Game Thread PLAYOFFS: ROUND 1, GAME 1: THUNDER @ BLAZERS - APRIL 14, 2019, SUNDAY, 12:30 PM, ABC (1 Viewer)

[BonesJones]

Great, another subjective opinion of a blazer-homer with no mention of any objective data or comparisons to other stadiums.

“For what it’s worth”

This is not worth anything, it’s one person’s opinion and completely ignores the points I’ve made about how loud the stadium is relative to other playoff games.

Canzano is a "Blazer homer"???

LMAO WUT.

 

[BonesJones]

Speaking for myself, I thought the crowd noise was about the same in all the games I saw. I wasn't there, but all of it is subjective opinions on how loud “we thought” it was. Objective data would need a decibel meter or something else to measure it. Saying it sounded less loud on your TV / Computer / Media device of choice than how loud you thought other venues were is still just a “you think”. You might be right I have no idea.
Im also not sure if it matters if our stadium is the loudest, acoustics are different everywhere.

Dudes just a hater trying to act like he's the only one whos objective. Comical.

 

[riverman]

How bout them Blazers eh? A team without drama, unlike this place

 

[Nurkalicious]

Does freedom to write what you want give you the right to clog up the forum with inane drivel? Yes (obviously). Does it grant your posts some sort of immunity to criticism? No.

Your incessant directionless posting is against the spirit of this place. These posts are like some sort of necrotic word-virus, lessoning the value of every thread they touch.

You didn’t criticize my posts, you resorted to personal insults, which is against the rules. (“What the fuck is wrong with you. Go outside or something.”) Nice try though.

Further, I really don’t care if you think my posts are value-less. Hint: I’m not talking to you. When I need your permission to post here I’ll let ya know.

 

[BonesJones]

Thos dude has found a way to derail another game thread. Sigh.

 

[riverman]

If you have a problem with someone's post...flag it and let the mods deal with it...or put them on ignore...etc...just quit mucking up threads with stupid insults and making problems some fucking public soapbox.....there's a tool here for the disgruntled..please just use it

 

[Nurkalicious]

Thos dude has found a way to derail another game thread. Sigh.

Nah I’m just here talking about my opinions of the last game in that games game thread. You’re the one who has a problem with sharing a public forum / has a problem with just ignoring comments you aren’t interested in.

Notice how every time you comment I don’t quote you, complain about your comment, complain that you’re commenting at all, and ask for you to be banned. Weird.

 

[Nurkalicious]

Speaking for myself, I thought the crowd noise was about the same in all the games I saw. I wasn't there, but all of it is subjective opinions on how loud “we thought” it was. Objective data would need a decibel meter or something else to measure it. Saying it sounded less loud on your TV / Computer / Media device of choice than how loud you thought other venues were is still just a “you think”. You might be right I have no idea.
Im also not sure if it matters if our stadium is the loudest, acoustics are different everywhere.

This is what a healthy conversation looks like. Thanks for actually responding to me like I’m a human.

I’m looking for decibel stats to no avail. If anyone finds them I’d be interested

 

[Nurkalicious]

Rules are tighter for those previously banned.

Nice bc I wasn’t ever banned, but if you keep repeating the accusation it might become true. Guilty until proven innocent amirite?

I’m wondering why there’s no rule against falsely accusing members of being frauds? Seems like a clear insult to me.

(If you wanna complain about my posts, feel free to DM me. As others have pointed out, this isn’t the place for you to complain about me. I’m ignoring all complaints after this response).

 

[Propagandist]

You didn’t criticize my posts, you resorted to personal insults, which is against the rules. (“What the fuck is wrong with you. Go outside or something.”) Nice try though.

Further, I really don’t care if you think my posts are value-less. Hint: I’m not talking to you. When I need your permission to post here I’ll let ya know.

If going outside is an insult to you, then you're just proving my point.

 

[BonesJones]

Nah I’m just here talking about my opinions of the last game in that games game thread. You’re the one who has a problem with sharing a public forum / has a problem with just ignoring comments you aren’t interested in.

Notice how every time you comment I don’t quote you, complain about your comment, complain that you’re commenting at all, and ask for you to be banned. Weird.

What?

 

[Nurkalicious]

If going outside is an insult to you, then you're just proving my point.

How much you wanna bet I can beat you one on one or at 3 pt contest?

If you don’t see how “What the fuck is wrong with you” is a personal insult then you’re simply not even trying to be civil. (By the way, Jones calling me a “hater” is also an insult. For people who complain about the rules so much, you might wanna try following them).

Again, If you wanna complain about me, tell me in DMs. You’re forcing me to spam the thread to defend myself from your insults.

 

[BonesJones]

How much you wanna bet I can beat you one on one or at 3 pt contest?

Haha, you'll never actually show up to one of these things.

Thatd require going outside.

 

[hoopsjock]

“All I can tell you”

Sounds super presumptuous.

You guys really think highly of your subjective opinions. It couldn’t possibly be that you thought the game was louder than it was - or that you forgot the numerous lulls in the crowd noise (I.e. in the second and third quarter especially) and remembered the intense moments. Nope. All those fans we could see on TV sitting for most of the entire game in the 100-Section were really loud, you were just fooled by their mouths being closed! Oh and those other games in other stadiums where the crowd was visibly standing and screaming all game and the noise was much louder on the same network... that was all a big conspiracy. (Sarcasm)

Plus, what are you comparing the noise to? You aren’t using objective measures like decibels, you’re just saying “it sounded loud to me” without comparing that loudness to other stadiums at all.

I’m not really sure if it was relatively loud or not, I simply said it didn’t seem like it on TV, and no one has made a compelling argument against this observation. You all just keep saying “sounded loud to me” like this is something that’s supposed to blow my mind and end the discussion.

That being said, I already stated I would “take your word for it” so you can stop complaining about this whenever you want.

It is objective but I gave comparisons to 4 other Blazers playoff games I've been to. That isn't just me thinking it was loud yesterday, I'm telling you how it compared to past years.

The perceived lull you are referring to is that when the home team gets up early and the lead slowly starts to fade it became more of a nervous energy than an enthusiastic one but that doesn't mean it wasn't loud.

 

[Nurkalicious]

It is objective but I gave comparisons to 4 other Blazers playoff games I've been to. That isn't just me thinking it was loud yesterday, I'm telling you how it compared to past years.

The perceived lull you are referring to is that when the home team gets up early and the lead slowly starts to fade it became more of a nervous energy than an enthusiastic one but that doesn't mean it wasn't loud.

I’ve already conceded I do think it was loud at different points. From yours and other’s accounts, it was likely VERY loud.

I don’t think the energy was sustained or particularly helpful (from my perspective). You seem to be agreeing with this in part. It’s true home teams fans often die down a bit when up, but that doesn’t necessarily have to be true. The warriors are a good example of an arena that is loud practically regardless of circumstance. My entire point is our crowd seemed to let them back in the game in the second and third.

It seems like the truth is probably somewhere in between “it was very loud the whole time” and “it was very loud but the energy wasn’t sustained as much as in many other games.”

P.S. I have no idea why this discussion is controversial.

 

[riverman]

Apparently it was loud enough...

 

[BonesJones]

My entire point is our crowd seemed to let them back in the game in the second and third.

Your post wasnt that bad until this sentence. The crowd let them back in?

 

[-Ace-]

Your post wasnt that bad until this sentence. The crowd let them back in?

Yep, we let them back in because the players brought the crowd down. Play the game yourself!

 

[Orion Bailey]

“All I can tell you”

Sounds super presumptuous.

You guys really think highly of your subjective opinions. It couldn’t possibly be that you thought the game was louder than it was - or that you forgot the numerous lulls in the crowd noise (I.e. in the second and third quarter especially) and remembered the intense moments. Nope. All those fans we could see on TV sitting for most of the entire game in the 100-Section were really loud, you were just fooled by their mouths being closed! Oh and those other games in other stadiums where the crowd was visibly standing and screaming all game and the noise was much louder on the same network... that was all a big conspiracy. (Sarcasm)

Plus, what are you comparing the noise to? You aren’t using objective measures like decibels, you’re just saying “it sounded loud to me” without comparing that loudness to other stadiums at all.

I’m not really sure if it was relatively loud or not, I simply said it didn’t seem like it on TV, and no one has made a compelling argument against this observation. You all just keep saying “sounded loud to me” like this is something that’s supposed to blow my mind and end the discussion.

That being said, I already stated I would “take your word for it” so you can stop complaining about this whenever you want.

OK dude, it was your presumption that you think it was not loud there with people here are telling you it was. And now you’re trying to twist it around that everybody is all over you. I’m sorry, I’m going to believe the ones who were there versus someone who watched it on TV. Not sure how that is such an issue for you.

Do you not give more credit to those who witnessed things first hand versus those comments on it off of some TV?

 

[Orion Bailey]

That could be true (and probably is) and it still wouldn’t change the fact that none of you are capable of presenting ANY objective data on how loud the crowd was vis-a-vis other stadiums.

If the blazer crowd actually broke records for crowd noise in the 2nd and 3rd quarter I’ll eat my hat. The 100-Section looked dead on TV for most of the second and third quarter - barely any chants were audible. I don’t know how to reconcile this with what you guys keep repeating. repeating “it sounded loud to me” does not really prove anything. Believe it or not (people like @Propagandist ) saying “stop talking sub human rookie scum” also does not prove anything.

Where is your data supporting your argument?

You have none?
Then kindly cease.

You saying it sounded quiet on tv doesn't prove shit either.

Fuck.... lol.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I’ve already conceded I do think it was loud at different points. From yours and other’s accounts, it was likely VERY loud.

I don’t think the energy was sustained or particularly helpful (from my perspective). You seem to be agreeing with this in part. It’s true home teams fans often die down a bit when up, but that doesn’t necessarily have to be true. The warriors are a good example of an arena that is loud practically regardless of circumstance. My entire point is our crowd seemed to let them back in the game in the second and third.

It seems like the truth is probably somewhere in between “it was very loud the whole time” and “it was very loud but the energy wasn’t sustained as much as in many other games.”

P.S. I have no idea why this discussion is controversial.

Ps. Because you were telling others who disagree with you they were wrong when its subjective.

Again. Where is your data?

You have none? Then why are you still talking about this nonsense. Agree to disagree and move on instead of trying to break down an opinion that nobody has a measuring stick for currently??????

 

[borim69]

Question since we are all having this marvelous discussion on crowd noise. I guess this is directed to people who work behind the scenes. Don't the sound engineers pull out some of the crowd noise for TV ? I dj'd over in Germany for a year and a lot of times I opened for a band at some clubs and they would let me sit in with the sound engineer there. I could adjust the vocals of the band or riffs on guitar solo's and or drum solo's. So am I wrong on that assumption?

 

[-Ace-]

Yes, it was loud during the game. Coming home and watching the ABC broadcast on my DVR, the first thing I noticed was how upfront and loud the commentary was, and how much quieter the crowd level was compared to it. Haven't seen another ABC game to compare it to.

 

[Boise Blazer]

You know what would be cool is if the NBA made a competition out of it and had a decibel meter in each arena and posted the highest results during the playoffs. Might encourage all the fans and arenas to get into even more.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yep if I said the same thing I’d 100% be banned. Luckily for Propagandist the mods protect their friends here.

Hmm...its amazing that you can state with absolute certainty how people you don't know would respond to hypothetical situations.

These are the kinds of statements that can cause a person to be perceived as arrogant and difficult to converse with.

 

[H.C.]

... is this really necessary for this to happen in every game thread sense March 23rd?

Like really?
At some point there has to be a line right.

 

[blue9]

... is this really necessary for this to happen in every game thread sense March 23rd?

Like really?
At some point there has to be a line right.

Unfortunately there are too many damn people in here with not enough to do. All this dude deserves is one pot-shot before moving along. But not this crowd - oh no. Can't possibly lose an internet argument to an obvious troll. The sad thing is, they've lost simply by engaging...but they don't even know it.

 

[TBpup]

Unfortunately there are too many damn people in here with not enough to do. All this dude deserves is one pot-shot before moving along. But not this crowd - oh no. Can't possibly lose an internet argument to an obvious troll. The sad thing is, they've lost simply by engaging...but they don't even know it.

How come I can't see who is arguing?

 

[e_blazer]

Yes, it was loud during the game. Coming home and watching the ABC broadcast on my DVR, the first thing I noticed was how upfront and loud the commentary was, and how much quieter the crowd level was compared to it. Haven't seen another ABC game to compare it to.

Trying to compare arena sound levels by what you hear on different game broadcasts is useless. The announcers use microphones that are close to their mouths so that their voices come through clearly over crowd noise, but there’s always going to be differences in how effective that is based on the exact setup and how the announcers use their equipment. Then there’s the fact that sports broadcasts are mixed for 5.1 digital. How the arena is miked and how the sound is mixed will vary. Then there’s the whole issue of how your home equipment is set up to receive the audio. If you don’t have the correct decoder and if you’re not using a well designed five speaker system that’s properly adjusted, your experience is going to be nothing like reality.

If you want to get a personal take on how loud it is at MODA, buy a ticket.

 

[wizenheimer]

Just the conversation I was having with a long time NBA insider how has or has had multiple relatives in coaching and front office positions around the league.

Dame/CJ took 45 of Portland's 86 shots (52%) and converted on 40% of those shots.

The rest of the team took 41 shots (48%) and converted on 44%. So it's not like the rest of the guys were bricking away so Dame/CJ had to force shots. He completely believes Portland needs to spread it out a bit more with Dame/CJ taking there fair share but not in such a large percentage. He mentioned that even if you get an open shot, how tough it is to hit that shot in a pressure situation when you may not have touched the ball in a shooting situation for 15 minutes of real time. That is a lot to ask.

He really liked how Portland moved the ball in the first quarter but wasn't a fan of the 'Hero/ISO' ball for most of the rest of the game.

Thought Kanter was perhaps the Player of the Game although commented about how the PnR's are different with Kanter vs Nurkic and how that affects what Portland does. Chuckled at how many steps Enes took on his last lay in.

I think it's somewhat of a distortion to put Dame and CJ in the same too-much-shooting boat

TS:

Seth Curry .667
Al-Farouq Aminu .654
Damian Lillard .612
Enes Kanter .567
Rodney Hood .500
CJ McCollum .458
Evan Turner .333

the Blazers as a team averaged 1.21 points/shot. Dame averaged 1.43 points/shot. He was well above the team average so him shooting shots was a Blazer advantage; he had 21 FGA's. CJ averaged 1.0 points/shot, well below the team average and he had 24 FGA's, 3 more than Dame

after the 1st Q, OKC adjusted and took away the easy passing lanes they had allowed in the 1st Q. Portland's offensive motion stalled as a result, which happens often when Dame sits during the first 5-7 minutes of the 2nd Q. Dame was trying to keep people involved when he came back in, but his passing was off and he coughed up some turnovers; I'm guessing that passing can be off just like shooting can be off. But CJ was standard CJ and that meant he was going heavy iso while Dame was tending that way.

I guess the point of that being it's easy to say "Portland went away from what was working", but the opposition had more to do with that than Portland just abandoning their offense, IMO