POR's 3 point percentage guard shooting stinks

[Blazinaway]

Wow, when you look at our 4 guard rotation's 3 pt shooting percentages you have to cringe and really be concerned since we are a team who often lives and dies by our jump shooting. Adding up all the 3 pointers made and attempted by Roy/Rudy/Bayless/Miller our 3 pt% was 32.7% - that's simply awful. Rudy lead with 266 attempts and a 36.8% clip, Roy was 221 attempts with 33% made, Bayless was 92 attempted with 31.5% made, Miller 80 attempted at 20%. Everyone has significantly lower percentages from last year, except Bayless, who jumped from 25.9 to 31.5%.

Yikes, this is overall very poor shooting, no wonder teams can just clog the middle on us and let our guards bomb away. I think this is an area of significant concern, especially given how our team's offense is constructed.

 

[hasoos]

You are correct sir! IMO there is no excuse for missing an open 3 and our guards got a lot of them. Hell PHX played a zone against us about half the time, or at least so it seemed.

 

[mook]

Well, quite a few teams don't get much quality three point shooting out of their small forward. Carmello, LeBron, Howard, Iguodala, Butler, Marion...there's a pretty long list of starting quality threes who shoot below 34% from three for their career. So they better have guards on their team who can shoot.

Meanwhile, Batum hit threes at a whopping 41% this year. When he was out there with Roy, and with Aldridge and Miller both lethal in the mid-range game, there was enough perimeter shooting. The problem was that Batum missed half a season, he was really banged up in the playoffs, and even when he was healthy and playing Nate only allotted him 25 mpg.

If he can get and stay healthy, we'll be fine.

The bench, of course, is another matter. We need somebody on the bench who can hit pressure threes in big games. That was supposed to be Rudy, but it clearly isn't happening. It's pretty much the only reason I can see for bringing back Blake.

 

[hasoos]

I wonder if w can get another 6% increase out of Bayless this next year. If Bayless can add an outside shot to his game, it is a totally different situation you are dealing with. You can't sag off him. You can't switch a big on to him. It would open up the rest of his game big time.

 

[Blazinaway]

Well, quite a few teams don't get much quality three point shooting out of their small forward. Carmello, LeBron, Howard, Iguodala, Butler, Marion...there's a pretty long list of starting quality threes who shoot below 34% from three for their career. So they better have guards on their team who can shoot.

Meanwhile, Batum hit threes at a whopping 41% this year. When he was out there with Roy, and with Aldridge and Miller both lethal in the mid-range game, there was enough perimeter shooting. The problem was that Batum missed half a season, he was really banged up in the playoffs, and even when he was healthy and playing Nate only allotted him 25 mpg.

If he can get and stay healthy, we'll be fine.

The bench, of course, is another matter. We need somebody on the bench who can hit pressure threes in big games. That was supposed to be Rudy, but it clearly isn't happening. It's pretty much the only reason I can see for bringing back Blake.

I disagree, our guards need to be able to make 3's at a better clip, just Batum/Webs is no where near enough

 

[Mediocre Man]

Leaguewide average is only 22%, so apparently we have above average shooters.

 

[Wheels]

I wonder if w can get another 6% increase out of Bayless this next year. If Bayless can add an outside shot to his game, it is a totally different situation you are dealing with. You can't sag off him. You can't switch a big on to him. It would open up the rest of his game big time.

And would solve our PGOTF need as well.. even though he wouldnt be the distributor.. he sure would complement Roy like Blake... but be able to attack at a 405,334 times better than Blake.

 

[Blazinaway]

I know 22% is way, way wrong, most NBA teams average 34-37% as a team. Check your stats please.

 

[illmatic99]

I disagree, our guards need to be able to make 3's at a better clip, just Batum/Webs is no where near enough

LOL.How does it matter who shoots that high %?

Webs and Batum are really good.

 

[Blazinaway]

LOL.How does it matter who shoots that high %?

Webs and Batum are really good.

are you serious? with the offense we run under Nate we need our PG's to be able to be a solid threat from the 3, otherwise we are in trouble. Change our offense (and/or coach) and then I might agree, but the way it stands this is a problem.

 

[Nikolokolus]

League average from 3 point range is 35% (go to basketball-reference.com and look up league wide stats). Of course this isn't the average player % because poor three point shooters usually take less shots from three than good long range shooters.

 

[HailBlazers]

IF we had a solid low post presence our number of quality three point looks would sky-rocket. Add in some ball movement and our 3-pt FG% will naturally rise.

 

[hasoos]

Leaguewide average is only 22%, so apparently we have above average shooters.

Well yea, but lets get to reality here. Who gives a shit what Dwight Howard shoots from the 3 point line. League wide is exactly that. Every player in the league. Way to go with a useless stat!

 

[oldmangrouch]

I said it in preseason, and I will say it again: you can't build a consistently successful offense by relying on journeymen players (eg Blake, Outlaw, and Rudy) to be lights out 3 point shooters. It is dumb luck basketball. When - not if - they go cold, you're in deep sheep-dip.

 

[handiman]

I said it in preseason, and I will say it again: you can't build a consistently successful offense by relying on journeymen players (eg Blake, Outlaw, and Rudy) to be lights out 3 point shooters. It is dumb luck basketball. When - not if - they go cold, you're in deep sheep-dip.

Isn't that exactly what San Antonio, LA, and Boston have done to win the bulk of the championships the past 10 years?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Isn't that exactly what San Antonio, LA, and Boston have done to win the bulk of the championships the past 10 years?

I wouldn't call people like Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kobe "journeymen".

I will concede you have a point on SA. The difference is, they played inside-out with a future HOF low-post player named Duncan. Guys like Bowen got a lot of wide open looks as a result.

 

[Tince]

Isn't that exactly what San Antonio, LA, and Boston have done to win the bulk of the championships the past 10 years?

You are exactly right. I can't wait to hear it gets spun that those teams didn't rely on role players to space the court and knock down threes.

 

[Minstrel]

I wouldn't call people like Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kobe "journeymen".

I wouldn't say that any of those players, with the possible exception of Allen, were primarily expected to space the floor and shoot from long-distance. Pierce and Kobe were the their team's primary play-makers, which involved slashing into the paint. Most of their jumpers ended up being of the mid-range variety. Not that they couldn't shoot threes, obviously, but that wasn't their main role. Even Allen could be seen as a secondary play-maker.

All three teams have relied upon journeymen shooters who provided no real contribution (offensively) except to fire from range when open.

 

[Tince]

I wouldn't call people like Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kobe "journeymen".

I will concede you have a point on SA. The difference is, they played inside-out with a future HOF low-post player named Duncan. Guys like Bowen got a lot of wide open looks as a result.

What do you call Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, Robert Horry, James Posey, Eddie House, Sam Cassell, and Tony Allen?

The All-Stars need spacers around them or else they won't have the room to operate.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Isn't that exactly what San Antonio, LA, and Boston have done to win the bulk of the championships the past 10 years?

To a point, but there's more to it than just surrounding a bunch of journeymen shooters around your stars, each of those teams has had a guy (or two) I would call a "Big Time" shooter (Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Eddie House, Manu, "Big Shot" Bob, Derick Fisher, Kobe etc.). Guys who seem to get better the bigger the moment is.

 

[oldmangrouch]

What do you call Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, Robert Horry, James Posey, Eddie House, Sam Cassell, and Tony Allen?

The All-Stars need spacers around them or else they won't have the room to operate.

What would I call them? The 4th or 5th option.

For the Blazers, hucking up a 3 is too frequently the 1st or 2nd option.

Ah what's the point. When the Phoenix freaking Suns smother you with their defense, your offense has big problems. How is that even debatable?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm a pretty big fan of seeing if Batum and Bayless can split minutes at the 1 (granted, it's different bringing the ball up against the Nuggets or Jazz than against Italy or Croatia), and then having a 2/3 rotation of Roy/Webster/Draft pick where we keep a defensive presence like Pondexter (my preference) or someone with ballhanding/shooting skills like Hayward or Singler or Hobson (or, in the pipe dream scenario, Evan Turner). Quincy doesn't shoot the 3, but he's very Dante-like in his ability to hit the midrange J's and play tough D.