Politics Please say rock bottom is getting close

[barfo]

It's not 50/50, dude. Take a look at the polling.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Half of U.S. adults say Israel’s 15-week-old military campaign in Gaza has “gone too far,” according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

And then he said out loud that he's a Zionist. He's going to get his ass handed to him in Michigan and it won't be anyone's fault but his own, no matter what you say differently.

If he gets his ass handed to him, it will indeed be his fault. And, I suppose, if the reverse happens, then it will be to his credit.

Oh, you're one of those. Biden can't do anything about anything because of the boogeyman that is Republicans. Like Obama couldn't do anything about abortion, but didn't because he and the party wanted to fundraise off of it. Sure thing. You're giving more reasons as to why the entire system needs to be uprooted and turned upside down.

Yeah, I'm one of those. One of those who realizes that a big majority in congress makes it possible to get more of your platform enacted.

I'm not one of those who thinks every legislative failure is due to corruption and/or lack of effort or refusal to use some imaginary leverage over other politicians.

barfo

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Right, Joe could have influenced the Justice department in that investigation. That certainly wouldn't have backfired in any way.
It's an odd suggestion from someone who is concerned about corruption, isn't it?

As for Manchin's wife, I would assume that she got the job in an attempt to influence Joe M. It obviously didn't work. What more could have been done (legally)?

I'm not suggesting that. He could have told Joe that he would give his wife a job if he played ball and stopped listening to his donors. He could have said, he could make his daughter's life extremely difficult if he didn't play ball. Let's not pretend those types of deals aren't made all the time.

He's been a politician his entire career, no doubt.

Yup.

That's fine. I don't think we disagree about reality on this, just about what word to use to describe it.

barfo

I think most people would describe it as corruption, regardless if it's legal or not. It being legal just gives credence that the system needs to be ripped from its roots.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Half of U.S. adults say Israel’s 15-week-old military campaign in Gaza has “gone too far,” according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/americans-want-cease-fire-new-poll/

If he gets his ass handed to him, it will indeed be his fault. And, I suppose, if the reverse happens, then it will be to his credit.

Yeah, or we're underestimating the sheer hatred for Donald Trump. Nobody I know who voted for Biden was particularly excited by him. We know what he is. We just despised Trump that much more.

Yeah, I'm one of those. One of those who realizes that a big majority in congress makes it possible to get more of your platform enacted.

I'm not one of those who thinks every legislative failure is due to corruption and/or lack of effort or refusal to use some imaginary leverage over other politicians.

barfo

Anytime you're citing the Parliamentarian as to why you can't make good on your election promises, there's definitely credence being given to the thought that Democrats promise one thing and sabotage their promises purposefully so that they don't succeed. There's always a foil that comes out of nowhere and no pressure put on those foils. Instead, they just keep praising Manchin and how Sinema is so smart. They were great fall guys. Biden could have done more on the student loan debt debacle. We disagree that there isn't a slight of words and intentions happening regularly. Washington is all theater.

 

[barfo]

I'm not suggesting that. He could have told Joe that he would give his wife a job if he played ball and stopped listening to his donors. He could have said, he could make his daughter's life extremely difficult if he didn't play ball. Let's not pretend those types of deals aren't made all the time.

On the wife job, we don't know for sure that that wasn't the deal, either express or implied.
Maybe Manchin reneged on his end. Or maybe it was to get his vote on something else (the infrastructure act, for example).

On the daughter, what you are proposing would be corrupt by ANY definition of corruption. Do you only object to corruption when it doesn't serve your ends?

barfo

 

[barfo]

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/americans-want-cease-fire-new-poll/.

Wow, peace is popular. Who knew?

Yeah, or we're underestimating the sheer hatred for Donald Trump. Nobody I know who voted for Biden was particularly excited by him. We know what he is. We just despised Trump that much more.

Yes, that's correct. But votes count the same no matter what emotion they were cast with.

Anytime you're citing the Parliamentarian as to why you can't make good on your election promises, there's definitely credence being given to the thought that Democrats promise one thing and sabotage their promises purposefully so that they don't succeed. There's always a foil that comes out of nowhere and no pressure put on those foils. Instead, they just keep praising Manchin and how Sinema is so smart.

Who the fuck is praising Manchin and Sinema, other than specifically to try to get them to play ball?

They were great fall guys. Biden could have done more on the student loan debt debacle. We disagree that there isn't a slight of words and intentions happening regularly. Washington is all theater.

Yeah, we disagree. You believe the President has magic powers to accomplish whatever you want, regardless of any opposition from voters and/or congress. I don't.

barfo

 

[Sheldon Shape]

On the wife job, we don't know for sure that that wasn't the deal, either express or implied.
Maybe Manchin reneged on his end. Or maybe it was to get his vote on something else (the infrastructure act, for example).

You're twisting yourself in knots trying to explain Biden's pitiful performance. You hold the job until you get what you want. If he reneged on his deal than the whole party would be admonishing him right now, but they're not. They kiss his ass.

On the daughter, what you are proposing would be corrupt by ANY definition of corruption. Do you only object to corruption when it doesn't serve your ends?

barfo

My ends? Or the American people's? Suddenly you understand what corruption means? I'm sure the American people wouldn't object. And for the record, I don't think that's corruption.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Wow, peace is popular. Who knew?

Apparently not Joe Biden?

Yes, that's correct. But votes count the same no matter what emotion they were cast with.

I don't see how that's relevant to wanting to give Biden credit if he won...

Who the fuck is praising Manchin and Sinema, other than specifically to try to get them to play ball?

Literally Joe Biden.

Yeah, we disagree. You believe the President has magic powers to accomplish whatever you want, regardless of any opposition from voters and/or congress. I don't.

barfo

When you can't make your point, you have to put words in my mouth to solve your premise. Congrats.

 

[barfo]

When you can't make your point, you have to put words in my mouth to solve your premise. Congrats.

Sure, that must be what's going on here.

barfo

 

[barfo]

You're twisting yourself in knots trying to explain Biden's pitiful performance. You hold the job until you get what you want. If he reneged on his deal than the whole party would be admonishing him right now, but they're not. They kiss his ass.

Because their judgement is kissing his ass is marginally more effective in getting his cooperation than admonishing him. Flies/honey, you know.

My ends? Or the American people's?

Your ends. You don't speak for the American people (nor do I).

Suddenly you understand what corruption means? I'm sure the American people wouldn't object. And for the record, I don't think that's corruption.

You don't think it's corrupt to threaten to sic the Justice department on someone in order to force them to vote the way you want?

Ok.

barfo

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Sure, that must be what's going on here.

barfo

Unless you can show me where I said that it literally is.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Because their judgement is kissing his ass is marginally more effective in getting his cooperation than admonishing him. Flies/honey, you know.

Suddenly you know things about negotiations. That's cute. Did it work?

Your ends. You don't speak for the American people (nor do I).

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I do because I look at polling. I'm on the side of the majority of Americans.

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You don't think it's corrupt to threaten to sic the Justice department on someone in order to force them to vote the way you want?

Ok.

barfo

Again, for some reason you can't make your points without putting words in my mouth. Sounds like nap time for you. Let's just stick to basketball since we're not going to agree that the Democrats make promises in good faith. (Most Americans don't believe that either.)

 

[barfo]

Again, for some reason you can't make your points without putting words in my mouth. Sounds like nap time for you. Let's just stick to basketball since we're not going to agree that the Democrats make promises in good faith. (Most Americans don't believe that either.)

Do we agree on basketball?

barfo

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Do we agree on basketball?

barfo

That we love the Blazers and Anfernee Simons must eventually be traded for this team to experience real success? Of course!

 

[barfo]

That we love the Blazers and Anfernee Simons must eventually be traded for this team to experience real success? Of course!

Yes, we love Anfernee Simons and the other Blazers must eventually be traded for this team to experience real success!

We are finally on the same page.

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

Dog hater & disrespectful bitch.
Woman slaps tourist across face in bizarre NYC pet store ...YouTube · NBC New York2 minutes, 23 seconds1 day ago

 

[crandc]

West Virginia state legislature overwhelmingly passed a bill amending obscenity law to enable felony charges with jail time against any teacher, librarian or museum curator who displays "obscene" material where minors can view it, even if accompaniment by parent or guardian. What is obscene? Any depiction or description of nudity, sex, or certain bodily functions.

Take your kids to art museum where nude paintings are displayed? Check out library book about sex education? Read popular book Gulp by Mary Roach, which describes in detail what happens to your nice dinner? Jail time.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

West Virginia state legislature overwhelmingly passed a bill amending obscenity law to enable felony charges with jail time against any teacher, librarian or museum curator who displays "obscene" material where minors can view it, even if accompaniment by parent or guardian. What is obscene? Any depiction or description of nudity, sex, or certain bodily functions.

Take your kids to art museum where nude paintings are displayed? Check out library book about sex education? Read popular book Gulp by Mary Roach, which describes in detail what happens to your nice dinner? Jail time.

According to the bill amended:

(k) “Obscene matter” means matter that:

(1) An average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, would find, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, is intended to appeal to the prurient interest, or is pandered to a prurient interest;
(2) An average person, applying community standards, would find depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexually explicit conduct; and
(3) A reasonable person would find, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.
​

Emphasized the "and" because it's important to recognize that all three qualifications must apply. So, no--their definition of obscene is not, "Any depiction or description of nudity, sex, or certain bodily functions."

 

[crandc]

Florida has a serious measles outbreak caused by antivaxxers. Are people being advised to keep sick children under quarantine so they won't infect others? Hell no. The quack state surgeon general said people sick with measles should not quarantine, children should go to school with measles and don't get vaccine.

Taking illness seriously is too woke for the free state of Florida.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Florida has a serious measles outbreak caused by antivaxxers. Are people being advised to keep sick children under quarantine so they won't infect others? Hell no. The quack state surgeon general said people sick with measles should not quarantine, children should go to school with measles and don't get vaccine.

Taking illness seriously is too woke for the free state of Florida.

https://apnews.com/article/measles-outbreak-florida-school-ladapo-259440881f1d5e11dc69ed64ff055418

 

[tlongII]

https://apnews.com/article/measles-outbreak-florida-school-ladapo-259440881f1d5e11dc69ed64ff055418

So that’s not exactly what the Florida Surgeon General said?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So that’s not exactly what the Florida Surgeon General said?

Not even close. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[crandc]

Not even close. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Are you saying that I made shit up?
He is saying children with measles need not quarantine.
He opposes vaccines.
In your article.

If you have something to say to me, say it to me.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Florida has a serious measles outbreak caused by antivaxxers. Are people being advised to keep sick children under quarantine so they won't infect others? Hell no. The quack state surgeon general said people sick with measles should not quarantine, children should go to school with measles and don't get vaccine.

Taking illness seriously is too woke for the free state of Florida.

“The letter notes that when a school has a measles outbreak, it is “normally recommended” that unvaccinated students who haven’t previously had the disease be kept home for three weeks “because of the high likelihood” they will be infected.
But the letter then says the state won’t turn that recommendation into a mandate, at least for now.”

They are being recommended or advised to stay at home. It’s just not a mandate, at least for now.

Florida has a serious measles outbreak caused by antivaxxers. Are people being advised to keep sick children under quarantine so they won't infect others? Hell no. The quack state surgeon general said people sick with measles should not quarantine, children should go to school with measles and don't get vaccine.

Taking illness seriously is too woke for the free state of Florida.

“ Spokesperson John Sullivan would not say if the six ill children are unvaccinated, citing privacy concerns.”

This says it's unknown to the public if they are vaccinated or not and even if they aren't, it doesn't state the parents are antivaxers.

Are you saying that I made shit up?
He is saying children with measles need not quarantine.
He opposes vaccines.
In your article.

If you have something to say to me, say it to me.

Sly posted the article. Not Platy.

Are you saying that I made shit up?
He is saying children with measles need not quarantine.
He opposes vaccines.
In your article.

If you have something to say to me, say it to me.

It seems that the majority of your original post is inaccurate. Portions of the second as well.

 

[Hoopguru]

I cannot believe that people would not vaccinate their kids for measles. Its proved to be be very effective and has saved many lives. Crazy

 

[crandc]

I apologize for naming wrong poster.

Yes, it is generally recommended to quarantine people with measles. Like by every public health and pediatric organization.
Quarantine is inconvenient. The quack is saying if it's too much trouble then send kids to school. No reputable person let alone doctor should say that.
The school due to privacy won't release medical information about an individual. That is correct. But simple fact, the measles vaccine is extremely effective. The likelihood that six vaccinated people in a community would all get measles is astronomically unlikely.
What I said is consistent with the article and factual.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I apologize for naming wrong poster.

Yes, it is generally recommended to quarantine people with measles. Like by every public health and pediatric organization.
Quarantine is inconvenient. The quack is saying if it's too much trouble then send kids to school. No reputable person let alone doctor should say that.
The school due to privacy won't release medical information about an individual. That is correct. But simple fact, the measles vaccine is extremely effective. The likelihood that six vaccinated people in a community would all get measles is astronomically unlikely.
What I said is consistent with the article and factual.

Nothing in the article has the "quack" saying anything about allowing sick children to go to school. The article says that he is--against federal guidelines--allowing healthy, unvaccinated children attend school rather than stay home for 3 weeks.

Your post is indisputably factually inaccurate.

I disagree with the Florida Surgeon General as well, but I'd rather disagree with something he actually said (probably also without insulting him, but that's just personal preference).

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

...What I said is consistent with the article and factual.

Just to confirm, You think these two things below are the same and consistent in definition?

...The quack state surgeon general said people sick with measles should not quarantine...

“The letter notes that when a school has a measles outbreak, it is “normally recommended” that unvaccinated students who haven’t previously had the disease be kept home for three weeks “because of the high likelihood” they will be infected.
But the letter then says the state won’t turn that recommendation into a mandate, at least for now.”



You think that recommending they stay home, but parents to make the decision, is the same as saying they should not quarantine?

I'm pretty sure that is not the same thing, and the claim they were told they should not quarantine, is false and misinformation. Debunking your statement I quoted above that what you said is consistent with the article and factual.

I vehemently disagree with what you claim is factual and consistent with the article. Please don't mix this up with a defense of the surgeon general, as I think they should quarantine as well, but merely pointing out your claim is inaccurate on multiple levels, based on the article posted vs what you posted.
I never read anywhere, after searching out other sources as well, that the surgeon general ever said they should not quarantine, as you claimed and then asserted was consistent and factual.

I apologize for naming wrong poster.

All good. Like I've never made a mistake?

 

[Chris Craig]

Florida's surgeon general who was infamously against covid vaccines, refuses to follow CDC guidelines, which state that it should be mandatory that unvaccinated students stay home for three weeks in the event of a measles outbreak.

While the state is not required to follow said guidelines, it is highly irresponsible and dangerous during a measles outbreak to leave this decision up to parents, which the surgeon general has decided to do.

The measles is even more infectious than the chickenpox, and can cause dangerous complications. An outbreak should be taken seriously. The article states that Florida doctors are against this, (though I'm sure you could find a few that would say otherwise) and cites one doctor who I agree with. To contain an outbreak you don't just allow everything to go on as usual. You quarantine sick and unvaccinated individuals to quell the spread. If you are vaccinated you are very unlikely to get the measles.

I get that keeping a child home for several weeks does create a bit of a burden on families with work and everything, but unvaccinated kids are going to get sick and have to stay home weeks anyway. Why not keep them home healthy rather than to force them to get sick first. That makes no sense.

 

[Hoopguru]

I thought it was a law in Oregon that kids be vaccinated for measles and other? Im sure there is some waiver attached however?

 

[Chris Craig]

I thought it was a law in Oregon that kids be vaccinated for measles and other? Im sure there is some waiver attached however?

Oregon law requires that all children attending K-12 to be vaccinated. Parents can put in a claim with the state for an exemption, either medical (there is some reason such as a medical condition in which a child cannot receive a vaccine because it could interact with their condition and cause harm) or non medical (religion etc.) Either a current list of vaccinations or an approved exemption must be on file for a student to attend.