Trade Idea Poll: Giannis yes/no?

[Irish Trader]

My guess on a possible trade involving Portland would involve Milwaukee, New York and Portland. With us receiving Towns from NY. We could make worse deals than this if we only had to give up Holiday, Williams and some draft picks

 

[blazerkor]

My guess on a possible trade involving Portland would involve Milwaukee, New York and Portland. With us receiving Towns from NY. We could make worse deals than this if we only had to give up Holiday, Williams and some draft picks

I hate KAT for us.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

My guess on a possible trade involving Portland would involve Milwaukee, New York and Portland. With us receiving Towns from NY. We could make worse deals than this if we only had to give up Holiday, Williams and some draft picks

I'm not so sure

 

[Natebishop3]

What teams could realistically beat:

Scoot
Grant
Thybullle and all the picks?

They supposedly want a young blue chip player. That might require Shae.

 

[blazerkor]

What about this trade with us sending them both swaps back, the best of the 2029 FRPs, our 2030 FRP and our 2032 FRP... and if they want it a 2031 FRP swap.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

What teams could realistically beat:

Scoot
Grant
Thybullle and all the picks?

They supposedly want a young blue chip player. That might require Shae.

Exactly what I have been saying. Some people around here don't even want to consider trading Scoot. Makes no sense to me.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

What about this trade with us sending them both swaps back, the best of the 2029 FRPs, our 2030 FRP and our 2032 FRP... and if they want it a 2031 FRP swap.
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I'd give them their picks back and the Orlando 2028.

I don't see any reason we need to give them our 2030/2032 picks. Thats too much.

Scoot plus all those picks is way more than any other team is going to offer. We don't need to make the Bucks happy with the offer - we just need to offer them more than any other team does.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Exactly what I have been saying. Some people around here don't even want to consider trading Scoot. Makes no sense to me.

Aging stars on super max have a bad track record. Lot of risk Giannis isn't that valuable in the years ahead.

Trading away Scoot could be a Jermiane Oneal 2.0 situation. Not saying I believe that or wouldn't do the trade but I can totally see why some fans would be against it or strongly against it. Add to it that even with Giannis we aren't really a contender this season and we have no idea if Dame can be an above average starter ever again and there's a compelling case against the trade.

Makes it an interesting debate as there's obviously a super compelling case to do the trade as well.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Pg: Dame, Love, Wesley
Sg: Sharpe, Holiday, Krejci
Sf: Deni, Camara
Pf: Giannis, Murray
C: Clingan, Yang

I like it. Just get us an actual backup center. Plenty to choose from this offseason.

 

[PCmor7]

I feel like you’ve been on my ass about harmlessly speculating when I also gave my personal opinion in this thread (I voted fuck no). To me that feels like you have a problem with how I’m posting. I like you! I think you bring a lot, but I’m frankly confused as to why you’re shaking me like a chew toy over the way I present myself in this thread.

I don't have a problem with how you're posting. I gave my opinion on this topic, and you quoted me about something that I didn't see as having anything to do with the topic and something that just seemed to be pulled out of nowhere and I tried to explain that and let it go and you came back and the next thing I know we're talking about whether or not billionaires are good people. I said I wasn't comfortable making that generality. I figured it was presumed that was my feeling and you or anyone else can do what you want ... like some people don't get tattoos but they also don't judge other people if they want to get them. Then you're telling me to block you.

I can't say "I'm sorry you feel that way" because I think that's not an apology, is really condescending, and I don't feel I have anything to apologize for. I think you took something from my comments that wasn't there or at least wasn't intended to be there. I'm not upset. I'm not angry. I don't have anything against you. I'm not blocking you. It's like you said about things we don't have control over. We don't know what the new owner thinks or wants, and the thread wasn't about that, so I don't understand introducing it to me. I have no idea if he'd do if you say. I have no reason to believe he would, but I don't know so I don't know why I'd be asked to comment on that.

 

[Chris Craig]

What teams could realistically beat:

Scoot
Grant
Thybullle and all the picks?

They supposedly want a young blue chip player. That might require Shae.

Does

Butler
Podziemski
Kuminga
5 picks

Beat it? That's the Warriors offer apparently

 

[Rastapopoulos]

What teams could realistically beat:

Scoot
Grant
Thybullle and all the picks?

They supposedly want a young blue chip player. That might require Shae.

That might require them being disappointed.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Does

Butler
Podziemski
Kuminga
5 picks

Beat it? That's the Warriors offer apparently

Didn't I just read that the Warriors had reassured Butler he wouldn't be traded?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Does

Butler
Podziemski
Kuminga
5 picks

Beat it? That's the Warriors offer apparently

Salaries don't add up - must be Turner or someone going to GS along with Giannis.

GS picks I'm sure are nice but they have a track record of winning. I'd imagine the Bucks getting their own picks would be way more valuable. I still think our deal with just the Bucks own picks and Scoot or Sharpe is better for them. Not sure we are even offering that though. This is certainly a fair type of offer if we aren't that interested.

 

[Chris Craig]

Didn't I just read that the Warriors had reassured Butler he wouldn't be traded?

I hadn't heard that. But, they want Giannis. They have will need to include him in that deal. Hopefully, they don't get him. Curry and Giannis together would be insufferable.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Didn't I just read that the Warriors had reassured Butler he wouldn't be traded?

If you believe the words coming out of a GM at the trade deadline or the draft.... I got some magic beans to sell you.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Was it worth for the Bucks getting Dame? I wouldn't say so.

With the Blazers luck he gets seriously injured - and all our eggs are cracked.

If Dame and Giannis would have stayed healthy it probably would have been worth it.

Tough to say for sure, because Jrue is so good...

 

[wizenheimer]

are people aware that if the Blazers trade for Giannis, he might only be a Blazer for one season? He could opt out in 2027. It's unlikely but it's certainly possible

 

[KingSpeed]

Does

Butler
Podziemski
Kuminga
5 picks

Beat it? That's the Warriors offer apparently

No

 

[SwissBlazer]

No

It's funny how the national media act as if Golden State is destined to be irrelevant in 3 or 4 years and these picks are suddently the golden ticket for Milwaukee. They are trying too hard to make a last run for Steph happen.

 

[PDXFonz]

Dame and Giannis’ time in MIL is irrelevant considering

 

[Pinwheel1]

Giannis out 4-6 weeks with the dreaded calf injury?
Yeah I am not offering too much more than our bad contracts and their draft picks.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

are people aware that if the Blazers trade for Giannis, he might only be a Blazer for one season? He could opt out in 2027. It's unlikely but it's certainly possible

When was the last free agent that actually left a team that was offering him the max?

Paul George doesn't count as the Clippers refused to even match the 6ers offer.

I just have a very hard time envisioning this happening in today's NBA cap environment. Its basically impossible for a team to build a contender AND sign a max veteran free agent with cap room. None of the glamour markets have cap room, and it wouldn't ever make sense for a Giannis type of player to take less money to sign with a rebuilding team.

Even if Giannis relationship took a nose dive I would strongly bet he would resign with the Blazers to then get traded later.

Now Giannis commitment to his new team IS a factor in trade offers as its better for the team to not have to go down that path. But the days of Durant leaving the Thunder or LaMarcus leaving the Blazers are over in today's NBA.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Giannis out 4-6 weeks with the dreaded calf injury?
Yeah I am not offering too much more than our bad contracts and their draft picks.

Yeah the Bucks waiting a couple years too long - they would have been SOO much better off if they traded Giannis away two years ago instead of doing the Dame acquisition. Giannis will still get a nice haul but not the epic Anthony Davis to the Lakers type of haul that he could have got previously.

I don't feel sorry for them as they won the title, and mortgaged their future at the time to do it. This is often the evitable result and cost of that success. I think if I was a Bucks fan I'd just want to see the Giannis trade get done so they can move on. But I can't imagine wanting any package discussed over getting their own picks back and a young Sharpe/Scoot type of player.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

It's funny how the national media act as if Golden State is destined to be irrelevant in 3 or 4 years and these picks are suddently the golden ticket for Milwaukee. They are trying too hard to make a last run for Steph happen.

I would like those GS picks - but yeah the Warriors have a track record of ALWAYS contending as well as spending by far the most money in the league since the current owners bought the team. If I'm the Bucks I'm concerns all of those picks could be middle of the draft at best.

Even getting swaps from the Knicks in 2030+2032 are assets I might prefer over any of the Warriors picks. Knicks have little young talent, no picks themselves, and history of an owner who very likely will fail to rebuild properly as their roster continues to age.

 

[wizenheimer]

When was the last free agent that actually left a team that was offering him the max?



I just have a very hard time envisioning this happening in today's NBA cap environment. Its basically impossible for a team to build a contender AND sign a max veteran free agent with cap room. None of the glamour markets have cap room, and it wouldn't ever make sense for a Giannis type of player to take less money to sign with a rebuilding team.

it's happened I assume, but it's rare

besides that I was talking about an opt-out, not him turning down an offer. Yeah, it's very unlikely he'd opt out of 62M, but the option is there.

now, you're talking about the Blazers giving Giannis a max offer in 2028-29 when he's 34?....let's see, the projected salary cap that year is 206M. A max for Giannis would have a base salary of of 72M. A 4 year deal would be 87M/year. People already want to max out Deni that season. A 5 year deal for Deni would be 71M/year. Combined, the two would be making 158M/year. Add in Sharpe and Camara and it would be 200-203M/year for 4 players. 2nd apron blues

now if you're talking about both Giannis and the Blazers using his player option in 2027-28 as the springboard for say, a 4 year contract extension, then it would be less. A projected 187M salary cap would yield a 65M base salary. That would be 71M/year. It would cover Giannis from when he was 33-36. And he's already injury prone and his career was generated by his incredible athleticism....which tends to fade in the mid-30's

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I don’t get the Deni and Giannis couldn’t play good together theory. Deni has a great all around game I think would mesh well with Deni. His ability to push the ball up the court should free up Giannis and create lots of lob opportunities. Surround them with some shooters like new guy and Dame and offense should really help Giannis and Deni should give them lots of room for drives. Assuming Sharpe is still here he’d also have more room to operate.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[wizenheimer]

I wonder what the odds of Giannis actually being traded this week are....?

does 35-40% chance seem to high? too low?