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...racism is a type of bias...there will always be bias in one form or another....and it is not going away anytime soon, if ever. And one of the biggest problems is the fact that it's brought up all the time, whether it has merit or not...and most of the time I don't believe it does.

...people can talk about it, they can preach about it, they can write about, they can try to legislate it, they can frown on it, etc., but it won't change the way things are.

...people can claim they're not racist, they can put their hand on a bible and swear they're not racist, they may even subconsciously believe they're not racist...but in their heart of hearts, deep down inside, most people are racist, no matter how much they may say otherwise.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...racism is a type of bias...there will always be bias in one form or another....and it is not going away anytime soon, if ever. And one of the biggest problems is the fact that it's brought up all the time, whether it has merit or not...and most of the time I don't believe it does.

...people can talk about it, they can preach about it, they can write about, they can try to legislate it, they can frown on it, etc., but it won't change the way things are.

...people can claim they're not racist, they can put their hand on a bible and swear they're not racist, they may even subconsciously believe they're not racist...but in their heart of hearts, deep down inside, most people are racist, no matter how much they may say otherwise.
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I'm in full agreement Ron but in this case is was CLEARLY not about race for several reasons, #1 he was arrested because some eye witness pointed him out saying, "HIM! that's the guy". proved that it was a case of mistaken idenity as he resembled the guy they were actually after. And #2 James Blake is lighter than many white people I know. And #3 as I mentioned even Blake himself said it wasn't about race.

The media fans the flames in case like this, the very day the story broke the newspapers were quick to put the labels on the people involved. "The officer who is WHITE tackled Blake who is BLACK" etc etc.

I'm just getting so sick over all this shit. Wake the fuck up people, its not ALWAYS about race.
 
Rick2583 said:
I'm in full agreement Ron but in this case is was CLEARLY not about race for several reasons, #1 he was arrested because some eye witness pointed him out saying, "HIM! that's the guy". proved that it was a case of mistaken idenity as he resembled the guy they were actually after. And #2 James Blake is lighter than many white people I know. And #3 as I mentioned even Blake himself said it wasn't about race.

The media fans the flames in case like this, the very day the story broke the newspapers were quick to put the labels on the people involved. "The officer who is WHITE tackled Blake who is BLACK" etc etc.

I'm just getting so sick over all this shit. Wake the fuck up people, its not ALWAYS about race.
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Was it Ruben Hurricane Carter......?
 
Rick2583 said:
I'm in full agreement Ron but in this case is was CLEARLY not about race for several reasons, #1 he was arrested because some eye witness pointed him out saying, "HIM! that's the guy". proved that it was a case of mistaken idenity as he resembled the guy they were actually after. And #2 James Blake is lighter than many white people I know. And #3 as I mentioned even Blake himself said it wasn't about race.

The media fans the flames in case like this, the very day the story broke the newspapers were quick to put the labels on the people involved. "The officer who is WHITE tackled Blake who is BLACK" etc etc.

I'm just getting so sick over all this shit. Wake the fuck up people, its not ALWAYS about race.
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...I understand...I was just making a general observation about my feelings on racism.
 
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There is a much deeper issue that people ignore. We have evolved to identified differences and to instinctually classified them. Social constructs and Law in opposition to nature will always lead to conflict. Nature has the benefit of time, society does not. Eventually the balance shifts and order is restored. Racial perspectives are instinctual.

Don't blame me....blame your ancestors for being dfumb fucks.
 
...yup, and like I said, part of the problem with addressing racism is because it's talked about incessantly, and perpetuated mostly by the media...a lot of the news, which they alone decide what it newsworthy and what is not, may not even be a racial issue but often times they try awfully hard to spin it into one....and most of what the media spoon feeds us is garbage anyway, racial or otherwise.
 
Rick2583 said:
I'm in full agreement Ron but in this case is was CLEARLY not about race for several reasons, #1 he was arrested because some eye witness pointed him out saying, "HIM! that's the guy". proved that it was a case of mistaken idenity as he resembled the guy they were actually after. And #2 James Blake is lighter than many white people I know. And #3 as I mentioned even Blake himself said it wasn't about race.

The media fans the flames in case like this, the very day the story broke the newspapers were quick to put the labels on the people involved. "The officer who is WHITE tackled Blake who is BLACK" etc etc.

I'm just getting so sick over all this shit. Wake the fuck up people, its not ALWAYS about race.
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Ok, it isn't about race, but let's talk racial tensions. You know I got the shit beat out of me inside a McDonald's by 4 black thugs, 3 wearing brass knuckles.

I was Hit numerous times in the head, (back in April), with a deadly weapon, and I never once went down, not after 5 minutes of being pummeled on from all 4 sides. The Cops arrived quickly, and those fks fled, this was in the middle of the Baltimore riots in mid-april..........

I had a broken nose for the 5th time (and look like Jimmy Durante), a nasty Concussion, that lasted a couple of days, had one eye swollen shut, and could barely open my mouth for a month, a fractured jaw bone, (not enough to work on)......

It was apparent, no question at all, this incident, WAS a racial fiasco, spawned by TV Coverage, of epic bullshit proportions. 2 guys now sit in Jail, the other 2 not to be found....
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flash forward-

My Wife, Kim met this very kind (older than me) woman, who lives but a 1/2 mile away. Both befriended each other, way back when we moved in March. Kim and I, think the world of this black lady, and would do damn near anything in the world for her, within reason. This woman's name, for clarity is Miss Lilly........(Ironic, since we have our own Miss Lillie). Miss Lilly is always bringing me over Southern Comfort food, greens, black eyed peas, okra, Peach Cobbler, a real treat; a great woman after my own heart, via the belly route......

Lilly's Mom, 88 yrs. old, living in Compton all her life; less her first 22 yrs, (when she lived in Mississippi). Seeing all the 60s riots, Watts, Chicago, Memphis, Indianapolis, as well as all the other racial bullshit, she's seen in her lifetime, has hardened Lilly's Mom. To a point, Lilly called Kim yesterday, asking her to come over; which she did.

Lilly and Her Mom, were at odds over racial affairs. Lilly's Mom, had said: "I don't care if a White Man opens the door for me, I will not walk thru those doors or accept such from any white man". Lilly is as un-biased at they come, and was pissed off, and hurt by her Mom's comments, while several others (all blacks) at Her house, were stoking the flames of racial hatred. So, Kim arrives, and Lilly says, "how about this White Angel, do you hate her too?" Of which Her Mom said, "no we love Kim."
Kim replied back: "My Husband opens doors for anyone, especially black folks, and they always say Thank You".......

Like figuring out a mega mathematical formula, a light went off in Lilly's Mom's head, and Her Mom said, "oh Lord, I have denied our Lord, and am not walking in Christs shoes, shame on me"......

end of story ~
 
totus44 said:
There is a much deeper issue that people ignore. We have evolved to identified differences and to instinctually classified them. Social constructs and Law in opposition to nature will always lead to conflict. Nature has the benefit of time, society does not. Eventually the balance shifts and order is restored. Racial perspectives are instinctual.

Don't blame me....blame your ancestors for being dfumb fucks.
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...^^^

Amen Tote, amen.......(Have you ever thought of wasting your talents and running for a Political Office??? [I'm serious Tote], Because you'd get My vote....

BTW- My Fortune Cookie Reads: "prepare for War".....
 
yankeesince59 said:
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"kick 'em when their up, kick 'em when their down"

On Don Henley: 1989 - Don's album "End of the Innocence" up for a grammy vs Bonnie Raitt's "Nick of Time".

both LP's were excellent, yet I thought Henley's Lp was a better LP tune by tune and overall. Raitt's LP was worthy of the Grammy she won, over Henley's...tho' I still listen to both LP's, I have never got over My belief, that Don, IMHO; should've won that Grammy.......

59, Who were you pulling for during the 89 Grammy Awards...? Just curious, both were worthy, and I thought at the least, the Grammy Voters, should of done as much, what's your take.....?
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Can't say I have that itch, but thanks.

For millenia humans evolved...uggg strange man, look different than my tribe. Can't trust, don't know intent....

A concept so validated because those that went against that grain likely were killed and those genes did not propagate. Fast forward to today...take the dog for a walk. Pass a black kid with a hoodie....kid is afraid of dog and dog growls. Dog never growls at people...what did my instincts learn? Black kids in hoodies that fear dobermans are likely not to be trusted.
 
yankeesince59 said:
"There's battle lines being drawn,
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong".
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"For what its worth" You know its amazing how many people thought that song was an anti-war protest song when actually it was about the 1966 sunset strip riots.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
59, Who were you pulling for during the 89 Grammy Awards...? Just curious, both were worthy, and I thought at the least, the Grammy Voters, should of done as much, what's your take.....?
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...I'm a huge Eagles/Henley fan but luckily I'm also a huge fan of Bonnie Raitt...so I couldn't lose.
 
Rick2583 said:
"For what its worth" You know its amazing how many people thought that song was an anti-war protest song when actually it was about the 1966 sunset strip riots.
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^^^this is true...had NOTHING to do with Nam.
 
totus44 said:
Can't say I have that itch, but thanks.

For millenia humans evolved...uggg strange man, look different than my tribe. Can't trust, don't know intent....

A concept so validated because those that went against that grain likely were killed and those genes did not propagate. Fast forward to today...take the dog for a walk. Pass a black kid with a hoodie....kid is afraid of dog and dog growls. Dog never growls at people...what did my instincts learn? Black kids in hoodies that fear dobermans are likely not to be trusted.
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...which is why you have Dobes? :bgrin:
 
totus44 said:
There is a much deeper issue that people ignore. We have evolved to identified differences and to instinctually classified them. Social constructs and Law in opposition to nature will always lead to conflict. Nature has the benefit of time, society does not. Eventually the balance shifts and order is restored. Racial perspectives are instinctual.

Don't blame me....blame your ancestors for being dfumb fucks.
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...^^^

not just to the bold font, but the entire post, again Tote: Your as much a Mental Marksman; as you are with an AR-15, or any other Gun of your choice, I'm sure......!!
 
totus44 said:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-incarcerationmichael-vick-mass-incarceration

I saw and read this....Rick will pop in 3,2,1....
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Interesting article. Those who successfully rehabilitate, and go on to lead productive lives, realizing the error of their previous ways, often are over looked, when they succeed in turning their lives around. Perhaps because of the Majority of released Felons, who go on to create another Felony, or multiple Felonies.

More importantly, these guys (noted in story) took the proper actions to help turn troubled youths around, or provide their energies towards a cause to becoming the most out spoken, as living examples of one who did stupid things, and paid dearly for their errors.

Hoping they touch one kid, to not join a gang, or exit one. To Outreach Programs for inner city kids, of which they themselves came from.

It is sad, when one's fk up is what permanently defines them, due to ignorance of others, not versed enough to judge those like Vick.

I'd not give a pass to Pac Man Jones tho'. I despise the wannabe gangster idiot fk. His beating on Amari Cooper IMO revealed Pac Man should probably or will be playing on the Prison Playground; once again.

No more different than remembering the once NL Batting Champion, for letting a ground ball go through his legs, in Game 7 of the 86 Series? I never blamed that miscue on Buckner, his knees were so bad, Grady Little mega fkd up by not putting in a defensive replacement for Bill, especially in late innings.
 
Vick didn't just make a mistake, he perpetuated ongoing abuses to animals for pleasure. That's who he is....he'd still be doing it if he wasn't caught.
With few exceptions, people do not change.
 
totus44 said:
Vick didn't just make a mistake, he perpetuated ongoing abuses to animals for pleasure. That's who he is....he'd still be doing it if he wasn't caught.
With few exceptions, people do not change.
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As you said Tom, these guys aren't sorry for what they did, they're sorry they got caught plain & simple.
 
Fighting dogs and the training, abusing and killing them are serious defects in a human being. Sorry there is no rehabbing this evil. Vick deserves equal treatment and he knows prison was getting off light.
 
...I'm a dog lover too, but considering the prison time and what it cost him, I don't see how he got off light.
 
I think what bothered many people Ron is that he went from killing dogs to going back to make millions.
 
Rick2583 said:
I think what bothered many people Ron is that he went from killing dogs to going back to make millions.
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...not really...he's still paying off debts,...hell, when he did come back he even eventually had to pay back part of his $27 Mil signing bonus to the Falcons...not to mention massive legal fees.
...don't get me wrong, what he did was galactically stupid and criminal...but I don't think he got of easy, not at all.

...personally, I would not want him on my team...the Raiders...yeah, yeah, I know.
 
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totus44 said:
Anything short of his life/freedom was getting off light. Regarding the NFL he should have gotten a lifetime ban.
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At least Tom, I mean look at the owner of the SanDiego Clippers who got a lifetime ban & was forced to sell his team for making racist remarks while Vick is still entitled to do the thing he loves. Sorry but there's seriously something wrong with that picture.
 
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