Poll: How do you feel?

[VivaRipCity]

lol well all that build up... for this. Time to step out of the house. Pretty big let down in my opinion. Not understanding the financial implications very well, I still feel like its somewhat unfair to the fans that we are supposed to continue to stay pumped about a mediocre team. We need to make a move toward becoming a contender....we're baking a F-ing cake here, not a F-ing Turkey...lol

 

[Webster's Dictionary]

I feel like this whole cloud of trade deadline now passes over the team and we go on a huge run! Who's with me!?!

 

[Minstrel]

While giving up two of our assets (Outlaw and Blake). Seems semi-lateral to me.

Two marginal assets. Both are decent players, but reserves on a good team. Childress is a good starter, IMO, and Sessions is already a solid player and young enough to become significantly more than that.

And if the cap space is used in a trade for a very good player, then it's not lateral at all...it's a consolidation move.

If we had made a deal, we would not only have an acquired player (I bet you we could have gotten at least one of Carter, Wallace, Jefferson or Butler while giving up say Raef + Batum)

Hard to talk about what we "could have" gotten since we don't know. And I'd have been far more upset to lose Batum for a marginal player like Jefferson or a short-term player like Carter. I bet we could not have gotten Butler for that. Wallace, possibly, but all we have on that is gossip columnists' claims.

we would have our MLE for the offseason

The MLE is significantly less valuable. It can't be used in trade and it can't be combined with other things to have more "space" to sign someone (as Portland can add to this space by renouncing Blake or Outlaw).

I'd have loved to acquire Wallace or Carter (or Butler, obviously, though I doubt he was ever really available), if the price had been inexpensive. If the price wasn't cheap, then it's certainly much more complex than "No trade = bad."

 

[Webster's Dictionary]

I'm disappointed we didn't land Wallace or Butler (everyone else I could do without) but am I disappointed in KP or our front office? I have NO F'ING IDEA. Why? Cause I have absolutely NO IDEA what offers were made, what those two teams wanted for those players. Hell, for all we know, they may have been asking for BRANDON ROY or LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE. What the hell do we know? We sit here and read 2nd, 3rd, 4th hand reports and some rumors that are flat out made up and think "Oh wow! We can have this player for an expiring contract and spare change?!?"

What is the worst deal you can think of that you would still do? What if our offers were worse than that? What if all this was talk to try to drive up the price from other teams but really the financial situation was blown WAY OUT OF PROPORTION? What if teams weren't actually willing to give up their stars for just savings? What if NJ was asking for Outlaw, RLEC, Bayless, Rudy and a pick for Carter? Would you do that? What if they wanted Lamarcus Aldridge and RLEC? I wouldn't do either of those, especially if I actually had to pay the guy. That's a huge amount of money for a breaking down, no D playing star.

So, while I know it won't, I hope this will change some of your minds to realize WE KNOW NOTHING.

Sorry for the cross post.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Two marginal assets. Both are decent players, but reserves on a good team. Childress is a good starter, IMO, and Sessions is already a solid player and young enough to become significantly more than that.

And if the cap space is used in a trade for a very good player, then it's not lateral at all...it's a consolidation move.



Hard to talk about what we "could have" gotten since we don't know. And I'd have been far more upset to lose Batum for a marginal player like Jefferson or a short-term player like Carter. I bet we could not have gotten Butler for that. Wallace, possibly, but all we have on that is gossip columnists' claims.



The MLE is significantly less valuable. It can't be used in trade and it can't be combined with other things to have more "space" to sign someone (as Portland can add to this space by renouncing Blake or Outlaw).

I'd have loved to acquire Wallace or Carter (or Butler, obviously, though I doubt he was ever really available), if the price had been inexpensive. If the price wasn't cheap, then it's certainly much more complex than "No trade = bad."

The MLE is another thing we could use this offseason to get a backup PF or fill out any holes. I don't see how thats a bad thing at all.

Cap space is a consolidation move that gives us nothing in return ( in the form of Blake or Outlaw)

 

[LittleAlex]

We don't know NOTHING. We know that with the best trade asset Portland has had in a very long time nothing was done. KP is paid to make good deals. If he can't get something going with what we had then I don't see much likelihood he will ever be able to.

The best players can make plays out of the nothing. The best coaches can get a collection of shit to the playoffs. The best GMs pull deals out their hat.

Our GM didn't do shit.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I picked "Disappointed, but we’re still looking good. We’ll make our move in the summer," but I also wanted to vote I've lost some faith in Pritchard. He has proven to be an excellent talent evaluator in the draft, but letting a great asset like RLEC go for nothing doesn't give me much faith in KP's trading savvy. Of course, this is only IF Paul Allen did not tell KP he wants to keep RLEC. Pritchard might be better as head of talent scout than he is as a GM. What scares me is if Pritchard's becoming a John Paxson type of GM. A GM who is too attached to his "guys" to trade them when a trade for them is sensible for the team.

Paxson is a great comparison. and we all know how his "baking" turned out

 

[Rastapopoulos]

While giving up two of our assets (Outlaw and Blake).

But if we'd given up those two assets in a trade for Gerald Wallace, I somehow doubt you'd be complaining.

 

[HailBlazers]

I feel like crap. I feel like I pulled the hottest chick out of a bar, got her home, got her naked and then she tells me no. That's how I feel. In the morning I may be glad nothing happened, but right now I want to throw the chick out the window.

Man you must have been drinking heavily with everyone else who thought a trade was immanent.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

We don't know NOTHING. We know that with the best trade asset Portland has had in a very long time nothing was done.

Enough with this "best trade asset". RLEC isn't even the best trade asset the BLAZERS have (that would be Roy then Aldridge or Oden). It's only a "best trade asset" if teams with players we want are ready to dump them JUST for salary relief. Do we know this was going to happen? Everybody got all worked up thinking that every team was just throwing good stuff overboard in a panic. Where's the evidence? Other teams had expiring contracts (look at Cleveland with Wally) and they couldn't get anything done. So PROVE that RLEC WAS a great asset.

The best GMs pull deals out their hat. Our GM didn't do shit.

I bet you miss Whitsitt.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

But if we'd given up those two assets in a trade for Gerald Wallace, I somehow doubt you'd be complaining.

Well Gerald Wallace > Josh Childress or Ramon Sessions

And we would have our MLE to sign back assets this offseason. Now we will not have a MLE to use.

 

[STOMP]

I'm disappointed we didn't land Wallace or Butler (everyone else I could do without) but am I disappointed in KP or our front office? I have NO F'ING IDEA. Why? Cause I have absolutely NO IDEA what offers were made, what those two teams wanted for those players. Hell, for all we know, they may have been asking for BRANDON ROY or LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE. What the hell do we know? We sit here and read 2nd, 3rd, 4th hand reports and some rumors that are flat out made up and think "Oh wow! We can have this player for an expiring contract and spare change?!?"

What is the worst deal you can think of that you would still do? What if our offers were worse than that? What if all this was talk to try to drive up the price from other teams but really the financial situation was blown WAY OUT OF PROPORTION? What if teams weren't actually willing to give up their stars for just savings? What if NJ was asking for Outlaw, RLEC, Bayless, Rudy and a pick for Carter? Would you do that? What if they wanted Lamarcus Aldridge and RLEC? I wouldn't do either of those, especially if I actually had to pay the guy. That's a huge amount of money for a breaking down, no D playing star.

So, while I know it won't, I hope this will change some of your minds to realize WE KNOW NOTHING.

Sorry for the cross post.

thank you for the smart post.

Every year there are tons of rumors at the deadline and very few deals, and only a modest percentage of the deals that are completed are first rumored. Yet also every year the same posters seem to go for the bait believing the rumors to be signs of whats likely to happen.

Some of these same posters are now questioning Portland's management. I'd like to point out that the club has increased their win totals by about 10 games each of the last two seasons and are on pace to do it again. Is that management's fault too?

STOMP

 

[Rastapopoulos]

WTF. If we would have made a trade we would have had our MLE this offseason to sign a backup PF or do whatever we so please along with the acquired player.

Here are two conclusions that are open to you:
1) "Look at what KP could have done but didn't! He's an idiot!"
2) "I know a good deal less about the situation than Pritchard, so if it appears to me that this was a colossal mistake, I'm probably missing something."

One of them is more justified than the other. That's not the one you're choosing.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Here are two conclusions that are open to you:
1) "Look at what KP could have done but didn't! He's an idiot!"
2) "I know a good deal less about the situation than Pritchard, so if it appears to me that this was a colossal mistake, I'm probably missing something."

One of them is more justified than the other. That's not the one you're choosing.

uh-huh. We'll revisit this in a couple of weeks when we are hanging on by our teeth to the 8th seed

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

Here are two conclusions that are open to you:
1) "Look at what KP could have done but didn't! He's an idiot!"
2) "I know a good deal less about the situation than Pritchard, so if it appears to me that this was a colossal mistake, I'm probably missing something."

One of them is more justified than the other. That's not the one you're choosing.

To me it sounds like you're trying very hard to convince yourself that Portland did the right thing. What we do know is we had a huge trade asset (that was getting better offers than Amare Stoudamire!) and didn't do a damn thing with it.

 

[LittleAlex]

Enough with this "best trade asset". RLEC isn't even the best trade asset the BLAZERS have (that would be Roy then Aldridge or Oden). It's only a "best trade asset" if teams with players we want are ready to dump them JUST for salary relief. Do we know this was going to happen? Everybody got all worked up thinking that every team was just throwing good stuff overboard in a panic. Where's the evidence? Other teams had expiring contracts (look at Cleveland with Wally) and they couldn't get anything done. So PROVE that RLEC WAS a great asset.



I bet you miss Whitsitt.

Well I don't have to prove the worth of RLEC when KP called it "The Golden Ticket" two weeks ago.

Also, Roy is not our best trade asset because he comes too cheap to trade one for one with a proven star. He would be the best steal another team could get, for sure.

I think you missed the point of what I said. I said that a great gm can get a deal done. Ours hasn't been able to in the past 3 years outside the draft, and didn't this year. Considering how valuable KP himself found RLEC and his inability to manufacture anything from it, I see no reason to believe he will somehow magically be able to get more with less this summer.

This not about "We could have got player X but didn't". It's about "Our team has serious holes and our gm didn't do a god damn thing about it when he had by his own admission the best trade asset he had ever had.".

 

[PapaG]

This poll indicates that it is a small but vocal minority that is upset at KP/Paul Allen. That's encouraging.

 

[Minstrel]

To me it sounds like you're trying very hard to convince yourself that Portland did the right thing. What we do know is we had a huge trade asset (that was getting better offers than Amare Stoudamire!) and didn't do a damn thing with it.

No one converted an expiring deal into anything impressive, really. Perhaps that "huge trade asset" wasn't so huge. Very few people really believed RLEC was drawing better offers than Amare. Hyperbole is fun, but not informative.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

To me it sounds like you're trying very hard to convince yourself that Portland did the right thing.

Yes, this is all in fact an internal dialogue. I don't even realize that other people can see it.

What we do know is we had a huge trade asset (that was getting better offers than Amare Stoudamire!) and didn't do a damn thing with it.

I will say this slowly and clearly: no...we....don't. I love how you cite the "better offers than Amare Stoudamire" line like it was fact. Find me the source for that quote. To save you the trouble it was: a Chad Ford quote of an anonymous GM SPECULATING about what was being offered for each, when in fact he was the GM of neither Phoenix nor Portland. Woo-hoo! Gospel!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Well I don't have to prove the worth of RLEC when KP called it "The Golden Ticket" two weeks ago.

And now you do.
Besides: it's only a Golden Ticket if it gets you something. What do you KNOW that it would've gotten?

I think you missed the point of what I said. I said that a great gm can get a deal done. Ours hasn't been able to in the past 3 years outside the draft, and didn't this year.

Why doesn't the draft count? And what GM did get a great deal done this deadline, to prove that good deals were out there? Which of the amazing blockbuster deals that went down proves that GM to be a genius? All of them, just because they actually traded? I presume you think that the Cleveland GM is even more of an ass because (1) they're more desperate to trade, because their window is NOW and they've got to convince LeBron to stay, and (2) their expiring deal was larger than RLEC, and (3) they'll still be over the cap when it expires, so it has effectively become worthless. Makes you wonder why THEY didn't get Wallace/Carter/whomever people are convinced was just out there for the taking.

This not about "We could have got player X but didn't". It's about "Our team has serious holes and our gm didn't do a god damn thing about it when he had by his own admission the best trade asset he had ever had.".

Clearly you have sealed yourself in a world where everything you currently believe is gospel truth. I will give up trying to reach you in that world.

 

[BengalDuck]

Certainly disappointed we didn't a.) use Raef's contract b.) get rid of Sergio c.) consolidate for a veteran talent, but I am excited for us to make the playoffs and hopefully convince the moderators to ban the dumbasses who overreact to every loss and claim we'll miss the playoffs this year because we didn't make a trade.

That will be fun.

I love that Bayless, Batum, Oden, Aldridge, and Roy didn't go anywhere. That could hopefully be a future starting lineup for a championship winning team.

 

[STOMP]

Certainly disappointed we didn't a.) use Raef's contract b.) get rid of Sergio c.) consolidate for a veteran talent, but I am excited for us to make the playoffs and hopefully convince the moderators to ban the dumbasses who overreact to every loss and claim we'll miss the playoffs this year because we didn't make a trade.

That will be fun.

I love that Bayless, Batum, Oden, Aldridge, and Roy didn't go anywhere. That could hopefully be a future starting lineup for a championship winning team.

overreacting isn't against the stated site rules, so I'm not sure what grounds they might be suspended under... not going to happen

STOMP

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Congratulations Mr. Pritchard, you can add another notch to that belt.....

You've now even Pritch-slapped yourself.