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Go Young or get something done?

  • Go young

    Votes: 30 51.7%

  • Get something done

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • Total voters
    58
BIG Q said:
You said the below not long ago in another thread;

"Dame makes $4m/year more than Ruby Gobert, who got traded for young talent and a bunch of firsts just a year ago. No clue how you could call him untradable."

He is untradable because he is a short, aging ball dominant pg with no defense that will make $250 mil over next 4 seasons. An offer of Herro, a sg that we have two of, a dreadful contract and garbage picks. No Bam, that is the kind of offers Portland will be getting for Dame. I just need to sit back and watch. Posters thinking we can get a haul for Dame is laughable with his contract and other negatives mentioned. Whatever, I'll just lurk here. Go Blazers!
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You think Gobert has more trade value than Dame because he's taller? Guy makes over $200 million, his team is better without him, and yet you think his trade value is higher than Dame's? That is laughable.

If you are right about Dame's trade value being that low, then I'm 100% in the never trade Dame camp. The guy single handedly willed a team of 3 bad starters to the WCF one year.
 
BBert said:
Dame wants a shot at a championship. What team could give equal value for Dame and still be a contender? Would need a third team involved, but yeah. Dame isn't going anywhere.
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In theory Toronto would be pretty legit with Dame/OG/Siakam.
 
Natebishop3 said:
In theory Toronto would be pretty legit with Dame/OG/Siakam.
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and in reality, they couldn't come close to matching Dame's incoming salary with the contracts they'd have left....also, they don't have an unencumbered 1st round pick till 2028. They are not a trade partner for Dame
 
Tince said:
You think Gobert has more trade value than Dame because he's taller? Guy makes over $200 million, his team is better without him, and yet you think his trade value is higher than Dame's? That is laughable.

If you are right about Dame's trade value being that low, then I'm 100% in the never trade Dame camp. The guy single handedly willed a team of 3 bad starters to the WCF one year.
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Minnesota gave up way too many picks for Gobert. That doesn't mean every team is willing to trade 6 first round picks for a star player. The Timberwolves GM is a goober, and set an example of what not to do.
 
BBert said:
Dame wants a shot at a championship. What team could give equal value for Dame and still be a contender? Would need a third team involved, but yeah. Dame isn't going anywhere.
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That is the problem. There are very few teams who have the assets to trade for Dame and still be anything close to a contender.

Boston - Jaylen Brown, but what else do they have to include?
Bucks - nothing outside of Giannis
Philly - nothing outside of Embiid
Nuggets - Murry/Porter/picks?
Memphis - doubt they are moving JJJ and I don' want Ja

The team with perhaps the best package, isn't a contender now and doubt they would be by adding Dame - Orlando.

Possibly multiple Lottery picks this year (#7/#12) with young players like Franz Wagner, Carter Jr, and player like Isaac whose salary would help make the deal work who is a defensive terror if he can get back on the court. They would still have Paolo, Dame, Mo Wagner, Fultz, Suggs, etc, but that isn't enough to win.....just like in Portland.

Would Orlando make a lesser trade for hometown boy Ant?
 
wizenheimer said:
and in reality, they couldn't come close to matching Dame's incoming salary with the contracts they'd have left....also, they don't have an unencumbered 1st round pick till 2028. They are not a trade partner for Dame
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In reality, FVV/Barnes/Boucher matches Dame's salary acceptably, and their first this year is unencumbered once they make the selection. They absolutely could be a trade partner for Dame.
 
Tince said:
Would people want to go young this bad?

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The team that received that pile of garbage from Miami would have to get a player the quality of Dame AS WELL to make up for the garbage.

I personally think it would be funny if OKC decided that they had enough youth and were ready to cash in some of their 15 picks over the next 5 first rounds to add a(nother) star to their roster. They could instantly offer a much better package for Dame, in part because they could absorb a big chunk of his salary in their cap space.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Randle is what I’m afraid of
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I would've agreed with you in all previous seasons, and I still don't like him much, but you've got to admit he had a pretty damn good season this year. And Thibs basically benched everyone he thought wasn't contributing to winning (e.g., Fournier) no matter how big their contract, and Randle got mega-minutes for a surprisingly good Knicks team (with very good defense).

But I don't think you need to worry: why would the Knicks want Dame when they have Brunson? And why would they trade big for small?
 
Tince said:
Would people want to go young this bad?

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The Blazers should counter with Nassir, Keon, Watford and 2 future 1st round picks for Jimmy Butler.
 
TBpup said:
That is the problem. There are very few teams who have the assets to trade for Dame and still be anything close to a contender.

Boston - Jaylen Brown, but what else do they have to include?
Bucks - nothing outside of Giannis
Philly - nothing outside of Embiid
Nuggets - Murry/Porter/picks?
Memphis - doubt they are moving JJJ and I don' want Ja

The team with perhaps the best package, isn't a contender now and doubt they would be by adding Dame - Orlando.

Possibly multiple Lottery picks this year (#7/#12) with young players like Franz Wagner, Carter Jr, and player like Isaac whose salary would help make the deal work who is a defensive terror if he can get back on the court. They would still have Paolo, Dame, Mo Wagner, Fultz, Suggs, etc, but that isn't enough to win.....just like in Portland.

Would Orlando make a lesser trade for hometown boy Ant?
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I DO NOT WANT DAME TRADED that being said I think Brooklyn could put together a pretty compelling package that would leave almost all of their talent intact and send us a boatload of picks along with expiring contracts that we might even be able to flip for a couple more picks. Dame, Bridges, Royce O'Neal, Finney-Smith and Claxton with Patty, Cam Thomas, Cam Payne (a RFA) and Simmons (who Dame might be able to mentor to a better place) off of the bench, along with whatever they could get out of free agency with the TPMLE seems pretty fucking competitive.

They could send up Dinwiddie and Hariss' expiring contracts, 3 picks in this draft and a future first or two. There are homes for Dame that would be fair to him and have assets that would be a fair return for us... I just don't want to fucking do it because youth rebuilds are random as fuck and I want the team to do what Dame has asked which is put a more competitive and cohesive roster around him than we've been putting around him.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
In reality, FVV/Barnes/Boucher matches Dame's salary acceptably, and their first this year is unencumbered once they make the selection. They absolutely could be a trade partner for Dame.
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uhh...both FVV and Trent would have to opt-in to their deals next summer and, IIRC, FVV has already said he's opting out, and it's nearly certain Trent wouldn't opt-in if he was getting traded back to Portland

and again, if the Blazers trade Dame and don't get several draft picks they are fucking up big time. And Toronto can't trade an unencumbered first till 2028
 
TBpup said:
That is the problem. There are very few teams who have the assets to trade for Dame and still be anything close to a contender.
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Yeah either Dame will not be happy where he lands, or Portland will not be happy with what they get in return.
 
I'm gonna enjoy watching Dame as long as possible. For those who want to move on, there's always cornhole on ESPN.
 
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tykendo said:
I'm gonna enjoy watching Dame as long as possible. For those who want to move on, there's always cornhole on ESPN.
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Whyachi said:
Minnesota gave up way too many picks for Gobert. That doesn't mean every team is willing to trade 6 first round picks for a star player. The Timberwolves GM is a goober, and set an example of what not to do.
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I agree. And if Dame and Gobert were close to equal players, I would expect much less in return for Dame for this reason. However, Dame and Gobert are nowhere close in terms of talent, leaderships, etc. So being at or near that level does seem remotely reasonable.
 
Propagandist said:
So more than half of you want Dame traded?

I find that more than astounding.
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That's not really what the poll question is asking. If rewritten in a non-bias way, the results would likely be different as well.

In general, message boards over value change, youth, hope, etc. It's the backup QB effect, where many NFL fan bases yerns for the backup to get a chance, and are far more optimistic the change will yield better results than it does.
 
Is it a forgone conclusion we're giving the NYK pick to Chicago?
 
Tince said:
That's not really what the poll question is asking. If rewritten in a non-bias way, the results would likely be different as well.

In general, message boards over value change, youth, hope, etc. It's the backup QB effect, where many NFL fan bases yerns for the backup to get a chance, and are far more optimistic the change will yield better results than it does.
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The Blazers have one of the League's youngest teams already. So technically , they have gone young. Continuing to go young is staying status quo. Trading for veteran help is trying to make the team better.
 
Strenuus said:
Is it a forgone conclusion we're giving the NYK pick to Chicago?
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It seems to make sense. I believe Mike Richman said as much.

Recently Danny Marang says he believes it'll be the 5, 2nd round picks that go to Chicago instead.

Jason Quick said on 1080 The Fan laughed at the idea that the Blazers will want to release pick to Chicago. I believe he said it makes no sense. I'll let others chime in about how clueless that makes him regarding sending out other win-now trade packages.
 
tykendo said:
The Blazers have one of the League's youngest teams already. So technically , they have gone young. Continuing to go young is staying status quo. Trading for veteran help is trying to make the team better.
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Yes, their bench is very young. Their starting lineup to start the season, wasn't that young though.

Cronin mentioned in his press conference that they were too inexperienced and that was the cause for them being unable to sustain the impact of the injuries. I got the impression his preference is to add more vet depth, but he noted he'd have to see what is available. Billups seems to echo that desire to have experience.
 
I believe Dame will be traded because I don't see them getting another all star or close all star player this off season. You can give up your 1st but will that bring back a player that meets that goal I say not. If Portland lucky enough get the number pick you damn well know there not trading that pick. But whoever they get Dame going to have changed his game somewhat to accommodate the other players on the court. Plus your not going win much if you continue to in the bottom part of the league on defense. I just think it's really time to move on from Dame and Dame basically saying it also because anybody that realistic should know that too and I think Dame have came to that conclusion without totally saying it just go ahead and trade me. Dame is top echelon player in this league but with a owner that won't go into luxury tax and your already have your back up to it then that's a big problem to go out there and sign a quality guy.
 
Tince said:
It seems to make sense. I believe Mike Richman said as much.

Recently Danny Marang says he believes it'll be the 5, 2nd round picks that go to Chicago instead.

Jason Quick said on 1080 The Fan laughed at the idea that the Blazers will want to release pick to Chicago. I believe he said it makes no sense. I'll let others chime in about how clueless that makes him regarding sending out other win-now trade packages.
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Danny doesn't know $#!T.
 
Tince said:
Jason Quick said on 1080 The Fan laughed at the idea that the Blazers will want to release pick to Chicago. I believe he said it makes no sense. I'll let others chime in about how clueless that makes him regarding sending out other win-now trade packages.
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Sure if they have a trade in place to get a star player for multiple picks then give it to Chicago. But that star player should elevate us and thus the picks may not be higher than 23rd in future drafts. So would the other team prefer that over this year's lottery pick and #23 and matching salaries and a bunch of 2's? I would think that is very debatable.
 
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