackson Jr. - Age: 24-302d
Haliburton - Age: 24-135d
Tyrese Maxey - Age: 23-252d
Jalen Williams - Age: 23-090d
Anthony Edwards - Age: 22-343d
Franz Wagner - Age: 22-321d
Alperen Sengun - Age: 21-354d
Paolo Banchero - Age: 21-244d

 

[Cugel]

I think the “big three” are the same as last year: Ayton, Ant and Grant. I just don’t see Joe moving Ant or Grant. Nobody is giving 2 good frps for 3rd or 4th options.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

https://lakeshowlife.com/posts/3-outside-box-trade-targets-lakers-pivot-pursuing/3

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Testify!

 

[LayneStaley]

Blazer Fans and Oregonians in general are pretty tame in comparison to a lot of fan bases(like my beloved Raiders for example),reading all this makes me wonder how nasty some Knicks or Nets forums get.

 

[Samuel]

I think the “big three” are the same as last year: Ayton, Ant and Grant. I just don’t see Joe moving Ant or Grant. Nobody is giving 2 good frps for 3rd or 4th options.

I think they'd be happy with one unprotected first and a young-ish player they like.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think they'd be happy with one unprotected first and a young-ish player they like.

if your team had the potential to be a top-4 pick, would you want them to trade that for Grant or Simons?

 

[Samuel]

if your team had the potential to be a top-4 pick, would you want them to trade that for Grant or Simons?

Usually teams have a pretty good sense of whether they're going to be good or not in a particular year. Using the Lakers as an example, Pelinka's reticence to deal tells you that they know they're going to suck in a few years.

Jerami Grant this year is better than a #15 pick, no? (a lottery-protected pick)

If you drafted at 15, you'd be lucky to get someone who does what Jerami Grant did last year.

If Atlanta offered Portland Kobe Bufkin for Grant, you'd say no, right?

Charlotte with Mark Williams?

Washington with Corey Kispert?

Orlando with Cole Anthony?

I'd probably say the same thing about a pick with top 8 protections, too. In an average draft, Jerami Grant is giving you more than that pick.

 

[LayneStaley]

We need to find some soon. I feel like we have logjams everywhere.

Ant/Scoot
Sharpe/Banton
Deni/Thybulle/Camara
Grant/Walker/Murray
Ayton/Clingan/Reath/RWIII

Rupert/Minaya/McGowens

Forgetting anyone? I think there is zero chance we don’t trade a Center.

 

[LayneStaley]

Ant/Grant/Tbybulle/Reath seem like the obvious guys. I think 2 get moved.

 

[inconceivable]

Ant/Grant/Tbybulle/Reath seem like the obvious guys. I think 2 get moved.

Grant for sure

With Brogdon out, Scoot / Sharpe / Ant will have playing time

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Testify!

Interesting that one thinks Simons has a reasonable salary for his production and the other thinks Grant does also.