Play Bayless Petition

[ehizzy3]

we need to give bayless all of sergios minutes. rudy can play without his boy toy

/signed

 

[Cake]

Does anybody here see the team winning a championship with Blake or Sergio as the starting PG? Anybody?

Bueller? Ferris Bueller?

Depends on the rest of the players. Blake is adequate. The Lakers won three straight with Derek Fisher. He's no great shakes. The Heat won it with Jason Williams and the shadow of Gary Payton. Avery Johnson won a title with San Antonio. It depends on who you surround your best players with.

 

[Cake]

No, i'm right. He hasn't played poorly in every game, which is what he was implying just to strengthen his arguement, and then ignores that Sergio is playing piss poor and compliments what he does well. It is absolutely not absurd to say Bayless has played well in a couple game out of the 11 he has played in (many of which he got 4 or less minutes which gives you a tiny sample size).

Bayless and Rodriguez have both played poorly in themajority of the games they've played in. Rodriguez passes better (because he's actually a point guard) so he gets more playing time.

And lets not talk about "earning" minutes w/ Sergio. He was suppost to get 5-10 mpg before the year until he whined his way into 10-15 and is NOT playing well.

Neither are playing well. but Rodriguez is the superior passer, so he gets the playing time at point guard. If Bayless could run the point, he might get more playing time.

And as for who is better, i'd say Sergio is the better PG, but it ends there. I even think that Bayless would be a better PG out there w/ Brandon than Sergio. And when we talk about things like rebounding, defense (50% of the NBA game), scoring, etc... I'd say Bayless gets the edge. He would be able to get to the rim AND THE FREE THROW LINE, something we desparately need.

Right...Rodriguez is the better point guard. That's why he gets the point guard minutes. If Bayless were the better point guard, he would get the minutes.

Sergio has wonderful court vision, is a great dribbler and a really nice passer, but it seems to me that what Bayless has in his game is what we need. Our Pg needs to be able to play off the ball, something Sergio doesn't do well at. I also think that w/ Rudy, if we gave hima PG who doesn't need to be ball dominant, it would let him play better and make him more than just a spot up shooter.

No, our point guard needs to distribute the ball. (The main job of a point guard) If we needed a point guard who could play off the ball, then bayless would be playing more. But we have plenty of guys who play off the ball, so we need somebody to get them the ball. Roy is not a point guard. Blake and Rodriguez are. That's why, right now, they get the point guard minutes.

If Bayless is a spot up shooter, he's a bad one. He's shooting worse than Rodriguez, who can't shoot a lick.

Bayless needs to take care of the ball better and pass it better, then he'll start playing. He turns it over once every 6 minutes. Rodriguez, who turns it over a lot, turns it over once every 12 minutes. If Bayless took care of the ball better, he'd be playing point guard more. But since he's not a point guard, Rodriguez plays the point guard position.

I think Sergio would be awesome in a system where he has more freedom, and the team is a bit more up and down and isn't as dedicated to defense. Unlike a lot of people in this forum I think he does have the potential to be a starter in this league, and actually be better than just an average starter. Sometimes though, I just don't think his game is best suited for our team. He has said this himself.

Maybe. But I don't think so, because I think Rodriguez sucks. But he's a point guard. So he gets the backup point guard minutes because we only have 2 point guards. (Blake and Rodriguez)

As for me being bias toward Bayless, I enjoy watching him play, but have stated many times that I think the PG rotation we have now is good, and our team was doing well, so I didn't have a problem with it. And said that Sergio is the better PG, the position they are playing for, and he has waited hsi turn. But I think that our weakness has been exposed, and that we aren't playing our best bball anymore. I think Bayless getting 5-10mpg can give us something more. I also believe that Bayless' ceiling is higher, so the reward for showing patience with him and playing him is better than that of Sergio for this team.

Bayless isn't a point guard yet and may never be. We have Roy and Fernandez taking the SG minutes, so we need a point guard in the lineup with them. Unfortunately, that's Blake and Rodriguez now. I hope Bayless learns how to run the pick and roll and distribute the ball to go along with his skills at getting to the basket. But he doesn't have those skills yet.

Either way, i'm a BLAZER fan. I am bias toward the BLAZERS. I don't care too much about the players except that I want them to ALL do well and more importantly our team to do well. I argue for Bayless because I think its better for our team, maybe not as much now as in a year or 2. But like I said, I think what he brings to the table now will benefit us.

I'm a Blazers fan too.

But Bayless isn't a point guard.

 

[Natebishop3]

Bayless and Rodriguez have both played poorly in themajority of the games they've played in. Rodriguez passes better (because he's actually a point guard) so he gets more playing time.

Bayless has barely played. Sergio has had over 2 seasons to show what he can do. Sergio passes better sometimes. He still makes mistakes. Bayless hasn't even been given a real shot at proving his passing abilities.

Neither are playing well. but Rodriguez is the superior passer, so he gets the playing time at point guard. If Bayless could run the point, he might get more playing time.

How can you say Bayless isn't playing well? How could you possibly have enough of a sample to make that kind of assessment? Sergio has played 423 minutes this season, Bayless has only played 69 minutes (all in garbage time). Bayless got an MVP in summer league. Sergio always sucked in summer league. I think Bayless has at least EARNED a real shot, some real minutes, to show what he can do.

Right...Rodriguez is the better point guard. That's why he gets the point guard minutes. If Bayless were the better point guard, he would get the minutes.

Better point guard based on what? His passing? Point guards also score. They also rebound. They also play defense. Sergio can pass and THAT IS IT. That's just one part of what a point guard does.

No, our point guard needs to distribute the ball. (The main job of a point guard) If we needed a point guard who could play off the ball, then bayless would be playing more. But we have plenty of guys who play off the ball, so we need somebody to get them the ball. Roy is not a point guard. Blake and Rodriguez are. That's why, right now, they get the point guard minutes.

Haha... need a guy to play off the ball? You mean like Blake? That's exactly what Blake does. He plays off the ball. He spots up. Bayless can do that too. He can also penetrate, something that neither Sergio nor Blake can do. You're basing Bayless' distributing skills on what exactly?

If Bayless is a spot up shooter, he's a bad one. He's shooting worse than Rodriguez, who can't shoot a lick.

I don't think I've ever seen Bayless spot up. He had an open look at a three pointer last night and he passed on it. Right now he's playing tentative. If he was given some PT and some confidence, you might see what the kid can do. Bayless is a scorer. Period. Sergio is not.

Bayless needs to take care of the ball better and pass it better, then he'll start playing. He turns it over once every 6 minutes. Rodriguez, who turns it over a lot, turns it over once every 12 minutes. If Bayless took care of the ball better, he'd be playing point guard more. But since he's not a point guard, Rodriguez plays the point guard position.

Again, this has more to do with the fact that Bayless has played 1/4 of the minutes Sergio has. He makes rookie mistakes. It's not like he's making bad passes (like sergio), he's doing rookie things like traveling with the ball. Those types of mistakes fade away as he gets more PT. You keep saying "he's not a point guard" and I think your definition of a "point guard" is funny. How many point guards in the NBA today are excellent passers? A point guard doesn't just pass the ball. Your reasoning is faulty.

 

[ehizzy3]

But Bayless isn't a point guard.

oh your right, i forgot. cake>>KP

 

[Nikolokolus]

Sorry, I watched last nights game and Sergio was fucking awful. He wasn't even passing well. His lack of offense and his terrible "o-lay" defense has done him in. Yes, Bayless was rusty. Yes, he made some ROOKIE mistakes (I.E. the travel call) but his defense was good. He was THE ONLY ONE I saw getting up in Chauncey's face. He altered that one shot that Billups took. It was good defense. He was tentative on offense though. He passed up an open three, if that's not indicative of how he feels out there, I don't know what is. You can't sit a guy all season and expect instant success. He has to be given a real shot. Let him play a few minutes. I thought his defense was solid, and I thought he did a nice job of getting to the hole. He was clearly fouled on that play. He's a rookie, he's going to make a few mistakes. I think he deserves a shot.

Completely agree with the bolded part; Bayless is probably still quite a distance from being able to challenge for the starting spot, but in fits and flashes you see what he's capable of on the court. The fact that he seems more comfortable on defense than offense is actually encouraging to me, since I have little doubt that given a chance to contribute within the flow of a game IN TIME he's got a great shot to fill a glaring need for this team, that being slashing and perimeter defense, while also providing at least passable play-making.

Having said all that and despite being chairperson of the "Free B-Rex" foundation, I'm perfectly happy with the coaches decision to put him in when they feel he's ready, my money is on him getting progressively more burn starting in January when we start digging deeper into the "creampuff" part of our schedule, reducing some of the pressure and widening the margin of error for mistakes.

 

[Cake]

oh your right, i forgot. cake>>KP

That's funny smartass.

Read every post I've ever made. I have NEVER assumed I know more than anyone who works at the game of basketball for a living. If Bayless were better than Rodriguez, Bayless would be playing. Because that decision is made by basketball people, not by idiot fans who bitch and moan because their favorite player isn't playing.

My argument is actually that NONE of us knows as much as the coaching staff, who seems to have decided that Bayless isn't a point guard (yet) and that Rodriguez is.

 

[ehizzy3]

That's funny smartass.

Read every post I've ever made. I have NEVER assumed I know more than anyone who works at the game of basketball for a living. If Bayless were better than Rodriguez, Bayless would be playing. Because that decision is made by basketball people, not by idiot fans who bitch and moan because their favorite player isn't playing.

My argument is actually that NONE of us knows as much as the coaching staff, who seems to have decided that Bayless isn't a point guard (yet) and that Rodriguez is.

i quoted the wrong part of your post.

 

[Cake]

Bayless has barely played. Sergio has had over 2 seasons to show what he can do. Sergio passes better sometimes. He still makes mistakes. Bayless hasn't even been given a real shot at proving his passing abilities.



How can you say Bayless isn't playing well? How could you possibly have enough of a sample to make that kind of assessment? Sergio has played 423 minutes this season, Bayless has only played 69 minutes (all in garbage time). Bayless got an MVP in summer league. Sergio always sucked in summer league. I think Bayless has at least EARNED a real shot, some real minutes, to show what he can do.



Better point guard based on what? His passing? Point guards also score. They also rebound. They also play defense. Sergio can pass and THAT IS IT. That's just one part of what a point guard does.



Haha... need a guy to play off the ball? You mean like Blake? That's exactly what Blake does. He plays off the ball. He spots up. Bayless can do that too. He can also penetrate, something that neither Sergio nor Blake can do. You're basing Bayless' distributing skills on what exactly?



I don't think I've ever seen Bayless spot up. He had an open look at a three pointer last night and he passed on it. Right now he's playing tentative. If he was given some PT and some confidence, you might see what the kid can do. Bayless is a scorer. Period. Sergio is not.



Again, this has more to do with the fact that Bayless has played 1/4 of the minutes Sergio has. He makes rookie mistakes. It's not like he's making bad passes (like sergio), he's doing rookie things like traveling with the ball. Those types of mistakes fade away as he gets more PT. You keep saying "he's not a point guard" and I think your definition of a "point guard" is funny. How many point guards in the NBA today are excellent passers? A point guard doesn't just pass the ball. Your reasoning is faulty.

The bottom line is: if Bayless was a better backup point guard option than Rodriguez, Bayless would be playing.

Nate McMillan has shown that he will play a rookie if that rookie is the best option. (And possibly even if they're NOT the best option.)

 

[Cake]

i quoted the wrong part of your post.

So what? That doesn't change the fact that you're assuming that I think I know more than the people in charge of the franchise, which is dead wrong.

Evidently McMillan and Pritchard don't think that Bayless is the best option at backup PG...yet. I'm simply citing reasons why they may be right. (Bayless can't pass as well as Rodriguez, turns it over a lot more and hasn't shot very well either.) None of this is about me. It's about Bayless and the fact that he's not a point guard yet.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

That's funny smartass.

Read every post I've ever made. I have NEVER assumed I know more than anyone who works at the game of basketball for a living. If Bayless were better than Rodriguez, Bayless would be playing. Because that decision is made by basketball people, not by idiot fans who bitch and moan because their favorite player isn't playing.

My argument is actually that NONE of us knows as much as the coaching staff, who seems to have decided that Bayless isn't a point guard (yet) and that Rodriguez is.

Because Sergio is playing more than Bayless right now means jack shit. We don't know whats going on behind the scenes, what if KP is showcasing Sergio?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Because Sergio is playing more than Bayless right now means jack shit. We don't know whats going on behind the scenes, what if KP is showcasing Sergio?

I've thought this ever since Sergio's spanish agent said he wanted a trade. Voila' two days later he goes from DNP to fifteen minutes a game.

 

[andalusian]

If this is what happened - it is backfiring miserably - since Sergio is playing pretty crappy.

 

[bigbailes]

i think most of the dislike towards sergio comes from the fact he's not consistent. and that is a legit gripe, that and his lack of finishing at the rim. other than that i think he's played very welll this season and has been respectable from 3 and at the FT line. i agree he'd flourish under a different system, away from nates style. i hope he's still on this team after nate is gone but something tells me he's gone.

i just don't understand the bayless love. he's done nothing to prove that he's a PG, here, at UA or in his youtube AAU clips that get used as evidence of his "greatness." could he be great? sure. will he be great? who the hell knows. i still think blake is the one gone and bayless takes over next to Roy, which is where he fits best.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

i think most of the dislike towards sergio comes from the fact he's not consistent. and that is a legit gripe, that and his lack of finishing at the rim. other than that i think he's played very welll this season and has been respectable from 3 and at the FT line. i agree he'd flourish under a different system, away from nates style. i hope he's still on this team after nate is gone but something tells me he's gone.

i just don't understand the bayless love. he's done nothing to prove that he's a PG, here, at UA or in his youtube AAU clips that get used as evidence of his "greatness." could he be great? sure. will he be great? who the hell knows. i still think blake is the one gone and bayless takes over next to Roy, which is where he fits best.

Shooting 34% from FG playing consistent minutes is ok?

Not a big fan of ole defense either

 

[bigbailes]

he's improved greatly on defense it's just most people don't pay attention to that side of the ball. they watch the ball and not what's going on within the offense. i'd say he's at least as good as blake and still improving.

as for the 3's i read somewhere he has at least 4 3/4 court heaves already this year. you take those out of the mix and he's shooting 37.5%. not great but respectable. toss in his 2.8/1 Asst ratio and i think he deserves every minute of playing time he's gotten.

 

[bigbailes]

Not a big fan of ole defense either

so you're ok with blakes ole d? how about TO not finding his man in the corner? hell you could talk about our entire teams perimeter d at this point.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

so you're ok with blakes ole d? how about TO not finding his man in the corner? hell you could talk about our entire teams perimeter d at this point.

I don't like Blake's d either much this year, but I do think Blake plays better defense than Sergio.

And Outlaw needs to play backup PF

 

[MARIS61]

Does anybody here see the team winning a championship with Blake or Sergio as the starting PG? Anybody?

Sure, with both, or either one. I see no reason to doubt it.

With proper coaching winning the title with this group this year is do-able.

As we saw in 1978, it's really mostly about which team is unified in their goal and unwilling to be denied.

These guys are becoming that close, and the one thing we still need is for a player to be threatened and teammates responding to his situation forcibly, like Luke with Dawkins, and then they'll be ready.

Were Hollins, Twardzik, Davis, Steele and Gilliam better than Steve, Roy, Sergio, Rudy and Bayless?


“Before we played a game, I realized that we had the makings of something very special.
We had exactly the right mix to win.”
- Dr. Jack Ramsay

Bake it!

 

[barfo]

Sure, with both, or either one. I see no reason to doubt it.

With proper coaching winning the title with this group this year is do-able.

As we saw in 1978, it's really mostly about which team is unified in their goal and unwilling to be denied.

Or 1977. I think we saw something else in 78.

“Before we played a game, I realized that we had the makings of something very special.
We had exactly the right mix to win.”
- Dr. Jack Ramsay

Did Nate have the same feeling at the start of this year?
For that matter, did Dr. Jack, or was he just bullshitting?

barfo

 

[Kaydow]

Sure, with both, or either one. I see no reason to doubt it.

With proper coaching winning the title with this group this year is do-able.

As we saw in 1978, it's really mostly about which team is unified in their goal and unwilling to be denied.

These guys are becoming that close, and the one thing we still need is for a player to be threatened and teammates responding to his situation forcibly, like Luke with Dawkins, and then they'll be ready.

Were Hollins, Twardzik, Davis, Steele and Gilliam better than Steve, Roy, Sergio, Rudy and Bayless?


“Before we played a game, I realized that we had the makings of something very special.
We had exactly the right mix to win.”
- Dr. Jack Ramsay

Bake it!

You mean 1977?

No, they aren't better. But Walton and Mo Lucas were.

 

[illmatic99]

he's improved greatly on defense it's just most people don't pay attention to that side of the ball. they watch the ball and not what's going on within the offense. i'd say he's at least as good as blake and still improving.

as for the 3's i read somewhere he has at least 4 3/4 court heaves already this year. you take those out of the mix and he's shooting 37.5%. not great but respectable. toss in his 2.8/1 Asst ratio and i think he deserves every minute of playing time he's gotten.

Exactly!

 

[Natebishop3]

i think most of the dislike towards sergio comes from the fact he's not consistent. and that is a legit gripe, that and his lack of finishing at the rim. other than that i think he's played very welll this season and has been respectable from 3 and at the FT line. i agree he'd flourish under a different system, away from nates style. i hope he's still on this team after nate is gone but something tells me he's gone.

i just don't understand the bayless love. he's done nothing to prove that he's a PG, here, at UA or in his youtube AAU clips that get used as evidence of his "greatness." could he be great? sure. will he be great? who the hell knows. i still think blake is the one gone and bayless takes over next to Roy, which is where he fits best.

I don't understand all this crap about Bayless not being a point guard. It's a position. If you start at point guard, you are a point guard. The point position does more than just pass. The NBA has seen an assortment of different types of players at that spot. Scorers, passers, defenders, etc. If a team needs a distributor at the one, they play a distributor. If they need someone who can play lockdown defense, they go with a solid defender. If they need a scorer, they play a scorer. Just because Bayless isn't the best passer doesn't mean he isn't a point guard.

Last time I checked, Blake isn't exactly the best passer either, yet nobody here questions whether Blake is a point guard.

The only reason why I said we should bench Sergio and give Bayless a shot is because I hardly think Bayless is going to step into the starting role right off the bat, and Blake is playing too well offensively for McMillain to bench him. Sergio may be the only real distributor on the team, but that doesn't mean he wins by default. He has many deficiencies and his passing isn't nearly good enough to warrant a free pass.

 

[MrJayremmie]

I don't understand all this crap about Bayless not being a point guard. It's a position. If you start at point guard, you are a point guard. The point position does more than just pass. The NBA has seen an assortment of different types of players at that spot. Scorers, passers, defenders, etc. If a team needs a distributor at the one, they play a distributor. If they need someone who can play lockdown defense, they go with a solid defender. If they need a scorer, they play a scorer. Just because Bayless isn't the best passer doesn't mean he isn't a point guard.

Last time I checked, Blake isn't exactly the best passer either, yet nobody here questions whether Blake is a point guard.

The only reason why I said we should bench Sergio and give Bayless a shot is because I hardly think Bayless is going to step into the starting role right off the bat, and Blake is playing too well offensively for McMillain to bench him. Sergio may be the only real distributor on the team, but that doesn't mean he wins by default. He has many deficiencies and his passing isn't nearly good enough to warrant a free pass.

Because its their only excuse when they argue against Bayless. This guy responded to my post and all he could say is "Bayless isn't a PG".

Anyway, if I had to give my game ball out last night, its to Sergio. I thought he had a great game. All I want is whoever is best for the team out there. But it this kid is agressive and gets to the rim, THAT is what we need, tbh.

 

[Boise Blazer]

signed

 

[BatumKaboom]

.signed.

 

[Nikolokolus]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/12/is_jerryd_bayless_the_shot_in.html

Who knows if Quick really has his finger on the pulse of the situation or not, but looks like there could be a callup from the "minors" on the horizon.

 

[bigbailes]

nate's a fool and will not be a head coach here for long. listen if bayless is working his tail off props to him and he deserves it, but this is a major coping out and a bitch move by (as another poster on here calls him) mcmuffin. to cite defense as the reason when his little blakely boy is just as horrendous is, as barkely would put it, terrrrrable. i say good ridence to nate and his poor coaching. sarge was great for a couple years but it's time to hand the reigns to someone else now.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I enjoyed reading the article. It's exactly as I felt when people here were praising Sergio for his 4-4 night when the guy had a -10 for the game and gave up everything he was getting for us on offense anyways. Sergio needs to stop playing. Give Bayless a shot.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Yeah, it's defense Nate was screaming for during the last few games. Wait, no it wasn't. It was "pushing the ball", it was "attacking the basket", it was "keeping them on their heels". At least, when he was miked up during timeouts and when you could hear him saying it after a rebound and stuff. And what's happened? Blakie has 9 TO's in 2 games...many of the "passing to where he shouldn't, when he shouldn't" variety.

I'm not saying Sergio should start, but if you think that Sergio's defense is any worse than Blake's, I don't know what to say.

Why are you bringing up single-game +/- as a personal stat? Let's dig a bit, shall we?
Sergio comes in at 3:21 left in the first. 24-18 Mavs. He's guarding Kidd for 2 minutes, then Barea comes in at :48. Neither one scores or gets an assist for the rest of the first quarter, and we cut from a 6pt lead to a 4pt lead. Sergio has a 3, the amazing assist to Rudy, a layup and sets up Joel for his 2 FTs. So how does he have a bad rating ?
Then, to start the second, Sergio again scores a layup. Then another one. Then the man he's guarding gets the first points or assists in 7 minutes of play when Barea gets a rebound and layup. Sergio then comes out. We're now down 43-33. How can that be? Well, I'm glad you asked. I know Sergio is the whipping boy right now, but perhaps Nate should rethink his idea of having Frye and Outlaw out there at the forward spots at the same time. B/c here's what happened for Dallas around those timeframes...2FTs by Terry, Howard 3, Nowitzki 2, 2 buckets by Singleton, a Wright 3. AND: Travis 0-3, Frye 0-1, Rudy 1-2, Joel Travel, Sergio Bad Pass. But I'm sure it's all the fault of Sergio and his disgusting defense.

FFwd to the 4th quarter. 80-77 good guys, Sergio comes in, immediately commits the foul on Barea. Then Rudy is 0-1, Travis 0-1, Roy 0-2. Meanwhile, DAL goes miss by Terry, miss by Barea (Sergio's guy), make by Nowitzki, make by Bass. Sergio leaves with it 81-80 them.

So to recap: when Sergio was in the game he was 4-4, 9pts, 1 turnover. The man he was guarding was 1-4 with 0 assists. His teammates were 1-10, 2-4 FTs and 1 turnover, while the other team (aside from Sergio's man) were 6-12. Must've been Sergio's disgusting defense. Couldn't be that teammates were missing shots, getting lit up on their own by leaving their men open (and I'm looking at you, Rudy, Travis and Frye).

By all means, replace that loser Sergio with Bayless. Then maybe Travis and Frye will play defense. Maybe then they'll hit shots.