Game Thread PLAYOFFS: ROUND 1, GAME 2: PELICANS @ BLAZERS - APRIL 17, 2018, TUESDAY, 7:30 PM (PDT), TNT & NBCSNW

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What/who was the primary reason for Game 1's loss?

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deiondeion said:
nice to meet you dude. full disclosure, I didn't read your post and don't plan on reading your post due to your second line. Ill talk basketball and talk some smack with you guys in good fun, but basketball is a hobby that I thoroughly enjoy and have fun with. so I'm not wasting my time with a post that starts like that
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Someones petty. You're missing out on an opportunity to get educated by not reading his post. Thats a shame.
 
KingSpeed said:
We're not mediocre. We went from 8 seed to 3 seed in one year. We are on the rise. Even if we lose this series, that doesn't erase that. Teams lose in playoffs. Even the Spurs lost in playoffs as #1 seed once and they didn't break up the team. Stay the course. We're getting better. We'll be even better next year. A trade for a trade's sake won't help.
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If all teams were healthy, we'd be a 6 seed behind MIN, SAS, and UTA. Maybe 7th behind NOP.
 
Gronk Brady said:
There is no point in arguing with you if you like being mediocre and don’t even want to look for a solution
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I personally am not against moving CJ. But what realistic solution do you have in mind? Something like Wiggins would be a disaster deal for us. I just don't see something that improves us off-hand.
 
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KingSpeed said:
If Roy and Oden were healthy, we'd have 5 championships.
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We're talking about the talent level of our current team. We're probably the 6th/7th best team. We only got the 3 seed because of other teams injuries with us remaining healthy. We had luck. We shouldn't resist change because we got lucky.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I personally am not against moving CJ. But what realistic solution do you have in mind? Something like Wiggins would be a disaster deal for us. I just don't see something that improves us off-hand.
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Agreed. You can't just say trade so and so. Trade so and so for whom???
 
2 things.....
1- I honestly think we can lose the next 2 games and still have a chance to win this series and B- Anybody else a bit concerned that JinxSpeed is the one interacting and being the "voice" of Blazers fans with this guy from NOLA?
 
We all know here that if the Blazers don’t get a win in game 2, this series is over. I’m expecting a blow out win by the Blazers.
 


So, I'm not sure if you guys talk about it yet, but things coach Stotts said in this interview were just disturbing to me. First there's a q going something like this:

"25 sec left after timeout and Lillard got the ball. What was the plan?"
coaches answer: "I wanted to get the ball in his hands.... Going for a quick two, quick score, whatever he can create."

Whatever he can create? I'm not expert, but really, that's the plan for last 25 sec in playoff game?

And second question was about Nurk not getting enough shots and if this will change in second game. Stotts said "that's kind on him. He's got the decision to make.." And it was something like: If he can somehow get to the ball, he can shoot.

I must say that both statements are shocking for me. Can we win a playoff series with kind of "So, here is the ball, you guys do something, lets go!" coach attitude?
 
Chris Craig said:
In game 2 and beyond Blazers need to

*Attack the Paint in heavy doses. Too many contended threes and flaccid jumpers.

* Feed the beast. Feed Nurk inside abd feed him early. Have him get physical down in the block and get AD abd Mirotic in foul trouble.

*Defense Defense Defense! Get those fucking hands up.

*Go under the pick to attack the basket and be ready to throw out to open fuys on the arc if the defense collapses. No 1-3 1-4 shots. That only creates turn overs.

*Keep the offense moving. The Blazers movement stagnated quickly in game 1, almost to stand still, with players watching as the opponents took shots and dribbled around them. The Blazers made defense far to easy for the Pels. Keep moving .

*High percentage field goals.

*Basket before foul. Don't rely on fouls getting called. Most of the time it probably won't. Focus on making the basket, if you get the foul great. Otherwise get back to the other end. Play solid D (Solid D creates offensive oppurtunity) and repeat.
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roroyo said:


So, I'm not sure if you guys talk about it yet, but things coach Stotts said in this interview were just disturbing to me. First there's a q going something like this:

"25 sec left after timeout and Lillard got the ball. What was the plan?"
coaches answer: "I wanted to get the ball in his hands.... Going for a quick two, quick score, whatever he can create."

Whatever he can create? I'm not expert, but really, that's the plan for last 25 sec in playoff game?

And second question was about Nurk not getting enough shots and if this will change in second game. Stotts said "that's kind on him. He's got the decision to make.." And it was something like: If he can somehow get to the ball, he can shoot.

I must say that both statements are shocking for me. Can we win a playoff series with kind of "So, here is the ball, you guys do something, lets go!" coach attitude?
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>You and I can coach for 50 grand less. I always said that the coaches' job is finding the best advantages on matchups, understanding and utilizing your player's skills, insert the best players in a critical situation and actually creating a plan to win a game. Coaching is a management job in the NBA because you should not have to teach a player how to play ball.
 
roroyo said:


So, I'm not sure if you guys talk about it yet, but things coach Stotts said in this interview were just disturbing to me. First there's a q going something like this:

"25 sec left after timeout and Lillard got the ball. What was the plan?"
coaches answer: "I wanted to get the ball in his hands.... Going for a quick two, quick score, whatever he can create."

Whatever he can create? I'm not expert, but really, that's the plan for last 25 sec in playoff game?

And second question was about Nurk not getting enough shots and if this will change in second game. Stotts said "that's kind on him. He's got the decision to make.." And it was something like: If he can somehow get to the ball, he can shoot.

I must say that both statements are shocking for me. Can we win a playoff series with kind of "So, here is the ball, you guys do something, lets go!" coach attitude?
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That is Stotts' plan for the last 24 seconds of every quarter of every game.
 
roroyo said:


So, I'm not sure if you guys talk about it yet, but things coach Stotts said in this interview were just disturbing to me. First there's a q going something like this:

"25 sec left after timeout and Lillard got the ball. What was the plan?"
coaches answer: "I wanted to get the ball in his hands.... Going for a quick two, quick score, whatever he can create."

Whatever he can create? I'm not expert, but really, that's the plan for last 25 sec in playoff game?

And second question was about Nurk not getting enough shots and if this will change in second game. Stotts said "that's kind on him. He's got the decision to make.." And it was something like: If he can somehow get to the ball, he can shoot.

I must say that both statements are shocking for me. Can we win a playoff series with kind of "So, here is the ball, you guys do something, lets go!" coach attitude?
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I've been getting that feeling as well. Been going on all season: the "here, you take it, no here, you take it" way that we play basketball is pathetic. We have nothing but the PnR. If it wasn't for that with Nurk, we'd be a 30 win team.

I didn't watch that press conference. I don't need him to tell me the obvious. But if he honestly said what you said he did, then that tells me that he may have already been fired, and that he's just going through the motions.
 
You guys buy this? I don't have the stomach to rewatch that game to confirm.

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40019426-4
I was skeptical when Portland Trail Blazers players and coaches insisted after their Game 1 loss to the New Orleans Pelicans that they'd simply missed good shot attempts, but Second Spectrum tracking data backed up that belief. The Blazers' quantified shot quality (qSQ) of 54.9 percent -- the effective field-goal percentage we'd expect given the location and type of their shots and nearby defenders -- was the best any team had in Saturday's Game 1s. Even when we account for who was shooting using quantified shot probability (qSP), only the Golden State Warriors (56.0 percent) got better looks than Portland (55.3 percent). That's good news for the Blazers because I've found that shot making tends to be more variable from game to game than shot quality.
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I know you are playing until someone wins 4 but if we dropped two games at home we really would have a mountain to climb in the upcoming games in New Orleans. We must win this one to tie the series as this will take some pressure off when we head over there (we would essentially need to win 1 of 2 to reclaim the homecourt advantage).
 
yuyuza1 said:
You guys buy this? I don't have the stomach to rewatch that game to confirm.

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40019426-4
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If you consider shots by Aminu and Turner to be "good shots", then sure - I might buy it. And yeah, Dame would normally make a higher percentage of those shots. From a statistical POV we way underperformed. But no - regardless of whether the shots were open, or even who was taking the shots, it was clear we had NO CLUE as to what we wanted to do offensively. Everything we did was a mess - even when it resulted in an open jumper. We stumbled into those jumpers because every "play" (I use that term very loosely) was broken.

There is no playbook, there is no game plan, there is only "FLOW". It's the laziest, most elementary form of basketball ever played in the NBA, and only kinda works because Dame is such a damned good player, and he has a small handful of very capable players around him.

Game 1 perfectly encapsulated our entire season:
  • Poor start
  • Poor middle
  • Win Streak / Come-back
  • Poor end
If it weren't for the Win Streak / Come-back both the season and the game would have been full-on disasters. And neither the Win Streak nor the Come-back where due to coaching. The win streak, much like the one in the McMillan/Roy era, was just a team getting hot - Dame and CJ were shooting unbelievable percentages, and the team clicked. The come-back in G1 was purely the result of hustle on defense that resulted into easy points on offense. In neither scenario did Terry make an adjustment and design the outcome.

It's unfortunate that the Win Streak and Come-back obfuscate just how bad we are - for too many people they just see the W/L record and the final score and think "3rd seed!" or "close loss!", but while that's certainly the reality we're living in, it doesn't reflect the whole truth.
 
blue9 said:
If you consider shots by Aminu and Turner to be "good shots", then sure - I might buy it. And yeah, Dame would normally make a higher percentage of those shots. From a statistical POV we way underperformed. But no - regardless of whether the shots were open, or even who was taking the shots, it was clear we had NO CLUE as to what we wanted to do offensively. Everything we did was a mess - even when it resulted in an open jumper. We stumbled into those jumpers because every "play" (I use that term very loosely) was broken.

There is no playbook, there is no game plan, there is only "FLOW". It's the laziest, most elementary form of basketball ever played in the NBA, and only kinda works because Dame is such a damned good player, and he has a small handful of very capable players around him.

Game 1 perfectly encapsulated our entire season:
  • Poor start
  • Poor middle
  • Win Streak / Come-back
  • Poor end
If it weren't for the Win Streak / Come-back both the season and the game would have been full-on disasters. And neither the Win Streak nor the Come-back where due to coaching. The win streak, much like the one in the McMillan/Roy era, was just a team getting hot - Dame and CJ were shooting unbelievable percentages, and the team clicked. The come-back in G1 was purely the result of hustle on defense that resulted into easy points on offense. In neither scenario did Terry make an adjustment and design the outcome.

It's unfortunate that the Win Streak and Come-back obfuscate just how bad we are - for too many people they just see the W/L record and the final score and think "3rd seed!" or "close loss!", but while that's certainly the reality we're living in, it doesn't reflect the whole truth.
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This is just such a pessimistic view i don't know where to start. Ridiculous. Absolutely no credit given to anyone in the entire franchise other than Dame.

Not even going to approach the season and win streak but i will address the game.
I actually sat and watched the game again last night. Not only did Stotts make multiple adjustments during that game but he kept working until he found something that did work. Then he made Gentry adjust to him. The Pels could not answer. Stotts actually out coached Gentry but some shots didn't fall. It's as simple as that. The craziest part is you totally contradict yourself in this post. You address the shots "Being Open" but then say they "Had no clue what they wanted to do". What they want to do is get open shots. Of which there were plenty. You are on total meltdown at this point. Better check yourself. If Dame and Cj just hit a couple more shots not to mention everyone else that game is a win going away. I'm not even saying they shoot average. If the team shoots 40% that game isn't a contest. Sorry to burst the negative bubble.
 
kjironman1 said:
This is just such a pessimistic view i don't know where to start. Ridiculous. Absolutely no credit given to anyone in the entire franchise other than Dame.

Not even going to approach the season and win streak but i will address the game.
I actually sat and watched the game again last night. Not only did Stotts make multiple adjustments during that game but he kept working until he found something that did work. Then he made Gentry adjust to him. The Pels could not answer. Stotts actually out coached Gentry but some shots didn't fall. It's as simple as that. The craziest part is you totally contradict yourself in this post. You address the shots "Being Open" but then say they "Had no clue what they wanted to do". What they want to do is get open shots. Of which there were plenty. You are on total meltdown at this point. Better check yourself. If Dame and Cj just hit a couple more shots not to mention everyone else that game is a win going away. I'm not even saying they shoot average. If the team shoots 40% that game isn't a contest. Sorry to burst the negative bubble.
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You're really gonna make me rewatch this, aren't you?

Doris on ESPN kept mentioning how exhausted AD and Mirotic were in the fourth quarter. Maybe we'll wear them out with our off ball motion and constant cutting. What pisses me off is that the movement never actually leads to direct passes for easier shots. Seems like motion just to run around.

But that's besides the point. It's no coincidence that guys like CJ/Dame/Moe/and in the past Mo Will and Nico were among league leaders in miles traveled during the game.
 
Hoping for Playoff Dame to show up in game 2
 
yuyuza1 said:
Doris on ESPN kept mentioning how exhausted AD and Mirotic were in the fourth quarter. Maybe we'll wear them out with our off ball motion and constant cutting. What pisses me off is that the movement never actually leads to direct passes for easier shots. Seems like motion just to run around.
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Exactly - the ball rarely changes position on the floor. It just moves in a small arc outside the 3-point line between 4:00 and 8:00 (if the top of the arc is 6:00). Then sometimes someone will dribble towards the hoop - rarely does the ball get passed towards the hoop. Occasionally we'll hit Nurk/Turner in the post.
 
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