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Me. I don't trade with the lakers. Especially a huge lopsided trade that helps them immensely get rid of an overpaid injury riddled player for probably the top PF in the league and an extremely good role player
 
TowelBoy said:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nyxtfok

Who says no?
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I was going to respond, "Detroit," because that makes no sense for them in the short term, but after looking at Gasol's massive expiring contract on paper, I'd see every reason for them to pull the trigger.

I still don't see them parting with Monroe before the season starts, but I dig the idea.

Good trade... seems to work on paper for all parties.
 
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NOVoodoo said:
I was going to respond, "Detroit," because that makes no sense for them in the short term, but after looking at Gasol's massive expiring contract on paper, I'd see every reason for them to pull the trigger.

I still don't see them parting with Monroe before the season starts, but I dig the idea.

Good trade...
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You don't think Gasol raises their 2014 ceiling? I think he's a short-term improvement over Monroe for them. And a better fit with Smith and Drummond.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Me. I don't trade with the lakers. Especially a huge lopsided trade that helps them immensely get rid of an overpaid injury riddled player for probably the top PF in the league and an extremely good role player
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It's a principled stance, I'll give ya that.

But I like it a lot from our end:

With Lillard/McCollum/Barton/Crabbe as the guards, dealing Matthews is palatable.

Those four join Batum, Monroe, Robinson, and Leonard as the young core.
 
TowelBoy said:
You don't think Gasol raises their 2014 ceiling? I think he's a short-term improvement over Monroe for them. And a better fit with Smith and Drummond.
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He'd definitely raise their 2014 ceiling, but if this trade actually went through, would their intentions really be to add Gasol for the long-term or to just value him as future cap relief?

I was always under the impression that if they'd deal Monroe or Drummond, it'd be for some backcourt help. Yeah, Gasol would help them in the short-term, but probably not to the extent to where they'd be a contender. If they were really shopping Monroe and 'Villanueva's cap relief' for a long-term solution, wouldn't you think it'd be for the guys that have been rumored, like Rondo or Jennings?

I figured you were playing off the scenario of both of those rumored trade options being unrealistic for the Pistons, so you put them in a situation to make a big backcourt signing in '14 while being competitive for the first time in a long time and upping fanbase morale next season.
 
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NOVoodoo said:
He'd definitely raise their 2014 ceiling, but if this trade actually went through, would their intentions really be to add Gasol for the long-term or to just value him as future cap relief?

I was always under the impression that if they'd deal Monroe or Drummond, it'd be for some backcourt help. Yeah, Gasol would help them in the short-term, but probably not to the extent to where they'd be a contender. If they were really shopping Monroe and 'Villanueva's cap relief' for a long-term solution, wouldn't you think it'd be for the guys that have been rumored, like Rondo or Jennings?

I figured you were playing off the scenario of both of those rumored trade options being unrealistic for the Pistons, so you put them in a situation to make a big backcourt signing in '14 while being competitive for the first time in a long time and upping fanbase morale next season.
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Good analysis. I keep forgetting to try to get them a young guard in my scenarios. You're right, they would probably prefer that to this deal, but Gasol does have the dual short-term and long-term benefits we've touched on.
 
TowelBoy said:
Something along these lines maybe: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=obuxs5e
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You know, I'm a few beers past having reasonable judgment, but that makes a lot more sense for the Pistons than the last scenario.

I can't figure out what the Bucks are doing though. They've struck out swinging in pretty much every free agency scenario thus far, and they've reportedly already rejected some similar offers from the Pistons.

I'm not a fan of Brandon Knight... really, I'd rather try my chances with Brandin Knight, but with the Bucks, it's hard to tell what direction they're going in now. I gave up trying to figure them out once they signed Zaza Pachulia to that ridiculously huge contract and let Luc Richard Mbah a Moute walk for pretty much nothing.

With the apparent directions that all of those teams are trying to go in though, that's a great trade on all ends.
 
TowelBoy said:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nyxtfok

We get Monroe, LA's 2014 unprotected, and CVEC for Aldridge and Matthews.

Don't love parting with Matthews but felt like LA wasn't getting enough for Gasol and their pick. They team Aldridge and Matthews with Kobe and a free agent in 2014

Who says no?
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The league says no, because that deal doesn't work under the CBA. Pau's contract is more than 150% of the sum total of Monroe/Villanueva. Also, DET says no, unless Pau is extended for a few more years; otherwise they lose one of their best assets for basically nothing.

TowelBoy said:
Something along these lines maybe: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=obuxs5e
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That is even worse for Detroit--you have them giving up Monroe and Knight for Jennings. Monroe is the best player of those three; what's DET's motivation for that deal? I just don't see it.
 
TowelBoy said:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nyxtfok

We get Monroe, LA's 2014 unprotected, and CVEC for Aldridge and Matthews.

Don't love parting with Matthews but felt like LA wasn't getting enough for Gasol and their pick. They team Aldridge and Matthews with Kobe and a free agent in 2014

Who says no?
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Okay first off, what ever happened to the laker protected first rounder to Phoenix for Nash? I remember last season, if the lakers didn't make the playoffs, their first rounder goes to Phoenix? Since they made the playoffs, Phoenix didn't get the pick. Was that just a one year thing? I've asked this like 4 times and never got an answer.

Second, I will never support any deal that would help the Lakers. None. I don't even care if we come out better on the deal.

But even in this scenario, lakers come out best in the scenario. Why?
 
Other then LMA wouldn't want to play there why wouldn't we just do the deal directly with DET (and then maybe we get to keep Matthews or send him elsewhere for more help)?

LMA doesn't have a no-trade clause. I guess you could say that DET might not be interested in a short-term rental.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Other then LMA wouldn't want to play there why wouldn't we just do the deal directly with DET (and then maybe we get to keep Matthews or send him elsewhere for more help)?

LMA doesn't have a no-trade clause. I guess you could say that DET might not be interested in a short-term rental.
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If I'm working any deal with Detroit; it's a three team with Houston. Using batum and Aldridge; we have a good shot at getting Monroe, asik and parson. Villanueva would need to be included to make salaries match.

Batum goes to Detroit and Aldridge goes to Houston, with us getting a Houston first rounder (they have 2).
 
magnifier661 said:
If I'm working any deal with Detroit; it's a three team with Houston. Using batum and Aldridge; we have a good shot at getting Monroe, asik and parson. Villanueva would need to be included to make salaries match.

Batum goes to Detroit and Aldridge goes to Houston, with us getting a Houston first rounder (they have 2).
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In that deal, I think Detroit gets the 1st rounder. Monroe is worth more than Batum (IMO).
 
Obviously the Lakers would love this trade they make out like bandits.

This deal isn't plausible for so many reasons. The obvious being as Mags said the Lakers cannot trade their 2014 pick until draft night. Secondly why does Detroit want to trade for the expiring contract of Gasol; both Monroe and Villanueva are better expiring contracts! The two smaller expirings are much easier to package in other trades since they have the option of trading one or both. Monroe's expiring is worth more than Gasol as Detroit will have Monroe's restricted free agency rights instead of the unrestricted Gasol who can leave for any team without compensation.

One scenario I could definitely see is the Lakers trading Gasol at the deadline if the team is well under .500. I think they would be interested in expirings, a player on a cheap contract, and/or a draft pick with the intention of signing Gasol back next summer. That trade would also improve their 2014 pick.
 
Draco said:
Obviously the Lakers would love this trade they make out like bandits.

This deal isn't plausible for so many reasons. The obvious being as Mags said the Lakers cannot trade their 2014 pick until draft night. Secondly why does Detroit want to trade for the expiring contract of Gasol; both Monroe and Villanueva are better expiring contracts! The two smaller expirings are much easier to package in other trades since they have the option of trading one or both. Monroe's expiring is worth more than Gasol as Detroit will have Monroe's restricted free agency rights instead of the unrestricted Gasol who can leave for any team without compensation.

One scenario I could definitely see is the Lakers trading Gasol at the deadline if the team is well under .500. I think they would be interested in expirings, a player on a cheap contract, and/or a draft pick with the intention of signing Gasol back next summer. That trade would also improve their 2014 pick.
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I assume at worst Monroe would be a restricted free agent so he isn't a true expiring. But I agree with everything else you said.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I assume at worst Monroe would be a restricted free agent so he isn't a true expiring. But I agree with everything else you said.
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I think what he meant is Monroe is a better free agent because they hold his QO. It has more value if a team really wants him. They could do a sign and trade or just let him walk. Both work out the same.

Although. I'm sure gasol would get 9-10 mil the following season; as opposed to Monroe probably getting 12-13 mil.
 
magnifier661 said:
That's fine. Having parson, asik and Monroe would be plenty.
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If we trade away LaMarcus I don't see why we would be interested in Asik. Better to just let MyLe play and help our draft pick. We should explore getting rid of Batum and Matthews as well.

I would look at something like getting unprotected Houston picks in 2015, 2017 and 2019. By then Howard could be a shell of himself. For the extra picks let them keep their darlene Parsons and have Asik go to a 3rd team for picks or guys on cheap contracts with more than a year left.
 
Draco said:
If we trade away LaMarcus I don't see why we would be interested in Asik. Better to just let MyLe play and help our draft pick. We should explore getting rid of Batum and Matthews as well.
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Because he's also talking about getting Monroe, who is strong offensively, but not good defensively. Asik would paid with Monroe, similarly to how we were wanting Asik to pair with Aldridge. An Asik/Monroe/Parsons frontline would be comparable production-wise to a Lopez/Aldridge/Batum, but less expensive, and with Lopez still there as a backup.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Because he's also talking about getting Monroe, who is strong offensively, but not good defensively. Asik would paid with Monroe, similarly to how we were wanting Asik to pair with Aldridge. An Asik/Monroe/Parsons frontline would be comparable production-wise to a Lopez/Aldridge/Batum, but less expensive, and with Lopez still there as a backup.
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Exactly!
 
Again, get the L*kers the fuck out of this deal, then we'll talk.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
An Asik/Monroe/Parsons frontline would be comparable production-wise
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Well that’s where I have a big disagreement. I think that would be a significant step back and for sure put us into the lottery. Monroe is putting up offensive stats on a terrible team, and he is not good defensively. Asik is similar to Pryzbilla, a nice player on one end of the court but terrible on the other. LaMarcus contributes on both ends, that is exponentially more valuable than a pair of one-way players.

I’d rather just let LaMarcus walk in two years.
 
TowelBoy said:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nyxtfok

We get Monroe, LA's 2014 unprotected, and CVEC for Aldridge and Matthews.

Don't love parting with Matthews but felt like LA wasn't getting enough for Gasol and their pick. They team Aldridge and Matthews with Kobe and a free agent in 2014

Who says no?
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I don't like this trade. I'm not against trading but that's just awful. Monroe is not even a proven All Star.
I do
 
Draco said:
Well that’s where I have a big disagreement. I think that would be a significant step back and for sure put us into the lottery. Monroe is putting up offensive stats on a terrible team, and he is not good defensively. Asik is similar to Pryzbilla, a nice player on one end of the court but terrible on the other. LaMarcus contributes on both ends, that is exponentially more valuable than a pair of one-way players.

I’d rather just let LaMarcus walk in two years.
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If we let Aldridge walk; how does that help us? I do agree that Monroe is less than Aldridge, and batum is more than parson; but asik is a good prize; IMO. Then we can trade Leonard and Possibly freeland for picks.

Yes we go to the lottery; but we have a younger core; excluding asik of course. You can build a good line around Lillard and have our pick, plus picks we obtain from trades.

Remember that I've only offered these deals if we know for sure Aldridge wants out. There is no sense in losing our draft pick, plus not obtaining picks in next summer's draft; which is the strongest it's been since lbj year.

Also, maybe it's best to have a clean slate. Batum and Matthews are part of the Roy, Aldridge and oden era. Maybe it's time to flip the page?
 
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