Game Thread PLAYOFFS - ROUND 1, GAME 2: BLAZERS @ CLIPPERS - 4/20/16, WEDNESDAY, 7:30 PM (PDT), TNT & KGW (2 Viewers)

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julius said:
It's no surprise that Damian has shot poorly since that series/game winner.

He's had zero help since then. LaMarcus was shit in the 2nd round that year, and was an absolute waste of space in the series last year.

This year, this team is far too young/inexperienced to really know what the hell to do. And with no one else really having the veteran experience to rely on, they're playing like a team in it's first ever playoffs. In way over their head.

Add to that the fact that the team has 2 players who are worthy of starting. Not 2 in the starting 5, mind you. 2 out of 15 roster positions. That's not to say that the players don't or couldn't have roles with the team in the future (Ed, Mason, Moe and Gerald come to mind as decent backups for the team), but as starters or players who are depended on for providing some of the offense, it is not good.

I actually think CJ should be the backup SG/PG combo, ala Manu Ginobili.

Aminu should never create offense for himself. Ever. Period.

The #1 off season goal (for the players that are staying) are these:

Work on your mid-range to 20 foot jumper if you're a SG/SF/PF.

If your name is Davis or Plumlee, work ALL summer on your fucking free throws (not complaining about how they've played in the series) and your 15 foot jumper. Nothing else.

Vonleh needs to work on confidence and moves. Basically, watch tapes of Otis Thorpe and PF's who can face the hoop and score.

Damian needs to fix whatever is wrong with his shot. Be it selection, or how to shoot while guarded/knocked down. Not that I expect him to play the way he did during his hot stretch this season, but he was playing smarter then.

I'm not sure who this player is, but the team needs someone in the middle who is not undersized for his position.

I'm not worried about the players that the Blazers will sign or possibly trade for, but I've accepted that the chances of them getting an all star quality 3rd player are pretty much nil.

I don't think a coaching change is needed, although an ACTUAL emphasis on defense is valuable beyond measure. Damian does show glimpses, but it's inconsistent.

I think that the team will probably under perform next year, if they don't make significant changes to certain aspects of the roster/style of play.

Considering this team has no real business being in the playoffs, I can't be that upset. Especially knowing that the Clippers aren't doing shit ever.
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Blazers played at 55 win pace for the second half of the year. I would expect 50-55 wins next year even with no change to our roster.
 
KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
Blazers played at 55 win pace for the second half of the year. I would expect 50-55 wins next year even with no change to our roster.
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and yet they're down 0-2 and looking like a team that barely made the playoffs and had no business being in it.
 
Tunchi said:
All I asked was for a competitive series

Smh
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This is how I know you're a Blazer fan, because you bought into the Portland media and hopes of Blazer fans.
Clippers are good when Griffin isn't dominating the ball. It's when he is.. Is when their offence slowed and it's not as good...(now if only he could hit more than one jumper)

But I do have a question for you. Have you noticed how shitty CJ has been doing this series?

Game 1 - 3/11 2rbs 3 assists 2 turnovers 9 points in 37:12 (did he score after the first quarter?)
Game 2 - 6/17 3rbs 5 assists 2 turnovers 16 points in 38:08

I wish there was a stat on a player forcing a shot that gives up a layup on the other end. CJ would lead the Blazers in this stat in these playoffs if so... During tonights game I sarcastically said to my friend whom I was watching the game with. "Should change CJ's initials to WT... Walking Turnover"

I hope he turns it around in portland... CJ I believe is better than JJ. Nor do I think the long name guy can guard him.
 
julius said:
and yet they're down 0-2 and looking like a team that barely made the playoffs and had no business being in it.
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Ever notice the similarity between the words "obvious" and "oblivious"?

Most of the players on this team just aren't very good. It makes me nuts that some people are so in love with some of these utterly average players that they would sacrifice future team success for them. Without a major talent upgrade, this team is just as likely to regress as it is to make the play-offs next season. Stotts has gotten 105% out of these players - and all we have to show for it is back-to-back butt kickings.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Ever notice the similarity between the words "obvious" and "oblivious"?

Most of the players on this team just aren't very good. It makes me nuts that some people are so in love with some of these utterly average players that they would sacrifice future team success for them. Without a major talent upgrade, this team is just as likely to regress as it is to make the play-offs next season. Stotts has gotten 105% out of these players - and all we have to show for it is back-to-back butt kickings.
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So the other games in this series are already over? "All we have to show" hasn't ended yet. Lets let it end before we say "all we have to show".

Otherwise, I hear what you're saying.
 
For defensive purposes, Perhaps we should see Vonleh tried at center, defending Jordan.
He's mobile enough to guard Jordan and stronger than Plumlee.
(Plumlee shifts to PF, Aminu to bench)

Tell him to play up real tight on the screens. Hes got good length and quick hands and can pester CP3 as he comes off screens. He possesses good footspeed to recover too, should he need to.
 
honkicracker said:
I wish there was a stat on a player forcing a shot that gives up a layup on the other end. CJ would lead the Blazers in this stat in these playoffs if so... During tonights game I sarcastically said to my friend whom I was watching the game with. "Should change CJ's initials to WT... Walking Turnover"
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I believe this would be Aminu hands down. Not just that but CJ can actually hit a 3 and create a shot.
 
This team needs a big infusion of good talent this offseason. No overpaying henderson, crabbe, harkless to stay mediocre and strap us with that cap.
 
julius said:
It's no surprise that Damian has shot poorly since that series/game winner.

He's had zero help since then. LaMarcus was shit in the 2nd round that year, and was an absolute waste of space in the series last year.
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Come on dude, when Damian shoots the ball the only person responsible for whether or not it goes in is himself.
 
If Mason Plumlee developed a jump shot he might be an all-star. He is a tremendous ball handler and passer for someone his size, and very athletic. But he gets over-shadowed in the middle because he's so small for a center. But he can't play on the perimeter because he has no shot.

But just compare him to Aminu. He's bigger, more agile, MUCH better with the ball...he just needs a decent set jumper and he could play Aminu's role. Then we get a legit center to defend the middle.
 
Sinobas said:
If Mason Plumlee developed a jump shot he might be an all-star. He is a tremendous ball handler and passer for someone his size, and very athletic. But he gets over-shadowed in the middle because he's so small for a center. But he can't play on the perimeter because he has no shot.

But just compare him to Aminu. He's bigger, more agile, MUCH better with the ball...he just needs a decent set jumper and he could play Aminu's role. Then we get a legit center to defend the middle.
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Asking Plumlee to develop a 30% 3 point jumper let alone a foul line extended jumper has probably about the same likelihood as Brian Roberts morphing into Steph Curry.
 
ugh. I had no expectations. I thought we would lose in 5.

Still painful to watch us get dominated like this. I at least thought we'd be competitive, but the discrepancy in talent is just so massive.
 
B-Roy said:
Asking Plumlee to develop a 30% 3 point jumper let alone a foul line extended jumper has probably about the same likelihood as Brian Roberts morphing into Steph Curry.
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Maybe, but I think the problem is that Mason is better suited to be a big perimeter player when you look at his skill set. (aside from his absent jump shot).
 
Sinobas said:
Come on dude, when Damian shoots the ball the only person responsible for whether or not it goes in is himself.
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You can't honestly believe that having other players as viable threats doesn't make it easier for other players to score, do you?

If the defense can leave a player to double Damian, it makes his shot harder to make. If they can't run the offense efficiently because the rest of the team puts up bricks (Harkless, Aminu, Vonleh, Plums, Davis) when passed the ball, it makes it so defenders can concentrate on a shooter, or isolate them and force them into a poor (or poorer) shot.

Wide open shots, or shots where you're not doubled or forced into a poor shot, tend to go in at a higher %.

That's not saying Damians craptactular shooting this year was because of his teammates inabilities to keep the defense honest, but it sure as hell played a significant enough part that having a legit 3rd 15-19 ppg scorer on the team would make a mountain of a difference.
 
Sinobas said:
Maybe, but I think the problem is that Mason is better suited to be a big perimeter player when you look at his skill set. (aside from his absent jump shot).
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Not saying you're wrong necessarily, but you can't be a perimeter player if you don't have a jumpshot and can't guard wings.

So where does that put him?
 
Nate said:
We need to pay the fuck up and get whiteside.
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We could give Whiteside the most money AND he still wouldn't decide to come here

What we need to do is find players nobody wants that's the way we build around here
 
The team with more allstars, all nba players and the higher seed and a championship coach held home court...are we really shocked? We have shot horribly on the road...our regular season we weren't a great road team. The Clippers shot an incredibly high percentage and played very good defense. We need to go home and protect home court. Making the playoffs was great...now the guys we have are getting an education in playoff intensity. I think that's the value in making the playoffs this season anyway. Go Blazers!
 
julius said:
You can't honestly believe that having other players as viable threats doesn't make it easier for other players to score, do you?
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When talking about 3 pointers yes, because he's missing open 3s, what do they have to do with anyone else but himself? He also forces 3s, but he's done that his whole career. The looks he's getting from 3 aren't any worse than in the regular season, he's just not hitting.
 
B-Roy said:
Not saying you're wrong necessarily, but you can't be a perimeter player if you don't have a jumpshot and can't guard wings.

So where does that put him?
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I think he could guard wings. I think he'd be a better defender than Aminu actually, he's very agile and balanced. Of course, the whole point of my comment was to say that a jump shot is the missing piece in him being a perimeter player.
 
Mason was -7% at defending the 3 and Aminu only -2.5%.
 
For Portland to take the next step, they need players (at any forward/center position) who can shoot the ball from the perimeter as well as play defense. Right now, if they want to get better defenders like Plumlee, Kaman, Davis or (with some projection) Vonleh on the court, they're punting on shooting which kills their spacing. If they play their (few) front court shooters like Aminu or Leonard, their defense is going to suffer more.

They really don't have one killer lineup that can generate both spacing and defense. To be a top team, they need at least one 5-man unit that works really well together and then hopefully piece together some depth, even if it's flawed, behind it. They have a start with a great backcourt and good pick-and-roll players like Plumlee and Davis. They just need at least one more three-and-D guy who can ideally play forward (or center, but that's much rarer).
 
Sinobas said:
Mason was -7% at defending the 3 and Aminu only -2.5%.
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Mason's stat line looks for all the world that he's BY FAR our best player in the playoffs; it just goes to show how good his game was last night.
 
Mason played a redemption game last night...he sucked in game one really badly. Consistency is lacking across the board. The underdog Blazers are in the fire and it's time to man up big time or go home...either way I'm proud of the team.
 
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