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Phatguysrule said:
You can't stop that money source without the help of the Democrats. The only option is to get the Democrats on the correct page with as many independents as possible.

We can't do anything about Israel or Ukraine or anything in any other country until Democrats get their shit figured out. Or until people lose complete faith in the Democrats and a valid alternative arises.

Either way, anything happening in any other country has almost no bearing on that.
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I've already provided countless pieces of evidence why this is absolutely false. Kamala lost on Palestine.

What do you want to do to get the Democrats on the correct page? Most of them are running to the right including Newsome, Schumer and Jeffries. You know, the leadership.

If you're putting your faith in the Democrats, don't come crying when they don't come to save you (again).
 
AmirIcon said:
I've already provided countless pieces of evidence why this is absolutely false. Kamala lost on Palestine.

What do you want to do to get the Democrats on the correct page? Most of them are running to the right including Newsome, Schumer and Jeffries. You know, the leadership.

If you're putting your faith in the Democrats, don't come crying when they don't come to save you (again).
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I'm not putting faith in them, I'm applying pressure on them. And if they fail to make the proper shift I'm advocating for replacing them.

Very few in the US have the capacity to worry about Palestine right now. They are busy worrying about their jobs and how they're going to actually feed their own kids.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Very few in the US have the capacity to worry about Palestine right now. They are busy worrying about their jobs and how they're going to actually feed their own kids.
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Enough to where it would have changed the election results. You know what would help with feeding their kids? The tax money sent to Israel to genocide Palestinians.

How you think those two things aren't connected is beyond me, man.
 
AmirIcon said:
Enough to where it would have changed the election results. You know what would help with feeding their kids? The tax money sent to Israel to genocide Palestinians.

How you think those two things aren't connected is beyond me, man.
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That money has nothing to do with feeding kids in the US. There is more than enough money to feed the kids in the US.

These are just silly distractions. Money isn't the problem. Terrible policy is the problem. The US has enough assets and enough advantages that we can deal with whatever the money situation winds up being. As long as we get the policy fixed.
 
Phatguysrule said:
That money has nothing to do with feeding kids in the US. There is more than enough money to feed the kids in the US.

These are just silly distractions. Money isn't the problem. Terrible policy is the problem. The US has enough assets and enough advantages that we can deal with whatever the money situation winds up being. As long as we get the policy fixed.
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LMAO That's an awfully rich thing to say when Americans can't afford their housing and healthcare and they see their taxes are going to a foreign nation where we subsidize their affordable education and universal healthcare.

Absolutely insane thing to say.
 
AmirIcon said:
LMAO That's an awfully rich thing to say when Americans can't afford their housing and healthcare and they see their taxes are going to a foreign nation where we subsidize their affordable education and universal healthcare.

Absolutely insane thing to say.
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What you are saying is simply a distraction. It would cost us $177 billion per year to lift every American out of poverty.

The amount of taxes that the wealthy don't pay that they are obligated to pay is $175 billion per year.

Not to mention any of the other thousands of ways that we could help the middle class and poor.

That you're trying to focus it all on another country that we have no control over with our current leadership is asinine.

We have to fix the leadership problem first. We could eliminate homelessness and hunger in this country while doubling the amount of money that goes to Israel.

This is like those ads saying "we should help make sure our veterans are taken care of before giving welfare queens a free ride".

I understand if you have a personal issue against Israel. And I don't think that that's wrong. There's a lot to be pissed off about.

But there's nothing we can do about it right now. We have a lot of work to do before we can even get close to addressing any of that.

But what you're doing right now is freaking Johnny level crap. You're coming off like you're sitting in a bot farm.
 
Phatguysrule said:
What you are saying is simply a distraction. It would cost us $177 billion per year to lift every American out of poverty.

The amount of taxes that the wealthy don't pay that they are obligated to pay is $175 billion per year.

Not to mention any of the other thousands of ways that we could help the middle class and poor.

That you're trying to focus it all on another country that we have no control over with our current leadership is asinine.

We have to fix the leadership problem first. We could eliminate homelessness and hunger in this country while doubling the amount of money that goes to Israel.

This is like those ads saying "we should help make sure our veterans are taken care of before giving welfare queens a free ride".

I understand if you have a personal issue against Israel. And I don't think that that's wrong. There's a lot to be pissed off about.

But there's nothing we can do about it right now. We have a lot of work to do before we can even get close to addressing any of that.

But what you're doing right now is freaking Johnny level crap. You're coming off like you're sitting in a bot farm.
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They have bought 98% of our politicians. Wtf are you going on about? We can't change a damn thing until we get their money out of our politics. How the hell is sending them billions every few weeks a distraction? You're turning into a MAGA freak who thinks everything is a distraction besides Trump. It makes zero sense.

Go ahead and try to fix the system when nearly every seat in Congress and Senate is bought by AIPAC.
 
Btw can we give Thomas Massie his flowers? I don't ever agree with him but it's nice to see a politician with some spine - he may not last much longer.
This is why they killed JFK. And him not wanting Israel to have nuclear weapons.
 
AmirIcon said:
They have bought 98% of our politicians. Wtf are you going on about? We can't change a damn thing until we get their money out of our politics. How the hell is sending them billions every few weeks a distraction? You're turning into a MAGA freak who thinks everything is a distraction besides Trump. It makes zero sense.

Go ahead and try to fix the system when nearly every seat in Congress and Senate is bought by AIPAC.
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The problem isn't any other single country. Russia is far more of a threat right now. Shit, Elon alone spent 4-5x as much as AIPAC did in 2024. They aren't even in the top 15 for campaign contributions and they are barely a top 200 lobbyist.
 
Oklahoma MAGA superintendent of education, after requiring every classroom to purchase Trump bibles, now is proposing requirement to teach 2020 presidential election was stolen. Proposal is high school students required to write report on "discrepancies" in 2020 presidential election. Would a student fail if they said there were none?
 
Phatguysrule said:
The problem isn't any other single country. Russia is far more of a threat right now. Shit, Elon alone spent 4-5x as much as AIPAC did in 2024. They aren't even in the top 15 for campaign contributions and they are barely a top 200 lobbyist.
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Elon didn't get 98% of Congress elected. AIPAC did. Imagine thinking Israel hasn't infiltrated the American government. Who do you think is paying for this?

 
AmirIcon said:
Elon didn't get 98% of Congress elected. AIPAC did. Imagine thinking Israel hasn't infiltrated the American government. Who do you think is paying for this?

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I didn't say they haven't infiltrated it. I said they aren't the only problem.

We don't fix any of our problems by blaming an individual or a people or a country. We fixed them by getting to the root of the problem and actually fixing our laws and policies.

In order to do that we will need to get people who vote Democrat to support people who will actually do those things. And it will take the help of Independents as well. As we start getting that hopefully some Republicans will come over.

But just blaming Israel is not going to be effective. That is absolute MAGA BS.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
I didn't say they have an infiltrated it. I said they aren't the only problem.

We don't fix any of our problems by blaming an individual or a people or a country. We fixed them by getting to the root of the problem and actually fixing our laws and policies.

In order to do that we will need to get people who vote Democrat to support people who will actually do those things. And it will take the help of Independents as well. As we start getting that hopefully some Republicans will come over.

But just blaming Israel is not going to be effective. That is absolute MAGA BS.
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Naive. Israelis the only nation that doesn't have to register as foreign agents. This problem is uniquely an Israeli problem. Every other nation has to register as foreign agents. I don't expect you to know that but you're trying to insinuate a bias against Israel which has nothing to do with this. And how is this MAGA bs? They're the ones taking it to a whole new level right now.

You have so many blindspots you can't even see the problem straight.
 
AmirIcon said:
Naive. Israelis the only nation that doesn't have to register as foreign agents. This problem is uniquely an Israeli problem. Every other nation has to register as foreign agents. I don't expect you to know that but you're trying to insinuate a bias against Israel which has nothing to do with this. And how is this MAGA bs? They're the ones taking it to a whole new level right now.

You have so many blindspots you can't even see the problem straight.
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If Israel had as much power as you are claiming then Bernie Sanders would have won in a walk.

It's MAGA BS because you're trying to place the blame for everything on a specific country or race.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If Israel had as much power as you are claiming then Bernie Sanders would have won in a walk.
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Wtf? They hate Bernie. This is elementary information. I can't even follow your logic. Ooohh, you think because Bernie is Jewish that they would want him to be president. That's a pretty antisemitic and ignorant thing to think. But maybe you don't know any better. Bernie doesn't take AIPAC money and they have even called him antisemitic despite being Jewish.

It's MAGA BS because you're trying to place the blame for everything on a specific country or race.
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This is the type of garbage that stops real conversations being had in good faith. The stuff they throw at each other on msm. I haven't said anything Bernie Sanders hasn't said. Disappointed coming from you. They literally have different laws than any other nation and I'm the bad guy for pointing that out? This is what JFK was at war with. You do know that I'm literally semitic, right?

No need to respond. SMH...
 
AmirIcon said:
Wtf? They hate Bernie. This is elementary information. I can't even follow your logic. Ooohh, you think because Bernie is Jewish that they would want him to be president. That's a pretty antisemitic and ignorant thing to think. But maybe you don't know any better. Bernie doesn't take AIPAC money and they have even called him antisemitic despite being Jewish.



This is the type of garbage that stops real conversations being had in good faith. The stuff they throw at each other on msm. I haven't said anything Bernie Sanders hasn't said. Disappointed coming from you. They literally have different laws than any other nation and I'm the bad guy for pointing that out? This is what JFK was at war with. You do know that I'm literally semitic, right?

No need to respond. SMH...
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No, I'm calling you out for targeting a specific nation as the be all and end all of our problems when the evidence simply doesn't back it up.

The problem is our laws and policies which advantage the rich and hold down the poor and middle class.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No, I'm calling you out for targeting a specific nation as the be all and end all of our problems when the evidence simply doesn't back it up.
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Where did I say it was the be all end all of our problems? I wouldn't be talking about evidence when you just assumed Israel supports Bernie because he's Jewish. Totally nonsensical from someone who doesn't know the issue clearly.
 
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President Musk just shut down Alaska Volcano Center. If you don't record an eruption, maybe it doesn't happen.
 
AmirIcon said:
Where did I say it was the be all end all of our problems? I wouldn't be talking about evidence when you just assumed Israel supports Bernie because he's Jewish. Totally nonsensical from someone who doesn't know the issue clearly.
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Point is we have much bigger issues than Israel being an asshole. Nobody is going to watch it on CNN. We could apply pressure on that issue if Trump weren't president. Right now, we're just circling our wagons to get by.
 
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I didn't think Bernie was unpopular in Israel until Biden was in office. Maybe I'm misremembering...

He was always for a 2 state solution and peace and many (most?) Israelis have historically been for that. He has always been opposed to Bibi, and most of Israel was as well until October 7th, 23.

I was thinking more about Bernie winning in 2016 or 2020. Maybe he was unpopular in Israel at that time. I don't really remember, so maybe it was a bad point.

I was taking the argument being made as an overall Israeli problem, not necessarily just an AIPAC problem.

If it's mostly an AIPAC / billionaire argument then that is just another PAC, and a small part of the larger problem we need to fix. And none of that is going to happen with Trump in office. We stood a much better chance of fixing it without Trump in office.

But my point is that it all starts here. Fixing our policies. There is no other mechanism that I'm aware of.
 
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