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Rastapopoulos said:
I hate this lineup but we would certainly lose a lot of games with it, which I guess is this year's goal. But it seems unlikely given that it requires one of Jerami, Avdija or Ayton sitting.
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It isn't for full time duty man, it a switch it up, fuck around deal that Chauncey is great at. Look at how many combo's Stotts fucked around with early on.
I dont prefer small ball, Id rather have tall players that can do both score and defend. And, all players have downside to their games.
 
Foxx said:
Idk if I see starting Shae as some major deal. We’re better off with one of the three guards embracing super 6th/7th man, he’s still gonna get his minutes. Seems like the most quiet and humble dude in the world, probably doesn’t care right now if he gets his PT still.

All three guards starting means someone is out of position, not a good idea while we actually have a deep squad at each position.

Scoot/Dalano / Ant
Ant / Shae / Rupert
Deni/ Shae/ Toumani / Murray
JG / Toumani / Jabari/ DA
DA / DC / Reath or Jabari

at the end of the day, it’s gonna be a lot of shuffling anyway but I think day one rotation shakes out something like this. Didn’t even bother with Matisse cause I can’t stand his game even if he did survive the offseason sry. Timelord tbd..

if and when we trade Jerami, I’m expecting toumani starts at 4. Splits position with Jabari primarily. Everything else applies. I think we keep Ant since his value is by far higher to us than anyone else and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
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I like your post, but I would most definitely start Sharpe at SG. He has the size and the talent to be a two-way player.

I think all three are pretty humble, and would all accept a role coming off the bench assuming they still get enough minutes.
Chauncey just needs to explain his rationale to them. But for me, that should not affect Shae. He needs to start at SG

You could bring Ant off the bench, (my preference) or start him and take him out early so he can start the 2nd quarter.
But that will depend on how Scoot looks in fall camp. He needs to deserve to start.
 
I know it seems that we're now staring again at a roster that makes no sense at all but I'm really thinking there is a good chance (maybe like 1 in 3) that we have another really active September. I still think that the Lakers will end up with Jerami. I think if they give up an unprotected first, a second and guys who could be flipped like DLo and Vando then Joe would move off of his reported minimum of two FRPs.

I also think Highkin is probably our best insider on our team's beat at this point and he's probably right that the team is waiting to see what they get back for Jerami and then will start to really pursue Ant trades. Again I'm only giving it a 33% chance of both Jerami and Ant being on other teams when the season starts. I think it's probably a little better than 50% that one of them will have been moved by then.

So I think Jerami's most plausible destination is the Lakers just a little ahead of being here. I think Ant's most plausible destination is here but I think the Spurs would make a lot of sense for him. After drafting Castle, Ant makes a lot of sense in a back court with him and in some pick and roll/pop actions with Wemby. I just think that team needs a shooter. I don't think they'll care about how starting CP3 and Ant might hurt their defense right now. So I could see the Spurs offering Keldon Johnson and let's say the second most preferable of their possible 4 FRPs in the upcoming draft for Ant.
 
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The Kings are among the few teams actually going for it this year, so why not really go for it?
 
blazerkor said:
but I think the Spurs would make a lot of sense for him. After drafting Castle, Ant makes a lot of sense in a back court with him and in some pick and roll/pop actions with Wemby. I just think that team needs a shooter. I don't think they'll care about how starting CP3 and Ant might hurt their defense right now. So I could see the Spurs offering Keldon Johnson and let's say the second most preferable of their possible 4 FRPs in the upcoming draft for Ant.
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I don't know if Ant is a good fit there. They are paying Devin Vassell more than what Simons makes. Do you think they want both?
 
sheed30 said:
Needing to move Simmons for the best draft capital around is dumb as hell. You keep pushing this narrative over and over and repeating yourself over and over lol.
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So you keep saying. Yet I haven't said anything about Simons for a week or two.

We obviously disagree.
 
sheed30 said:
You completely missed the point. Grant and Ant had better usage in less shot attempts in the season they had with Dame.

Basically, if Sharpe and Scoot improve, we can depend less on Ant and Grant, and it opens things up for everyone. Part of the problem last year was not Grant and Ant, is was the poor players around him forcing them to do more than they should.
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And Ant will still be atrocious at defense and Grant will be atrocious at rebounding.

Get ready to count the championships!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I hate this lineup but we would certainly lose a lot of games with it, which I guess is this year's goal. But it seems unlikely given that it requires one of Jerami, Avdija or Ayton sitting.
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Yep. Horrible, unless one of those guys is injured.
 
Sounds like some teams are waiting for Markannan extension deadline to pass around Aug 8th. Maybe we see a Blazer deal shortly after that.

I'd bet Cronin stands pat though and this is our roster to start the season. Will be very disappointing if so
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Sounds like some teams are waiting for Markannan extension deadline to pass around Aug 8th. Maybe we see a Blazer deal shortly after that.

I'd bet Cronin stands pat though and this is our roster to start the season. Will be very disappointing if so
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Why are teams waiting for the extension deadline? Because it takes him out of the equation?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'd bet Cronin stands pat though and this is our roster to start the season. Will be very disappointing if so
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Only disappointing if you expected more. I was pleasantly shocked by the Avdija acquisition. Cronin making zero moves until February would be perfectly in line with his brand.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Only disappointing if you expected more. I was pleasantly shocked by the Avdija acquisition. Cronin making zero moves until February would be perfectly in line with his brand.
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Also perfectly in line with the impact of the new CBA provisions on trades. We're not exactly seeing mass movement of players around the league.
 
e_blazer said:
Also perfectly in line with the impact of the new CBA provisions on trades. We're not exactly seeing mass movement of players around the league.
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Sure, but I think you and I both know that a Grant trade could absolutely have been consummated by now, and I'm sure that there is at least some market for Simons, Thybulle, and Williams.
 
Phatguysrule said:
And Ant will still be atrocious at defense and Grant will be atrocious at rebounding.

Get ready to count the championships!
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So you're one of those...ya let's just ignore all the other positive things they both do, just so you can be a negative nancy and harp on some negatives. btw, Grant plays good defense and is a good piece on any championship team.

And ya mention rebounding, yet we were 12 in the NBA in rebounding as a team....
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Sure, but I think you and I both know that a Grant trade could absolutely have been consummated by now, and I'm sure that there is at least some market for Simons, Thybulle, and Williams.
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I'm sure the Lakers would have taken him if Joe had been willing to accept a second round pick. Glad he's holding out for more. I'm betting that the Lakers will be more accommodating near the deadline.
 
sheed30 said:
So you're one of those...ya let's just ignore all the other positive things they both do, just so you can be a negative nancy and harp on some negatives. btw, Grant plays good defense and is a good piece on any championship team.

And ya mention rebounding, yet we were 12 in the NBA in rebounding as a team....
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Yes, I hold people accountable for their faults. Their weaknesses far over shadow their strengths on this team. Their unwillingness to improve on those specific weaknesses show they are definitely missing something you need if you want a strong foundation.

Sure there are championship caliber teams that could use them. But that's not us.

They don't fit here, and as such should be moved, IMO.

Yes, we probably had a lot more opportunities for rebounds because we missed so many shots and couldn't slow our opponents down.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Why are teams waiting for the extension deadline? Because it takes him out of the equation?
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He can still be traded after his extension deadline, it just makes him an expiring. An extend and trade doesn't make tons of sense for him if he wants the max, because I don't think he can get that on an E&T. He can do a renegotiate and extend with Utah to get the max, but then can't be traded until near the deadline.
 
e_blazer said:
I'm sure the Lakers would have taken him if Joe had been willing to accept a second round pick. Glad he's holding out for more. I'm betting that the Lakers will be more accommodating near the deadline.
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Especially since Lebron and AD are simply killing it on team USA. As a Laker fan you dont want the GM to waste this window.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes, I hold people accountable for their faults. Their weaknesses far over shadow their strengths on this team. Their unwillingness to improve on those specific weaknesses show they are definitely missing something you need if you want a strong foundation.

Sure there are championship caliber teams that could use them. But that's not us.

They don't fit here, and as such should be moved, IMO.

Yes, we probably had a lot more opportunities for rebounds because we missed so many shots and couldn't slow our opponents down.
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Unwillingness? Grant has never been a strong rebounder his whole career. But besides that, he does many great things.

About the team rebounding, you will just pull anything out of your hat and put a negative spin on things. That point you said makes no sense lol

do you ever say anything positive in here? Lol
 
sheed30 said:
Unwillingness? Grant has never been a strong rebounder his whole career. But besides that, he does many great things.

About the team rebounding, you will just pull anything out of your hat and put a negative spin on things. That point you said makes no sense lol

do you ever say anything positive in here? Lol
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More missed shots = more opportunities for rebounds.

Not sure why that confuses you.

There is nothing positive about being a tall player who's bad at rebounding the ball or being incredibly athletic and a very bad defender.

Defense and rebounding win championships because they give you more opportunities to score than the other team.

I'm not in here to play make believe.
 
Phatguysrule said:
More missed shots = more opportunities for rebounds.

Not sure why that confuses you.

There is nothing positive about being a tall player who's bad at rebounding the ball or being incredibly athletic and a very bad defender.

Defense and rebounding win championships because they give you more opportunities to score than the other team.

I'm not in here to play make believe.
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I'm confused by @sheed30's claim that we were 12th in the NBA in rebounding.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024.html

We were 22nd in TRB (19th in TRB/100), and dead-last in DRB. The one area where we did well was offensive rebounding--2nd in total ORB (just 3 behind the Knicks), and 4th in ORB%. So yes, we had more offensive rebound opportunities than most teams, but we also did a better job there than most.

Still, I firmly believe that defensive rebounding is more important (defense is irrelevant if you can't finish the possession), and the Blazers team as a whole was the worst in the league, largely due to Grant's ineptitude.
 
Phatguysrule said:
More missed shots = more opportunities for rebounds.

Not sure why that confuses you.

There is nothing positive about being a tall player who's bad at rebounding the ball or being incredibly athletic and a very bad defender.

Defense and rebounding win championships because they give you more opportunities to score than the other team.

I'm not in here to play make believe.
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More missed shots are not because of those two bro, what are you smoking? Grant was 45% and 40% from 3. Ant was 43% and %39.....you know who was way worse and contributed to those misses you want to talk about?

Scoot at 38% and 32% from 3. Sharpe was 40% and 33%, Sharpe regression in FG%

Grant is a horrble defender? what? come on bro, you the most negative person on this person by a far mile. And you don't make any sense most the time
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm confused by @sheed30's claim that we were 12th in the NBA in rebounding.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024.html

We were 22nd in TRB (19th in TRB/100), and dead-last in DRB. The one area where we did well was offensive rebounding--2nd in total ORB (just 3 behind the Knicks), and 4th in ORB%. So yes, we had more offensive rebound opportunities than most teams, but we also did a better job there than most.

Still, I firmly believe that defensive rebounding is more important (defense is irrelevant if you can't finish the possession), and the Blazers team as a whole was the worst in the league, largely due to Grant's ineptitude.
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This...

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounds-per-game
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm confused by @sheed30's claim that we were 12th in the NBA in rebounding.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024.html

We were 22nd in TRB (19th in TRB/100), and dead-last in DRB. The one area where we did well was offensive rebounding--2nd in total ORB (just 3 behind the Knicks), and 4th in ORB%. So yes, we had more offensive rebound opportunities than most teams, but we also did a better job there than most.

Still, I firmly believe that defensive rebounding is more important (defense is irrelevant if you can't finish the possession), and the Blazers team as a whole was the worst in the league, largely due to Grant's ineptitude.
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Largely? He played 54 of the 82 games.
No doubt he is not a good rebounder. Reminds me of Harkless but with a good 3 pt shot.
Grant is a 6'6.5" (barefoot) 210 SF. He needs to do better, but I don't expect that much more.
 
sheed30 said:
More missed shots are not because of those two bro, what are you smoking? Grant was 45% and 40% from 3. Ant was 43% and %39.....you know who was way worse and contributed to those misses you want to talk about?

Scoot at 38% and 32% from 3. Sharpe was 40% and 33%, Sharpe regression in FG%

Grant is a horrble defender? what? come on bro, you the most negative person on this person by a far mile. And you don't make any sense most the time
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Nobody claimed more missed shots were because of Grant or Ant. That is a point that could possibly be made, but it wasn't.

Nobody said Grant is a horrible defender. I said he's a horrible Ant is a horrible defender.

Nothing makes sense to you because you aren't having an actual conversation, but blindly lashing out at those you disagree with.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Largely? He played 54 of the 82 games.
No doubt he is not a good rebounder. Reminds me of Harkless but with a good 3 pt shot.
Grant is a 6'6.5" (barefoot) 210 SF. He needs to do better, but I don't expect that much more.
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Still, playing only 54 of 82 games, he played the most minutes on the team, and from the PF spot had a lower TRB% than everyone but Thybulle and Mays. So yes, "largely" is accurate.
 
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