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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Why so many long explanations?

Getting to the playoffs this year is like meeting a group of beautiful women but fooling around with the easiest and least attractive one right away.

Then the ones you like find out and want nothing to do with you.

Don't be stupid people.
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and it turns out the least attractive is the best of the bunch anyway
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Why so many long explanations?

Getting to the playoffs this year is like meeting a group of beautiful women but fooling around with the easiest and least attractive one right away.

Then the ones you like find out and want nothing to do with you.

Don't be stupid people.
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Hell of a response.
 
It would be nice if someone would change the title of this thread to refer to playoffs vs. the no. 14 pick instead of no. 4. That's a lot more realistic as to what we're looking at.

I'll just stick with CJ and Dame's responses on this topic:

"I felt the same way with my Browns," McCollum said. "So I understand what some (Blazers fans) are going through, wanting to get a pick. But as competitors, we're not going to give away games. We're going to try to win every night. We're trying to make a playoff push. We don't play this game for draft picks. We play this game because we love it and we want to win. I'm sure if you asked (owner) Mr. (Paul) Allen, Neil (Olshey) all the same stuff, they'll give you the same answers."

"We like the team that we have," Lillard said. "We have a lot of talented guys who were high drafts picks in here. So we're not going to go out and not try to win games because of one draft pick that we don't even know if they're going to turn out to be a good NBA player. We've got a young team, so we can start building toward the future. It's not like we brought a bunch of bums in here. We've got good players. This is building toward the future."

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ers_remain_motivated_by_playoff_push_not.html
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Why so many long explanations?

Getting to the playoffs this year is like meeting a group of beautiful women but fooling around with the easiest and least attractive one right away.

Then the ones you like find out and want nothing to do with you.

Don't be stupid people.
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At least in the first option you get laid.
 
Being stupid depends on your value system. If thinking the team is capable of overachieving is stupid, then I'll own it. I think drooling over a crapshoot draft pick is like throwing away a fun season for promises of having a fun season three years from now
 
riverman said:
Being stupid depends on your value system. If thinking the team is capable of overachieving is stupid, then I'll own it. I think drooling over a crapshoot draft pick is like throwing away a fun season for promises of having a fun season three years from now
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It's fun either way, so who really cares?
 
e_blazer said:
It would be nice if someone would change the title of this thread to refer to playoffs vs. the no. 14 pick instead of no. 4. That's a lot more realistic as to what we're looking at.
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You've mentioned that a couple times, but I just don't see it. At all. The question is pick or no pick. Good/bad pick and good/bad playoff experience are just wild ass guesses at this point. The pick is added value no matter what.
 
handiman said:
You've mentioned that a couple times, but I just don't see it. At all. The question is pick or no pick. Good/bad pick and good/bad playoff experience are just wild ass guesses at this point. The pick is added value no matter what.
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But added to what? I don't base my thought process on the simple "will we or won't we" aspect of the draft pick, so much as, "how good will the team have to be in order to make the playoffs?" IMO, in order for us to make it through our murderous 2/27-3/24 stretch and still be in playoff position, we'll have to be seeing consistent solid contributions from Crabbe, Vonleh, and Leonard, as well as significant defensive improvement from CJ, Dame, and Plumlee. If those things happen, and we win enough games to make the 8 seed (or better?), then we'll be better off overall than if we add another 11 pick to a squad that doesn't improve significantly from what we've seen so far.
 
Strenuus said:
It's fun either way, so who really cares?
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In the words of Olshey,, no NBA player wants to lose to bring in his own replacement..they play to win and keep their spots. I think every player on the roster cares.
 
riverman said:
In the words of Olshey,, no NBA player wants to lose to bring in his own replacement..they play to win and keep their spots. I think every player on the roster cares.
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About 9/10th of the players wouldn't be "bringing in a replacement" since it's most likely not their position getting "replaced". so that seems kinda silly. GM speak, for sure.

Again, though, it's fun either way, so who really cares?
 
In the end, the chances are better than good that you guys get the draft pick, but until the fat lady sings, I want them to go down fighting tooth and nail
 
e_blazer said:
At least in the first option you get laid.
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Ok, we'll change it. You meet Kingspeed and 5 beautiful women friends of his. You think he's dreamy and you just have to experiment. No shame in that if that's what you want.

But, you realize you don't like guys and want one of his friends. Now they don't want you anymore.

Still happy that you got laid?
 
e_blazer said:
It would be nice if someone would change the title of this thread to refer to playoffs vs. the no. 14 pick instead of no. 4. That's a lot more realistic as to what we're looking at.

*snip*

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ers_remain_motivated_by_playoff_push_not.html
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Not really. Because the East is so much better than the west this year, the 9th seed in the west will probably end up picking in the 9-11 range. It would be trivial for this team to hit the skids during their rough patch and end up with the 6-7th pick.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Not really. Because the East is so much better than the west this year, the 9th seed in the west will probably end up picking in the 9-11 range. It would be trivial for this team to hit the skids during their rough patch and end up with the 6-7th pick.
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You're right about not getting the 14th pick and the most likely being in the 9-11 range. I have a hard time seeing the Blazers dropping below the Nuggets, Bucks and Pelicans to get the 6th pick, but it's not out of the realm of the possible. Fourth pick is pretty damned unlikely in any realistic look at the final order.
 
Currently there are 6 teams in the East.( 8-13) who are within a game of Portland. I think we can all agree that we should root for them all to finish ahead of us. That way if we finish in 9th in the West, it would give us the 10th best chance in the lottery. 10 has to be better than 15.

In the mean time we can remain divided on where we want to finish in the west.
 
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handiman said:
You've mentioned that a couple times, but I just don't see it. At all. The question is pick or no pick. Good/bad pick and good/bad playoff experience are just wild ass guesses at this point. The pick is added value no matter what.
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The title to the thread is Playoffs vs. No. 4 Pick. If the Blazers had a realistic shot at the No. 4 pick, which could pretty easily bounce up to the No. 1 pick via the lottery, I'd be more inclined to be in the tanker camp. For all of the reasons I've mentioned before, tanking to get a No. 9 to No. 11 pick isn't likely to to move the needle enough to be worth the exercise.
 
e_blazer said:
You're right about not getting the 14th pick and the most likely being in the 9-11 range. I have a hard time seeing the Blazers dropping below the Nuggets, Bucks and Pelicans to get the 6th pick, but it's not out of the realm of the possible. Fourth pick is pretty damned unlikely in any realistic look at the final order.
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Plus I am not convinced that the other teams in the East really are that much better. If they are then that means theoretically they should have a tougher schedule the rest of the way.Because they play each other. We know our schedule is tough, but have we analyzed everyone else's?

Same with the West. How hard of a schedule does Utah and Sac have in March/April?
 
What would really piss me off would be for the Blazers to intentionally tank because they want the pick and don't want to play the Warriors in the first round, and then have the Warriors lose Curry and Green to injuries.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
By the way, I'm not trying to be a dick. But I thought my last anal ogy would be one you could get behind.
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Yeah, your analogy really went off the rails for me on that one. Eric is cute and all, but I'm just not wired that way.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
But added to what?
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Doesn't matter. Added is added.

If those things happen, and we win enough games to make the 8 seed (or better?), then we'll be better off overall than if we add another 11 pick to a squad that doesn't improve significantly from what we've seen so far.
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Now we're back to wild ass guesses. :)

e_blazer said:
The title to the thread is Playoffs vs. No. 4 Pick.
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Call it Playoffs vs. Pick, if it makes you happier. The pick is still guaranteed added value. Trying to say the same of making the playoffs is 100% wishful thinking.
 
handiman said:
Doesn't matter. Added is added.



Now we're back to wild ass guesses. :)
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Yes, it matters, because the pick and the team's development aren't independent of one another. In fact, they are interrelated. We keep the pick with a worse record. We keep it with a better record. These aren't "wild-ass guesses"; these are facts. A logical analysis of the situation takes all the facts into account. You however are free to ignore the reality of the situation; that's your prerogative.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
In all honesty how big is the talent gap between 4-14 this season? Doesn't seem that large.
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Kris Dunn is #4 in both DraftExpress and NBADraft.net. He is MILES ahead of the guys at #14 people have never even heard of.

e_blazer said:
The title to the thread is Playoffs vs. No. 4 Pick. If the Blazers had a realistic shot at the No. 4 pick, which could pretty easily bounce up to the No. 1 pick via the lottery, I'd be more inclined to be in the tanker camp. For all of the reasons I've mentioned before, tanking to get a No. 9 to No. 11 pick isn't likely to to move the needle enough to be worth the exercise.
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Obviously #4 part has changed (as mentioned in a following post) but at the time posted, they were 1/2 a game from the #4 spot.
 
e_blazer said:
What would really piss me off would be for the Blazers to intentionally tank because they want the pick and don't want to play the Warriors in the first round, and then have the Warriors lose Curry and Green to injuries.
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That's why they play the games.
 
TBpup said:
Kris Dunn is #4 in both DraftExpress and NBADraft.net. He is MILES ahead of the guys at #14 people have never even heard of.
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Realistically Dunn wouldn't be an option for this team as we have two really good similar players. Simmons, Ingram and Brown are the only right away impact players we would want. Dragan and Skal could be others but idk too much about them.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Realistically Dunn wouldn't be an option for this team as we have two really good similar players. Simmons, Ingram and Brown are the only right away impact players we would want. Dragan and Skal could be others but idk too much about them.
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Of course Dunn wouldn't be a good fit but that wasn't the statement being responded to.
 
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