Poll: Holmgren vs. Banchero

[Rastapopoulos]

We're very unlikely to get either, but pretend that you're Cronin and you have to choose between them (say, you have the second pick and Jabari Smith went #1 and Jody tells you you have to pick one of them), which do you pick? Both seem to be divisive players on this board, so I'm curious.

 

[glazeduck]

Banchero for me and it's not close.

 

[Blazinaway]

Banchero for me and it's not close.

same here

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Banchero for me and it's not close.

Holmgren, and likewise (told you they were divisive).

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think the people that don't like Chet are scared because there's no comparable NBA player. I don't like Banchero because there's a ton of comparable NBA players and about the best is Tobias Harris.

 

[illmatic99]

Why not add Smith to the poll? I think the real debate will be Jabari v Paolo.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Why not add Smith to the poll? I think the real debate will be Jabari v Paolo.

That's the debate about the #2 pick after Chet goes #1.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think the people that don't like Chet are scared because there's no comparable NBA player. I don't like Banchero because there's a ton of comparable NBA players and about the best is Tobias Harris.

They just played OKC and they have the 7' that weighs 185lbs.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think the people that don't like Chet are scared because there's no comparable NBA player. I don't like Banchero because there's a ton of comparable NBA players and about the best is Tobias Harris.

here ya go....

 

[blazerfan11]

They just played OKC and they have the 7' that weighs 185lbs.

Pokusevski was 3 rebounds short of a triple double. 11 points, 11 assists and 8 rebounds.
I think that kind of play is what people are looking for from Chet Holmgren. A guy who can make a difference with and without the ball.

 

[TBpup]

Paolo is the safer bet would will be able to contribute more immediately. Not as good on defense, but can score and facilitate.
Holmgren has the higher ceiling....but also the lower floor. Cronin indicated early on, he will take a chance on the highest potential.

It would be very interesting to see what Joe's choice would be. I think Jabari might be the best fit of the '3' FWIW.

 

[blazerfan11]

Paolo is the safer bet would will be able to contribute more immediately. Not as good on defense, but can score and facilitate.
Holmgren has the higher ceiling....but also the lower floor. Cronin indicated early on, he will take a chance on the highest potential.

It would be very interesting to see what Joe's choice would be. I think Jabari might be the best fit of the '3' FWIW.

I think most people would take Jabari Smith if he were available.

 

[Chris Craig]

Banchero

I'd take Banchero or Smith before Holmgren

 

[illmatic99]

Paolo is the safer bet would will be able to contribute more immediately. Not as good on defense, but can score and facilitate.
Holmgren has the higher ceiling....but also the lower floor. Cronin indicated early on, he will take a chance on the highest potential.

It would be very interesting to see what Joe's choice would be. I think Jabari might be the best fit of the '3' FWIW.

i agree with your conclusion but don't agree that Paolo is the safer bet. I think that's Chet. He's gotta very high floor as a rim protector and pick and pop big even if he never puts on strength.

Paolo is a lot more dynamic with the ball and if he figures out his defense, he could be a ridiculous matchup problem.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think the people that don't like Chet are scared because there's no comparable NBA player. I don't like Banchero because there's a ton of comparable NBA players and about the best is Tobias Harris.

Luis Scola

 

[illmatic99]

Luis Scola

im no chet fan but think he can lead the league in blocks. scola was never a rim protector

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Another reason I don't like Banchero: he needs the ball to be useful. Scoring is so much more important in the college game. He just screams average NBA player to me. Plus, does his game work with Chauncey's game plan? If he was going to be a franchise player then of course it wouldn't matter, but he isn't.
Holmgren could not even see the ball on offense and be the best +/- guy on the team.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Luis Scola

You're just trying to win me over with a foreign player. First of all, Paulo would kill for Scola's low-post skills. Scola may have had the best post skills ever. He fucking had to have because he may also have been the only 6'9" player in NBA history who couldn't dunk.
No, I think Paolo's most flattering comp is a big Carmelo. But give me a big Kirilenko (who can also hit threes) over that any time.

[Edit: I see @illmatic99 thought you meant Holmgren. But that's an even worse comparison than Banchero - so which DID you mean?]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

FWIW

 

[blazerkor]

I wouldn't draft Chet I would find his highest bidder and sell him off if Jabari and Paolo were already taken. Chet and Nurk are a bad fit defensively because both guys move their feet slowly, not for an old school big but definitely to play together in today's game. So yeah, we need a modern PF to go with Nurk and although Chet stretches the floor on offense his defensive game is predicated on length and timing which would be fine with an ultra athletic C or a really solid athlete and strong PF. Chet has a really interesting set of skills, talents and big time deficits.

Jabari is my first choice and Paolo is the only other choice I would make and then I'd shop our pick.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You're just trying to win me over with a foreign player. First of all, Paulo would kill for Scola's low-post skills. Scola may have had the best post skills ever. He fucking had to have because he may also have been the only 6'9" player in NBA history who couldn't dunk.
No, I think Paolo's most flattering comp is a big Carmelo. But give me a big Kirilenko (who can also hit threes) over that any time.

[Edit: I see @illmatic99 thought you meant Holmgren. But that's an even worse comparison than Banchero - so which DID you mean?]

There is no amount of alternate universes in which anyone who had ever watched both play even a minute of basketball would legitimately compare Chet Holmgren with Luis Scola.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why not add Smith to the poll? I think the real debate will be Jabari v Paolo.

You can argue that in my thread

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Banchero = Julius Randle minus the toxic attitude he’s had this year.

Chet has elite defensive instincts - cut from the AK47 mold.

This high in the draft you take the best prospect available and it’s Chet or Jabari.

Banchero has the highest floor.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So far 7 people like to make the same mistake, over and over


Holmgren = rule, not exception

 

[illmatic99]

There is no amount of alternate universes in which anyone who had ever watched both play even a minute of basketball would legitimately compare Chet Holmgren with Luis Scola.

phew. thought that was a mad comp.

 

[illmatic99]

You can argue that in my thread

can you start that already?!

 

[BonesJones]

I wouldn't draft Chet I would find his highest bidder and sell him off if Jabari and Paolo were already taken. Chet and Nurk are a bad fit defensively because both guys move their feet slowly, not for an old school big but definitely to play together in today's game. So yeah, we need a modern PF to go with Nurk and although Chet stretches the floor on offense his defensive game is predicated on length and timing which would be fine with an ultra athletic C or a really solid athlete and strong PF. Chet has a really interesting set of skills, talents and big time deficits.

Jabari is my first choice and Paolo is the only other choice I would make and then I'd shop our pick.

Huh? Chet moves his feet quick enough to guard 4s. The notion that he's slow is so wei4d to me. He also doesn't have to get as close to guys, so he has more of a gap. I think Nurkic+Chet is a great fit, especially for Chaunceys system. Allows one big to play up at the point of the screen while leaving the other to protect the rim. Look at Cleveland with Mobley and Allen. It's allowed them to play Markkanen at the 3 and be fine.

 

[BonesJones]

There is no amount of alternate universes in which anyone who had ever watched both play even a minute of basketball would legitimately compare Chet Holmgren with Luis Scola.

This thread just shows that people haven't watched enough Chet and don't value defense enough.

 

[PCmor7]

I think the people that don't like Chet are scared because there's no comparable NBA player. I don't like Banchero because there's a ton of comparable NBA players and about the best is Tobias Harris.

Oh, there are several analogs to Holmgren: Dragan Bender, Shawn Bradley, Zach Collins.

People who don't like him, at least me, are more concerned that he lacks the frame to put on functional strength, put up big numbers playing against competition that for the most part isn't even G-League level and for a guy touted as being a unicorn with these perimeter skills Gonzaga didn't seem comfortable enough in that part of his game that should have created such a mismatch to use it even in big games.

EDIT: I also thought, for a guy who's touted as this other-worldly shot-blocker, he was a step slow far too many times against Memphis, which scored something like 40 points in the paint even with him playing 30 minutes.

I see him as a boom-or-bust prospect. High ceiling. Basement floor.

 

[PCmor7]

They just played OKC and they have the 7' that weighs 185lbs.

Similar in build but I don't see Holmgren running point like Pokusevski does and Poku hasn't proven anything in the NBA yet.