Plausible destinations for our vets?

[SharpesTriumph]

I just saw something from SI saying that the Warriors would be interested in Jerami and Rob. It could have been generated by AI that had to write a certain amount of articles and I saw it earlier but can't find it now. Jerami and Rob for Kuminga was the gist but that doesn't work and I don't think it's enough but what about this... and maybe we could find a win now team that would want DLo, we would cut Vincent and Reddish.

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Both GS and the Lakers get worse with this move. Sure I'd much rather have their pieces than our junk, but I see no motivation for either of those teams to do these deals.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

for Simons/Ayton/Thybulle/Timelord? "picks" and/or prospects? Not happening for the first 3. So if Cronin is like you and holding the line, be prepared to watch Simons & Ayton next season too. And then, be prepared for Cronin to re-sign them and burden all of us with gagging on their empty-calorie games for years. I want that possibility eliminated which is a big reason I'd attach 2nd round picks to those two guys just to get them off the team. Addition by subtraction

as for Thybulle, I doubt any team would trade a pick for him and at 12M, I doubt any team would want him, especially considering he hasn't played this season. I still think there's a possibility Thybulle opts out of his contract and signs elsewhere next summer

Timelord? If any team offers a heavily protected 1st and an expiring contract, take it and run. I'm pretty skeptical any team will do that. Especially considering that now, apparently, Timelord has a concussion issue to add to his list of chronic health problems

I think Grant is the only legitimate hope for leveraging a decent 1st round pick. But if Cronin is demanding two 1st's, Grant will be in Portland next season too

Grant and maybe Timelord are the only hopes. Timelord probably in the next few months if he can get a string of healthy games by the deadline (yes probably unlikely)

Still that unlikely health is way more likely to fetch a FRP than the horrible play of Ayton and Ant.

Grant I think could have got a pick back in the summer but sounds like Cronin overplayed his hand and now we might be stuck with him until next off-season and hope he has more value in a future season.

 

[BIG Q]

What an impression Grant left on the Lakers last night. Any wasn’t much better, but never thought he was a Laker target. Luckily there are other teams but these guys have zero value.

 

[beast blazer]

Receive a first round pick??? I'd give up a 2nd round pick to dump either Simons or Ayton.

Giving up 1-2 lottery picks for Deni is about the complete opposite direction of what this franchise should have done since trading Lillard. Yes we should've flipped all the vets for a FRP whenever possible. At this point we probably missed the opportunity of that.

Expecting that we see this Grant/Ant/Ayton horrific big3 trio for the rest of this season but will be pleasantly surprised if we trade any. Will be ecstatic if we can get a FRP - that just doesn't seem realistic. 29 teams are going to do their due diligence before giving up value for these guys and its pretty obvious this season they aren't difference makers even for the worst in the west lottery team.

But Deni is almost like a draft pick, due to his age. A draft pick that isn't a total unknown. So I had no issue with that trade at all. I think we likely found 1/5th of our starting lineup.

 

[Phatguysrule]

But Deni is almost like a draft pick, due to his age. A draft pick that isn't a total unknown. So I had no issue with that trade at all. I think we likely found 1/5th of our starting lineup.

That's a great trade if you have a need at that position once the rest of the roster is already known and you already have enough talent.

That's not the situation we're in. The fact that we may have thought we were ready is concerning.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

But Deni is almost like a draft pick, due to his age. A draft pick that isn't a total unknown. So I had no issue with that trade at all. I think we likely found 1/5th of our starting lineup.

Are we going to find the other 4/5th of our starters in the next 3 years and also have them ready to contend? Seems like that is a one in a million type of chance to all come together so quickly. So at the end of those 3 years Deni will need a large raise if he is still a starting level player here.

Would have been worth doing that type of trade if we were close to being a contender or even if we were just one/two other big moves away as during much of Dame tenure. If we had two established starters and Deni was the 3rd, there are scenarios it could be a good deal. But when you need 4 additional big things to happen it wasn't a good move.

I still think holding onto the vets Cronin has done since the Dame trade are all much worse moves though. At least Deni might still have value to flip in a year or two once its apparent we can't contend with him while he is on his reasonable deal. So at least this is an acquisition with upside, unlike the Ayton acquisition, matching Thybulle, Clippers trade, signing GP2, overpaying Ant/Nurk, etc.

I guess thats where we are with Cronin - his bad moves look decent just because they're not as bad as his REALLY BAD moves.

 

[beast blazer]

That's a great trade if you have a need at that position once the rest of the roster is already known and you already have enough talent.

That's not the situation we're in. The fact that we may have thought we were ready is concerning.

That's like never eating on an empty stomach. You'd never get to a point of having a "known roster" until you start filling in holes. Deni is so versatile he can fit in anywhere.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's like never eating on an empty stomach. You'd never get to a point of having a "known roster" until you start filling in holes. Deni is so versatile he can fit in anywhere.

It's more like not trying to eat all of breakfast, lunch, and dinner by 9:00 a.m...

You'd fill those holes by drafting best player available. Then when you have enough talent and duplication you'd trade known quantities to plug those holes.

As I've already acknowledged the problem with Deni isn't so much that he is taking a spot we may fill in the draft (his versatility mostly removes this as a concern), but that it's too soon to be adding proven players. We should still be in talent acquisition mode. And that means we need to maximize the value of every single move.

So trading two picks who could both wind up being a player as good as Deni, and maybe even one being better, is not ideal. That's problem number one.

Problem number two is having a ready-made player like Deni (even as versatile as he is) will probably prevent us from getting as high of a draft pick eventually, if not this year then next, thereby preventing us from adding as much quality talent in the draft.

It was just too soon to make that kind of a trade. You make that trade to put you over the top. To help you compete better in the playoffs. Not to get you from, say, being an 18-win team to a 26-win team.

 

[beast blazer]

Are we going to find the other 4/5th of our starters in the next 3 years and also have them ready to contend? Seems like that is a one in a million type of chance to all come together so quickly. So at the end of those 3 years Deni will need a large raise if he is still a starting level player here.

Would have been worth doing that type of trade if we were close to being a contender or even if we were just one/two other big moves away as during much of Dame tenure. If we had two established starters and Deni was the 3rd, there are scenarios it could be a good deal. But when you need 4 additional big things to happen it wasn't a good move.

I still think holding onto the vets Cronin has done since the Dame trade are all much worse moves though. At least Deni might still have value to flip in a year or two once its apparent we can't contend with him while he is on his reasonable deal. So at least this is an acquisition with upside, unlike the Ayton acquisition, matching Thybulle, Clippers trade, signing GP2, overpaying Ant/Nurk, etc.

I guess thats where we are with Cronin - his bad moves look decent just because they're not as bad as his REALLY BAD moves.

Deni is the same age as Knecht, whom we may well have taken with that pick. And Dalton plays the same position as Sharpe. The Deni trade was a good move by Cronin, and his locked in for several more years on a cheap contract.

Some fans seem to have fetishes about draft picks, but the goal is to acquire good players.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Remember when we (especially me) were so scornful of Miami's offer for Dame because we saw Herro as the poor man's Anfernee? Well, they've gone in opposite directions since. Of course, that could have something to do with their respective coaches. (And Herro still has a much more punchable face.)

 

[Phatguysrule]

Deni is the same age as Knecht, whom we may well have taken with that pick. And Dalton plays the same position as Sharpe. The Deni trade was a good move by Cronin, and his locked in for several more years on a cheap contract.

Some fans seem to have fetishes about draft picks, but the goal is to acquire good players.

Not at the expense of two potentially good players (possibly 3).

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Deni is the same age as Knecht, whom we may well have taken with that pick. And Dalton plays the same position as Sharpe. The Deni trade was a good move by Cronin, and his locked in for several more years on a cheap contract.

Some fans seem to have fetishes about draft picks, but the goal is to acquire good players.

Age is part of it but not the only reason. A veteran NBA player is more known and predictable, usually they aren't much better or much worse than expected. A draft pick is MUCH more unexpected, the player could be worthless or could be a star. They have far more variance. That variance is bad when its a good team that needs a dependable role player. That variance is good when the team needs to hit some home runs just to make the ball game respectable. The Blazers need to be taking more swings at getting stars since they have ZERO.

Once a team has a couple stars then you fill in the decent but not great players around them. I mean we should try to acquire role players like Deni too, as yes they have value, we just shouldn't acquire them at the cost of potentially getting a star. Thats why the 2029 pick lost bothers me the most - it has huge potential upside. The 2024 draft was such shit I'm not worried about that pick. As Phat said Deni giving us a few wins the next year or two provide zero current benefits and potentially are actually a cost.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...trade-deadline-2025-player-eligibility-dec-15

NBA trade deadline 2025: Player eligibility as of Dec. 15


The NBA calendar hitting Dec. 15 marks yet another significant date, as 85 free agents signed in the offseason will be eligible to be traded.

To get a better sense of the 2024-25 trade market, we have organized the entire player pool into different roster types (franchise centerpiece, All-Star, starter, reserve, etc.), salary and years remaining on their contracts. You can use these tables when attempting to determine what trades are possible across the league -- especially since only the Indiana Pacers and Orlando Magic currently have cap space.

The 2023 Collective Bargaining Agreement introduced new trade rules that are explained below.
Teams like the Atlanta Hawks ($25.3 million), Brooklyn Nets ($23.3 million), Chicago Bulls ($17.5 million), Memphis Grizzlies ($12.6 million), New Orleans Pelicans ($9.9 million), Portland Trail Blazers ($6.9 million) and Washington Wizards ($12.4 million) have large trade exceptions and can acquire a player without sending back salary because of a previously created trade exception. The Dallas Mavericks have a $16.2 million trade exception but are not allowed to use it because they would exceed the second apron.

A new rule allows a team that did not use a signing exception this summer to acquire a player using the non-tax, biannual, tax and room exception to sign a free agent are allowed to acquire a player.

Trade rules
The NBA and players association adjusted the trade rules, allowing teams below the luxury tax more flexibility and spending power to acquire players in a trade.

The Sacramento Kings acquired DeMar DeRozan this offseason with the $7.7 million Expanded Traded Player Exception, a $2.7 million increase from the previous CBA.

The high-spending teams over the first and second apron saw the Traded Player Exception decrease from 110% last season to 100%.

Dec. 15 signing restriction
These 85 players who signed new contracts in the offseason will become eligible to be traded Sunday -- though some of them can veto trades because of the one-year Bird restriction (see full explanation below).

Eligible to be traded on Dec. 15
Player Team Roster Status Salary Restriction
Vit Krejci ATL Key Reserve $2,162,606 SR-12/15/24
Cody Zeller ATL Rotation $3,500,000 SR-12/15/24
Neemias Queta BOS Key Reserve $2,162,606 SR-12/15/24
Xavier Tillman BOS Rotation $2,237,691 SR-12/15/24
Luke Kornet BOS Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24/1YB
Keon Johnson BKN Key Reserve $2,162,606 SR-12/15/24
Shake Milton BKN Rotation $2,875,000 SR-12/15/24
Trendon Watford BKN Rotation $2,726,603 SR-12/15/24/1YB
Taj Gibson CHA Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Seth Curry CHA Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24/1YB
Jalen Smith CHI Key Reserve $8,571,429 SR-12/15/24
Tristan Thompson CLE Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Spencer Dinwiddie DAL Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Naji Marshall DAL Starter $8,571,429 SR-12/15/24
Markieff Morris DAL Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Klay Thompson DAL Starter $15,873,016 SR-12/15/24
Dario Saric DEN Key Reserve $5,168,000 SR-12/15/24
Russell Westbrook DEN Key Reserve $3,303,771 SR-12/15/24
Vlatko Cancar DEN Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24/1YB
DeAndre Jordan DEN Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24/1YB
Simone Fontecchio DET Key Reserve $7,692,308 SR-12/15/24
Malik Beasley DET Key Reserve $6,000,000 SR-12/15/24
Tobias Harris DET Starter $25,365,854 SR-12/15/24
Kyle Anderson GS Key Reserve $8,780,488 SR-12/15/24
Buddy Hield GS Starter $8,780,488 SR-12/15/24
De'Anthony Melton GS Key Reserve $12,822,000 SR-12/15/24
Aaron Holiday HOU Rotation $4,668,000 SR-12/15/24
Pascal Siakam IND Top Starter $42,176,400 SR-12/15/24
James Wiseman IND Rotation $2,237,691 SR-12/15/24
James Johnson IND Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24/1YB
Mo Bamba LAC Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Nicolas Batum LAC Key Reserve $4,668,000 SR-12/15/24
Kris Dunn LAC Key Reserve $5,168,000 SR-12/15/24
Kevin Porter Jr. LAC Key Reserve $2,237,691 SR-12/15/24
Derrick Jones Jr LAC Starter $9,523,810 SR-12/15/24
Norman Powell LAC Top Starter $19,241,379 SR-12/15/24
James Harden LAC Top Starter $33,653,846 SR-12/15/24/1YB
LeBron James LAL Franchise $48,728,845 SR-12/15/24/NTC
Luke Kennard MEM Key Reserve $9,250,000 SR-12/15/24/1YB
Thomas Bryant MIA Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Alec Burks MIA Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Kevin Love MIA Rotation $3,850,000 SR-12/15/24
Taurean Prince MIL Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Gary Trent Jr. MIL Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Delon Wright MIL Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
PJ Dozier MIN Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Joe Ingles MIN Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Luka Garza MIN Rotation $2,162,606 SR-12/15/24/1YB
Javonte Green NO Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Daniel Theis NO Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Cameron Payne NYK Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Isaiah Hartenstein OKC Starter $30,000,000 SR-12/15/24
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope ORL Starter $22,757,000 SR-12/15/24
Gary Harris ORL Key Reserve $7,500,000 SR-12/15/24
Cory Joseph ORL Rotation $3,303,771 SR-12/15/24
Moritz Wagner ORL Key Reserve $11,000,000 SR-12/15/24
Paul George PHI All-Star $49,205,800 SR-12/15/24
Eric Gordon PHI Key Reserve $3,303,771 SR-12/15/24
Reggie Jackson PHI Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Caleb Martin PHI Starter $8,149,001 SR-12/15/24
Kelly Oubre Jr. PHI Starter $7,983,000 SR-12/15/24
Guerschon Yabusele PHI Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Kyle Lowry PHI Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24/1YB
Andre Drummond PHI Key Reserve $5,000,000 SR-12/15/24
Tyus Jones PHX Starter $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Monte Morris PHX Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Royce O'Neale PHX Key Reserve $9,375,000 SR-12/15/24
Mason Plumlee PHX Key Reserve $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Bol Bol PHX Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24/1YB
Damion Lee PHX Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24/1YB
DeMar DeRozan SAC Top Starter $23,400,000 SR-12/15/24
Alex Len SAC Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Jordan McLaughlin SAC Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Orlando Robinson SAC Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Charles Bassey SA Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Sandro Mamukelashvili SA Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Chris Paul SA Key Reserve $10,460,000 SR-12/15/24
Bruno Fernando TOR Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Garrett Temple TOR Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Drew Eubanks UTAH Key Reserve $5,000,000 SR-12/15/24
Patty Mills UTAH Rotation $2,087,519 SR-12/15/24
Svi Mykhailiuk UTAH Development $3,500,000 SR-12/15/24
Saddiq Bey WSH Key Reserve $6,440,678 SR-12/15/24
Anthony Gill WSH Rotation $2,237,691 SR-12/15/24
Jonas Valanciunas WAS Key Reserve $9,900,000 SR-12/15/24

 

[Cugel]

snoopin around realgm and found this recent post. make of it what you will.

"Agreed. That said, I think Rob Williams is Thunder bound. I would put money on it. They have a need and have the players and picks to get a deal done.

A trusted Blazer insider on the RGM board has confirmed he's heard from multiple sources the Blazers have a standing deal on the table for Williams that will return a first round pick, so the Thunder really seems like the only logical destination when looking at pick stash, salaries and need."

I don't expect it to be a good FRP returned for him, but one thats heavily protected and likely ends up as 2nd rounders or just doesn't convey for anything if it doesn't meet the convey criteria within the timeframe."

"That said, the Blazers insider I mentioned in regards to Rob Williams also had a note on Simons, in that, while he's having a bad year, it's not wildly effecting his trade value one way or another. FO execs don't swing their value of players as wildly as fans do, and according to him, that's the case with Simons' trade value."

 

[PtldPlatypus]

 

[Phatguysrule]

Picks and young prospects please

 

[Cugel]

As long as there are draft assets I don't care about incoming talent or horrible contracts.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I very much hope so, but after 4 years of Cronin holding onto his guys for far too long I'm very doubtful.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Picks and young prospects please

Maybe Grant or RWIII can get a late 1st - I'll be shocked if Ant does. Ayton we probably have to chip in a pick.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

As long as there are draft assets I don't care about incoming talent or horrible contracts.

As long as our vets are gone and the horrible contract ends by 2026 I really don't care what we get.

Of course I'd love a FRP - but if Cronin can't get that I just hope these guys are sent elsewhere either way. Last Blazer that was this bad to watch was cupcake Raymond Felton.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Maybe Grant or RWIII can get a late 1st - I'll be shocked if Ant does. Ayton we probably have to chip in a pick.

As long as we're not bringing in another vet nobody else wants and we're getting something that can help us in the future I'm good.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Maybe Grant or RWIII can get a late 1st - I'll be shocked if Ant does. Ayton we probably have to chip in a pick.

I'm not chipping in a pick to get rid of Ayton. He can rot on the bench first.

 

[andalusian]

I very much hope so, but after 4 years of Cronin holding onto his guys for far too long I'm very doubtful.

Well, Cronin became a GM in Dec 2021, so 3 years.

During these 3 years he traded the following Vets:
Covington, Powell, CJ, Nance, Nukic, GP2, Hart, Keon, Little, Dame, Jrue, Brogdon

I think your analysis is both flawed and based on wrong facts.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

As long as we're not bringing in another vet nobody else wants and we're getting something that can help us in the future I'm good.

I think just swapping vets that are bad or worse than Ayton/Ant/Grant to another team is a fine solution. If its a new vet we bring in then they can be told they are backups and they need to support the young guys. The problem is Grant/Ant/Ayton were told they were starters when they came to Portland so you can't untell them that. But a new vet we acquire would have less tenure on the team than our youth so they can be told their only in a supporting backup role, and if they want differently have their agent find a trade.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm not chipping in a pick to get rid of Ayton. He can rot on the bench first.

Would be great if Billups does that, I mean he benched him after 2 minutes when BOTH of Ayton backups were injured.

Ideally Ayton would be gone though, we'd rather not have the drama of a disgruntled max player on the roster. We have enough drama to worry about with this team getting blown out by 40 twice as often as any other franchise.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...y-butler-brandon-ingram-golden-state-warriors

This season, all eyes will be on Miami Heat six-time All-Star Jimmy Butler and New Orleans Pelicans one-time All-Star Brandon Ingram.

The Heat are open to listening to offers for Butler and making a deal if the proposal is right, league sources told ESPN, and Butler's agent, Bernie Lee, has indicated in league circles that Butler is open to destinations such as two of the Texas teams (Houston Rockets and Dallas Mavericks) and the Golden State Warriors.

Sources said the Warriors are looking to add a star player -- a playmaker, scorer -- alongside Stephen Curry and Draymond Green. Golden State pursued Utah Jazz star Lauri Markkanen and Paul George as a free agent last offseason, and is expected to remain aggressive this deadline. A telltale moment happened for the Warriors on Friday night, when Curry, Green and coach Steve Kerr spoke about this being fourth-year forward Jonathan Kuminga's time to take the mantle and Green accepted a bench role for Kuminga to start at power forward.

Brooklyn Nets
The Nets have received trade interest and opened exploratory conversations around forwards Cam Johnson and Dorian Finney-Smith and guard Dennis Schroder, sources said.

The Warriors are among the teams that have expressed interest in those three players, sources said. The 31-year-old Schroder is having a standout season on a $13 million salary, averaging 18.6 points and 6.5 assists.

Rival teams believe the Warriors are open to using injured guard De'Anthony Melton's $12.8 million expiring salary along with draft incentives to make a potential deal for that salary range.

Indiana Pacers
After losing centers James Wiseman and Isaiah Jackson to Achilles tendon tears, the Pacers are actively pursuing a backup 5, sources said.

Phoenix Suns
There is optimism that MVP candidate Kevin Durant could return from an ankle sprain on Friday against the Utah Jazz or Sunday at home versus the Portland Trail Blazers, sources said. The Suns are 11-2 with Durant in the lineup this season -- and 1-9 without the two-time Finals MVP.
As the Suns look into trades, they have a 2031 first-round pick and three second-round picks eligible to be moved.

Portland Trail Blazers
Multiple teams have begun expressing interest in a group of Portland's veterans -- Jerami Grant, Anfernee Simons and Robert Williams III -- as the Trail Blazers make decisions on the roster, sources said.

Washington Wizards
Several contending teams are expected to pursue Wizards forward Kyle Kuzma, sources said. Kuzma, a proven NBA champion on the 2020 Lakers, is in the second season of a four-year, $100 million deal. The 6-foot-9, versatile Kuzma has averaged 15.8 points and 5.6 rebounds this season.​

 

[beast blazer]

Remember when we (especially me) were so scornful of Miami's offer for Dame because we saw Herro as the poor man's Anfernee? Well, they've gone in opposite directions since. Of course, that could have something to do with their respective coaches. (And Herro still has a much more punchable face.)

What is a "punchable face"? I've only ever seen this on sport message board forums. I understand wanting to punch someone you dislike that's comment harmful acts, but not wanting to just punch someone because of the way their face looks. It's especially odd given that these athletes could absolutely trash those making such statements.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think just swapping vets that are bad or worse than Ayton/Ant/Grant to another team is a fine solution. If its a new vet we bring in then they can be told they are backups and they need to support the young guys. The problem is Grant/Ant/Ayton were told they were starters when they came to Portland so you can't untell them that. But a new vet we acquire would have less tenure on the team than our youth so they can be told their only in a supporting backup role, and if they want differently have their agent find a trade.

True, I should have said "vets we are going to need to play".

 

[Phatguysrule]

What is a "punchable face"? I've only ever seen this on sport message board forums. I understand wanting to punch someone you dislike that's comment harmful acts, but not wanting to just punch someone because of the way their face looks. It's especially odd given that these athletes could absolutely trash those making such statements.

I don't think too many professional athletes are overly worried about some dork on an internet forum (and I mean that in a general sense, in the nicest way possible) wanting to punch them...

I mean, I could be wrong, but that just doesn't jive with my personal experience.

 

[beast blazer]

Not at the expense of two potentially good players (possibly 3).

Is there a player you wanted at #14 that is better than Deni? I don't see one. Even if you look at it in hindsight 3 years from now, it doesn't mean Portland would have taken that player. And who knows what the pick will be in 2029. It's protected so that Portland gets the most favorable. And we still have our swaps with what should be a rebuilding Bucks team.

Most picks don't amount to much.