Poll on Dame's question

[tykendo]

Danny doesn't know $#!T.

Actually he kinda does.

 

[Tince]

Sure if they have a trade in place to get a star player for multiple picks then give it to Chicago. But that star player should elevate us and thus the picks may not be higher than 23rd in future drafts. So would the other team prefer that over this year's lottery pick and #23 and matching salaries and a bunch of 2's? I would think that is very debatable.

I think how Chicago has to look at it, is would they rather have (5) second round picks now or possibly have to wait another year or two to receive a pick 15-30. At least thats how Cronin should be pitching it in my opinion.

Now if they say they're fine waiting, but would take #23 this year to release it, that's where your scenario of waiting to see what win-now deals are available. Though, Chicago could up their price the second they hear a win-now deal is in Portland's lap.

It's a tricky game!

 

[Tince]

Actually he kinda does.

My take on him is that he certainly knows stuff. He also comes off like he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and wants people to think he's more connected than he is.

I get why people like him or can't stand him.

 

[blazerkor]

Actually he kinda does.

If Cronin could give the Bulls a bunch of seconds to settle owing them a first, that would be a big deal. Then we would have our pick somewhere 1-9, the 23rd pick, our 2025 first, our 2027 first our 2029 first and swaps in '24, '26, '28 and '30 that could all be moved in a monster deal or multiple deals... that would really be huge.

 

[Strenuus]

It seems to make sense. I believe Mike Richman said as much.

Recently Danny Marang says he believes it'll be the 5, 2nd round picks that go to Chicago instead.

Jason Quick said on 1080 The Fan laughed at the idea that the Blazers will want to release pick to Chicago. I believe he said it makes no sense. I'll let others chime in about how clueless that makes him regarding sending out other win-now trade packages.

Marang doesn't count lol.

And quick is the most unplugged guy now it seems. Lol. He doesn't care about the team and he's said as much lol. He always sounds so bitter.

 

[tykendo]

My take on him is that he certainly knows stuff. He also comes off like he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and wants people to think he's more connected than he is.

I get why people like him or can't stand him.

Agree. It's like Dwight Jaynes. I like him on some stuff, dislike him on others. But he's very knowledgable on Sports and other stuff. The thing that he's done better than some of us, is he gets paid to do what he loves. I'm really good at all around trivia. Especially music, sports, and architecture. But ask me about literature , poetry, auto mechanics or advanced math and i will give you the deer in the headlights look.

 

[blazerkor]

I think how Chicago has to look at it, is would they rather have (5) second round picks now or possibly have to wait another year or two to receive a pick 15-30. At least thats how Cronin should be pitching it in my opinion.

Now if they say they're fine waiting, but would take #23 this year to release it, that's where your scenario of waiting to see what win-now deals are available. Though, Chicago could up their price the second they hear a win-now deal is in Portland's lap.

It's a tricky game!

I think it's a tricky game but I don't think they could up the price too much because precedence has been set on many occasions that guaranteeing a pick takes a conditional second or just some cash... that would mean just telling them next years pick is unprotected and they get cash or a second rounder protected through the 45th pick or some shit. I think if they start demanding more than what has been set as the market standard they could risk looking like they're acting in bad faith and really do damage to their reputation with other teams around the league.

 

[tykendo]

If Cronin could give the Bulls a bunch of seconds to settle owing them a first, that would be a big deal. Then we would have our pick somewhere 1-9, the 23rd pick, our 2025 first, our 2027 first our 2029 first and swaps in '24, '26, '28 and '30 that could all be moved in a monster deal or multiple deals... that would really be huge.

I'm positive he's working on that.

 

[THE HCP]

My take on him is that he certainly knows stuff. He also comes off like he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and wants people to think he's more connected than he is.

I get why people like him or can't stand him.

I would give my opinion, but remember last time he hate-tweeted me, then deleted before I could respond…..then confronted me in the media room the next day. Gonna have to wait til my book comes out for all the juicy details FAMS.

 

[blazerkor]

I'm positive he's working on that.

That would leverage the shit out of that GP2 weeks fiasco!

 

[Cugel]

I would give my opinion, but remember last time he hate-tweeted me, then deleted before I could respond…..then confronted me in the media room the next day. Gonna have to wait til my book comes out for all the juicy details FAMS.

 

[Propagandist]

That's not really what the poll question is asking. If rewritten in a non-bias way, the results would likely be different as well.

In general, message boards over value change, youth, hope, etc. It's the backup QB effect, where many NFL fan bases yerns for the backup to get a chance, and are far more optimistic the change will yield better results than it does.

Oh stop. This isn’t even a case of semantics. It’s a direct quote from Dame saying there’s a choice to be made: go young, ie trade Dame or get something fine, ie don’t trade Dame.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Rational? I think it's moronic.

So you’re one of them irrational people. Still love ya though

 

[Mediocre Man]

Funny and equally laughable use of that word: rational.

So you think it’s more rational to try and add enough pieces with our assets to Dame so we can compete for a title in the next couple of years?

 

[Tince]

I would give my opinion, but remember last time he hate-tweeted me, then deleted before I could respond…..then confronted me in the media room the next day. Gonna have to wait til my book comes out for all the juicy details FAMS.

I'm ready for it!

 

[Tince]

Oh stop. This isn’t even a case of semantics. It’s a direct quote from Dame saying there’s a choice to be made: go young, ie trade Dame or get something fine, ie don’t trade Dame.

I google searched "Lillard 'there's a choice to be made' " and wasn't able to find it, but I'll take your word that it is a direct quote.

 

[Natebishop3]

I google searched "Lillard 'there's a choice to be made' " and wasn't able to find it, but I'll take your word that it is a direct quote.

He whispered it into my ear at 24 hour fitness.

 

[Tince]

He whispered it into my ear at 24 hour fitness.

I was already taking his word for it, but your word is the gold standard, so I'm not doubting it at all!

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

If Cronin gets Chicago to accept the 5 2nd rounders, then that is the equivalent of GP2 being traded for the Blazers conditional 1st rounder plus an 8 million-plus TPE. That would be good, but I’m not expecting it.

If the Knicks pick at 23 pays off the Chicago-debt and frees up the 1st rounders, then I won’t have to listen to national media figures chatter about how Portland doesn’t have trade capital … lazy pieces of work that they are. But nooooo, it’s just a coincidence that Cronin got 5 2nd rounders and the Knicks pick.

Some people here wanted Wiseman (or Bamba) and I get that. Even if it was just to have the contract for trades. Instead, I’m happy with the picks AND the flexibility to use the TPE while giving up nothing in return. Cleaner.

 

[Propagandist]

I google searched "Lillard 'there's a choice to be made' " and wasn't able to find it, but I'll take your word that it is a direct quote.

Interview with Stephen A Smith:

"Not only will I have a decision to make, but I think the organization will too. ... Are you gonna go young, or are we gonna get something done?"

-Damian Lillard on the Blazers' offseason

 

[TBpup]

So more than half of you want Dame traded?

I find that more than astounding.

I don't see that many people that "want" Dame traded. I do see a lot of people open to the idea that if in the long term it makes the team better, do what is best for the team. We have been sub .5o0 4 of the last 4 years. It's not like by trading Dame, the organization would be walking away from some brilliant playoff run.

 

[Propagandist]

I don't see that many people that "want" Dame traded. I do see a lot of people open to the idea that if in the long term it makes the team better, do what is best for the team. We have been sub .5o0 4 of the last 4 years. It's not like by trading Dame, the organization would be walking away from some brilliant playoff run.

I just think going from start to finish with a guy like Dame is worth more to the franchise and the city than trading him. There’s value in that on many levels. And you never know what’ll happen on the court…

 

[Tince]

I don't see that many people that "want" Dame traded. I do see a lot of people open to the idea that if in the long term it makes the team better, do what is best for the team. We have been sub .5o0 4 of the last 4 years. It's not like by trading Dame, the organization would be walking away from some brilliant playoff run.

The Blazers were 42-30 in 20-21. Did you mean 3 of the last 4 years?

 

[Tince]

I just think going from start to finish with a guy like Dame is worth more to the franchise and the city than trading him. There’s value in that on many levels. And you never know what’ll happen on the court…

I agree this is likely the case. Though, I am open to trading him if the franchise can get the appropriate value in return. As you said, that is unlikely.

 

[e_blazer]

I don't see that many people that "want" Dame traded. I do see a lot of people open to the idea that if in the long term it makes the team better, do what is best for the team. We have been sub .5o0 4 of the last 4 years. It's not like by trading Dame, the organization would be walking away from some brilliant playoff run.

But you are assuming that the Blazers won’t be able to make the trades needed for a playoff run. You’re basing that on the past four years when Olshey had screwed up the roster with expensive mid-level talent and hamstrung the ability to make trades using future firsts by making a horrible deal with Chicago. Cronin dumped those bad contracts and can clear the future first problem by cutting a deal with the Bulls. He has two good firsts this year to use in trade. Basically, it’s put up or shut up time, but he deserves the chance to make things happen that could result in a contending team.

 

[RR7]

I DO NOT WANT DAME TRADED that being said I think Brooklyn could put together a pretty compelling package that would leave almost all of their talent intact and send us a boatload of picks along with expiring contracts that we might even be able to flip for a couple more picks. Dame, Bridges, Royce O'Neal, Finney-Smith and Claxton with Patty, Cam Thomas, Cam Payne (a RFA) and Simmons (who Dame might be able to mentor to a better place) off of the bench, along with whatever they could get out of free agency with the TPMLE seems pretty fucking competitive.

They could send up Dinwiddie and Hariss' expiring contracts, 3 picks in this draft and a future first or two. There are homes for Dame that would be fair to him and have assets that would be a fair return for us... I just don't want to fucking do it because youth rebuilds are random as fuck and I want the team to do what Dame has asked which is put a more competitive and cohesive roster around him than we've been putting around him.

Brooklyn has the 21st and 22nd pick this year. They can't really trade any of their own picks, so it's a future PHX pick or Philly pick that could turn in to a 2nd. So 2 late picks in this draft, no prospects, and questionable future picks? No thank you.

 

[Hoopguru]

If we can get an all star type player (Siakam-Brown) without losing Shae, then really, within a couple years, we could have three bonafide stars plus Grant. That could be a contending team, thats what Dames expectations are.

 

[TBpup]

The Blazers were 42-30 in 20-21. Did you mean 3 of the last 4 years?

Yes, 3 of 4 years.

But you are assuming that the Blazers won’t be able to make the trades needed for a playoff run. You’re basing that on the past four years when Olshey had screwed up the roster with expensive mid-level talent and hamstrung the ability to make trades using future firsts by making a horrible deal with Chicago. Cronin dumped those bad contracts and can clear the future first problem by cutting a deal with the Bulls. He has two good firsts this year to use in trade. Basically, it’s put up or shut up time, but he deserves the chance to make things happen that could result in a contending team.

I'm not assuming anything, certainly with this ownership group. Perhaps ask a question instead of making an incorrect statement.

 

[e_blazer]

Yes, 3 of 4 years.



I'm not assuming anything, certainly with this ownership group. Perhaps ask a question instead of making an incorrect statement.

Wow. You went from zero to snark in 6.3 seconds. Impressive.

I wasn’t trying to give you grief, just pointing out that your statement that the Blazers aren’t going to have a brilliant playoff run if they keep Dame assumes that recent inability of Olshey to get anything done continues with Cronin. Assumptions based on recent history aren’t necessarily bad, and you may well be right. I was simply trying to point out that Cronin holds the best hand for making a trade that’s been available since Olshey screwed the team over. It’s on Joe to show that he can make things happen that will make the team contend with Dame. If he can’t, he should pivot to the rebuild and trade Dame.

 

[TBpup]

Wow. You went from zero to snark in 6.3 seconds. Impressive.

I wasn’t trying to give you grief, just pointing out that your statement that the Blazers aren’t going to have a brilliant playoff run if they keep Dame assumes that recent inability of Olshey to get anything done continues with Cronin. Assumptions based on recent history aren’t necessarily bad, and you may well be right. I was simply trying to point out that Cronin holds the best hand for making a trade that’s been available since Olshey screwed the team over. It’s on Joe to show that he can make things happen that will make the team contend with Dame. If he can’t, he should pivot to the rebuild and trade Dame.

No, an incorrect absolute statement was made, and I suggested a different course of reply. Impressive how incorrectly that was taken.....again.