Politics Portland Antifa attacks, sends journalist to the hospital

[Hoopguru]

Looks like antifa is getting better at assault.

Or Portland is becoming increasingly more lawless. If the police can't protect citizens, it's time for the citizens to protect themselves.

Damn right! Those antifa are the brown shirts of Portland.
Im a old sucker but I will not put up with their bullshit in my neighbor hood!
You want to protest in peace and with respect to others great I'm all for it.
Ever since my granddaughter was harassed and pushed by these cowards Id l,ike nothing more for those that cause that crap to get their asses kicked. This isn't about politics with me its about respecting one another.
Portland's Mayor has to go.....

 

[Hoopguru]

Yes. There's not really any other explanation. No one forces him to repeatedly interact with antifa. At this point he knows exactly what the drill is, and he chooses to engage.



Other people are other people. We were talking about this guy specifically. I agree innocent bystanders are innocent.



They are there for the fight, same as the Proud Boys. Neither side has any call to complain about getting their asses kicked.

barfo

agree...both sides are not being respectful of the right and privilege. If they cant respect it and be peaceful, don't provide permits to those groups.
again, if any of theses guys (either side) came in to my neighbor hood tried this, they'd get run out of here.

 

[Hoopguru]

The Proud Boys were there dressed in full riot gear. Do you think they were looking for trouble? Do they have a non violent reputation?

either side is in the wrong when they disrespect the law and others. I wouldn't grant either of the groups again any kind of permit.
Violence and hate on both sides has to stop or the young people today will feel they need to choose a side out of fear, which is flat wrong.
When I changed from being a democrat to a repub many moons ago, nobody shunned me or gave me crap. This the power for freedom right there. hen I changed from repub to and independent the same.
Im glad my neighborhood can get together and party and have fun on the fourth! all religions, parties, sex's etc. Its done with respect to one another and its Freedom in the most Powerful form!

 

[Hoopguru]

It’s all disgraceful. Period. Both sides. Angers me beyond words that our shitty police and mayor stand and watch. Disregarding the 99% of the population around here who are sick of this embarrassment.

bingo...where are the leaders of both groups and this City call for the end of this stuff.
Lets have a love in at Mckiver Park!

 

[MarAzul]

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Wow! The Antifa MFs that did this were fortunate . By shear luck they picked the wrong old man.

Damn, I guess I have to check what's going down before I go down in that friggin war zone. I almost never check, just bumble in.

 

[Lanny]

LBJ by a large margin lol

LBJ actually did some real good unlike Trump. Remember, it was LBJ that got the Voting Rights act passed.

 

[Lanny]

bingo...where are the leaders of both groups and this City call for the end of this stuff.
Lets have a love in at Mckiver Park!

I was at that park for Vortex which was the idea from the McCall administration back in 1969 or 1970 if memory serves me. Lots of weed and lots of nudity. Beautiful park.

 

[Hoopguru]

I was at that park for Vortex which was the idea from the McCall administration back in 1969 or 1970 if memory serves me. Lots of weed and lots of nudity. Beautiful park.

I was there too...in the nude mud tent! boom shakalaka

 

[Lanny]

Please link me a right wing extremist protest in Portland prior to the Trump election riots back in 2016.

Maybe you could show me where ANTIFA protested in Porltand prior to 2016 and Trump's election.

"According to a 2017 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, "of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 94, respectively). However, 52 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack on the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida in 2016."

In 2018, most ideologically motivated murders were linked to right-wing extremism."

 

[Lanny]

I was there too...in the nude mud tent! boom shakalaka

I was fully clothed, although my girl friend, soon to be ex wife, probably was keen to strip naked. She was a wild one.
A note about my ex, she was sexually extremely immoral but attended a church of the same sect as me, Episcopalian. That's why I had hopes that she would turn her life around.

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe you could show me where ANTIFA protested in Porltand prior to 2016 and Trump's election.

"According to a 2017 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, "of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 94, respectively). However, 52 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack on the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida in 2016."

In 2018, most ideologically motivated murders were linked to right-wing extremism."

What does any of that have to do with ANTIFA and the liberals making Portland their battleground? There wasn't a single right wing protest in Portland until ANTIFA tore up our city after the election.

 

[Hoopguru]

Anita was raising hell 5 years ago especially in Seattle with the police.

 

[barfo]

Anita was raising hell 5 years ago especially in Seattle with the police.

Is Anita Lanny's ex-wife?

barfo

 

[jonnyboy]

Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes
Is anyone so blind as to think this group is not all about bigotry and violence? Did you know that they marched with the KKK and Nazis in Charlottesville carrying torches and chanting "Jews will not replace us!"?

Edit:
This from the FBI -
“There have been instances where self-identified Proud Boys have been violent,” he said. “We do not intend and we do not designate groups, especially broad national groups, as extremists.”

You’re grabbing for anything you can at this point dude. It’s nobody’s fault but the people doing it.

 

[jonnyboy]

That "journalist" isn't so innocent. Note he gets beat up at every single one of these events. Makes you wonder why he keeps attending, doesn't it?

barfo

Because he covers those events in particular, that’s his niche. That’s why he continues to show up. The reason he gets beat up every time is because antifa are a bunch of violent fucks.

 

[barfo]

Because he covers those events in particular, that’s his niche. That’s why he continues to show up. The reason he gets beat up every time is because antifa are a bunch of violent fucks.

Yeah, it's just not possible to cover a protest without getting close enough to be punched, right? That's why every journalist downtown got punched. Or did they?

barfo

 

[jonnyboy]

Yeah, it's just not possible to cover a protest without getting close enough to be punched, right? That's why every journalist downtown got punched. Or did they?

barfo

You know those are other adult humans throwing those punches right? They are not bears at Yellowstone indiscriminately attacking for food. They are adults making a conscious decision to commit violence. Quit treating them as a random variable with no accountability.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

It really is only a matter of time before one of these Antifa thugs gets shot for fucking with the wrong person, and while a life being taken is awful, it will be justified.

 

[barfo]

You know those are other adult humans throwing those punches right? They are not bears at Yellowstone indiscriminately attacking for food. They are adults making a conscious decision to commit violence. Quit treating them as a random variable with no accountability.

That's not something I'm doing.

But if you want an explicit statement, they are certainly responsible for throwing the punches, and should be held accountable under the law.

They are, as you say, adults making a conscious decision to punch. And this guy Ngo, he's an adult making a conscious decision to be punched.

Quit acting like he's a bear at Yellowstone that randomly wandered through a campground.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

What does any of that have to do with ANTIFA and the liberals making Portland their battleground? There wasn't a single right wing protest in Portland until ANTIFA tore up our city after the election.

If you can't see that ANTIFA is a reaction to Right wing extremism, first in Europe, than there's nothing I or anyone else can do. I've done all I can.

 

[Lanny]

Anita was raising hell 5 years ago especially in Seattle with the police.

That wasn't ANTIFA. Those were anarchists.
I'm sure that many anarchists later joined ANTIFA but they weren't ANTIFA at the time.
I'm not defending ANTIFA but rather trying to point out that they are a reaction to Right wing extremists. It's certainly not the way that I would react and two wrongs don't make a right. I'm simply trying to put things into perspective but I appear to be failing.
I'd like to see some outrage at the people who got beat up at Trump rallies. It wouldn't have to be a lot of outrage but some would be nice.

 

[Hoopguru]

This needs to be done.

 

[Hoopguru]

That wasn't ANTIFA. Those were anarchists.
I'm sure that many anarchists later joined ANTIFA but they weren't ANTIFA at the time.
I'm not defending ANTIFA but rather trying to point out that they are a reaction to Right wing extremists. It's certainly not the way that I would react and two wrongs don't make a right. I'm simply trying to put things into perspective but I appear to be failing.
I'd like to see some outrage at the people who got beat up at Trump rallies. It wouldn't have to be a lot of outrage but some would be nice.

Doesn't matter which side the violence is on there is no justification for it.

 

[donkiez]

Come on guys, I'm sure there are good people on both sides.

 

[Hoopguru]

Come on guys, I'm sure there are good people on both sides.

Not if they are the ones destroying property and hurting innocent people. And oh, preventing freedom of speech with hate.
Those are the dirt bags that need to get their ass's kicked and put behind bars and on a work crew. Fine them $5000 and take away their drivers license.

 

[MarAzul]

I've done all I can.

Good good. Bye.

 

[Hoopguru]

That's not something I'm doing.

But if you want an explicit statement, they are certainly responsible for throwing the punches, and should be held accountable under the law.

They are, as you say, adults making a conscious decision to punch. And this guy Ngo, he's an adult making a conscious decision to be punched.

Quit acting like he's a bear at Yellowstone that randomly wandered through a campground.

barfo

agree, most media people now days are looking to draw attention to themselves and make shit up.
He shouldnt have been there, imo but even so he should have been left alone.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That's not something I'm doing.

But if you want an explicit statement, they are certainly responsible for throwing the punches, and should be held accountable under the law.

They are, as you say, adults making a conscious decision to punch. And this guy Ngo, he's an adult making a conscious decision to be punched.

Quit acting like he's a bear at Yellowstone that randomly wandered through a campground.

barfo

Vital flaw in this statement. The guy is making a conscious decision to be punched.


No he is not! He is consciously putting himself in a position where he might be punched.

So police officers should fit this then. They make a conscious decision to get punched and shot at and al that. So its their fault right???

Come on barfo. You are smarter than this...

 

[barfo]

Vital flaw in this statement. The guy is making a conscious decision to be punched.


No he is not! He is consciously putting himself in a position where he might be punched.

Sure, and a guy who jumps off a 20 story building without a parachute is consciously putting himself in a position where he might splat on the pavement. But he's not actually making a decision to splat on the pavement, that's out of his control since he's not in charge of physics.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sure, and a guy who jumps off a 20 story building without a parachute is consciously putting himself in a position where he might splat on the pavement. But he's not actually making a decision to splat on the pavement, that's out of his control since he's not in charge of physics.

barfo

Are you serious with these comparisons? I mean what are the options for the building jumper? to be caught by a flying bird? To spread his wings? The jumper knows with 100% certainty the outcome will be smacking the pavement.

NGO doesn't know with 100% certainty he will be a victim of violence.

I'M about done with this back and forth if you arent going to use rational explanations(which you cant, because there is no rational justification for the violence the guy received)

Can we please have a real discussion and not these left field apples to oranges comparisons that dont equate?