OT Portland hotel calls cops on black guest in lobby

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jlprk said:
I'll expand my answers.


There should have been 2 higher levels of review. Neither the manager nor the policeman reviewed the decision of the bottom guy. So both the hotel and police department should pay up.
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I’m not so sure about the police. I want police to strictly follow the laws applied evenly and correctly, not to be moral arbiters. By the time the police arrive, there was a big dust-up and the wronged guest had been evicted. The police simply made sure he left without more of an altercation that could have resulted in injuries. The police did not arrest, detain or do anything other then enforce trespassing and offer the mad a ride.

The hotel on the other hand was totally complicit in racism. The police did their job so the courts could resolve the issue civilly.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I know many Christians Id consider bigots, and on and on. My point is that painting all republicans or democrats, or blacks, or whites, or Atheists, or Christians, whatever is literally the root of racism, and all those other "isms". It's terribly not funny when a Black person gets profiled for being Black and judged by that, just as it's not funny to judge a Democrat or anyone else based solely on a label, skin color, etc.
What happened to this guy sounds awful and I hope the people who did it for it.
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I consider the worst of the bigots, or at least those that are irredeemable, to not be Christians.
 
Fez Von Savage said:
Absolutely not my stance.

Not every Republican is a racist. That's just an ignorant position. However, every racist in America - chances are he/she's a Republican. It really is one of your safer bets.
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Isn’t that like saying ‘not every Muslim is bad..but....every middle eastern terrorist seems to be Muslim...’. ? And isn’t that what “liberals” have a problem with?
 
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I’m not so sure about the police. I want police to strictly follow the laws applied evenly and correctly, not to be moral arbiters. By the time the police arrive, there was a big dust-up and the wronged guest had been evicted. The police simply made sure he left without more of an altercation that could have resulted in injuries. The police did not arrest, detain or do anything other then enforce trespassing and offer the mad a ride.

The hotel on the other hand was totally complicit in racism. The police did their job so the courts could resolve the issue civilly.
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I am guessing you deciphered the issue or the police did correctly. I could not tell what the hell went down from what I saw. Did not see enough
 
Another manufactured outrage by another rude prick who thinks he's deserving of special deference from normal everyday business etiquette and security for guests.

All hotels have a policy that in exchange for a room you agree to follow the rules which include providing proof that you are a paid guest. It’s a basic safety rule that is the first line of defense in maintaining a safe and clean property that will attract guests and repeat guests. Usually also required by the hotel’s insurance company.

With all the homeless and methheads in PDX Earl likely deals with unwelcome intruders of various levels of insanity every night.

When they refuse to tell you their room number as this clown deliberately did, you call the police and trespass them from the property.
Any guest who breaks the rules is a threat to overall guest security and comfort.

Whether too loud, or criminal activity or just rudeness, they are a liability to a successful business.
 
You'd really think that businesses would be smarter than this in a cell phone/youtube age.
 
MARIS61 said:
Another manufactured outrage by another rude prick who thinks he's deserving of special deference from normal everyday business etiquette and security for guests.

All hotels have a policy that in exchange for a room you agree to follow the rules which include providing proof that you are a paid guest. It’s a basic safety rule that is the first line of defense in maintaining a safe and clean property that will attract guests and repeat guests. Usually also required by the hotel’s insurance company.

With all the homeless and methheads in PDX Earl likely deals with unwelcome intruders of various levels of insanity every night.

When they refuse to tell you their room number as this clown deliberately did, you call the police and trespass them from the property.
Any guest who breaks the rules is a threat to overall guest security and comfort.

Whether too loud, or criminal activity or just rudeness, they are a liability to a successful business.
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None of this matters at all unless they ask the same question of EVERY single person. The second it becomes a situation where they only asked HIM then it's pretty easy to connect the dots as to how they "randomly" decided to ask this guy what his room number was. For frame of reference I travel for work a moderate amount and spend a lot of time in hotels, in their lobbies etc, never once been asked what my room number was at any hotel. Even when I've been in their lobby for hours either on the phone or waiting for some one, or whatever the case may have been. Should the guy have just said what his room number was? I don't know probably, but why is it on Blacks to "need" training in how to diffuse situations and not on whites to not create stupid situations that don't need to happen...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
None of this matters at all unless they ask the same question of EVERY single person. The second it becomes a situation where they only asked HIM then it's pretty easy to connect the dots as to how they "randomly" decided to ask this guy what his room number was. For frame of reference I travel for work a moderate amount and spend a lot of time in hotels, in their lobbies etc, never once been asked what my room number was at any hotel. Even when I've been in their lobby for hours either on the phone or waiting for some one, or whatever the case may have been. Should the guy have just said what his room number was? I don't know probably, but why is it on Blacks to "need" training in how to diffuse situations and not on whites to not create stupid situations that don't need to happen...
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Your questions probably do have a logical answers. This night they ran off a paying customer, or so the story goes. I am not so sure as to why the fellow could not
tell them (the security guard) his room number. Odd that. Then we have the reality. It is not that often you stay in a hotel and the sitting area has fellows wearing hoodies. I stayed in a hotel just last week, on Monday night in Eugene. Not a hoodie in the Lobby.
 
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I was in a hotel lobby in Toronto recently and saw something similar happen. Me on one lobby couch, a black dude on the couch opposite. Security came over and told him to move along, didn't say a word to me.

Now, admittedly, he looked a bit homeless, and he was napping (sitting upright), whereas I was dressed up in my best eyepatch and working on my computer.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I was in a hotel lobby in Toronto recently and saw something similar happen. Me on one lobby couch, a black dude on the couch opposite. Security came over and told him to move along, didn't say a word to me.

Now, admittedly, he looked a bit homeless, and he was napping (sitting upright), whereas I was dressed up in my best eyepatch and working on my computer.

barfo
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Trying, but I can't ever remember sitting on the couches in the lobby. The only time is when at some Island some where when you rent a room then you need to wait for the people to make up your room before they let you go to it. You can get quite familiar with the lobby couch in some of those places.
 
MARIS61 said:
Another manufactured outrage by another rude prick who thinks he's deserving of special deference from normal everyday business etiquette and security for guests.

All hotels have a policy that in exchange for a room you agree to follow the rules which include providing proof that you are a paid guest. It’s a basic safety rule that is the first line of defense in maintaining a safe and clean property that will attract guests and repeat guests. Usually also required by the hotel’s insurance company.

With all the homeless and methheads in PDX Earl likely deals with unwelcome intruders of various levels of insanity every night.

When they refuse to tell you their room number as this clown deliberately did, you call the police and trespass them from the property.
Any guest who breaks the rules is a threat to overall guest security and comfort.

Whether too loud, or criminal activity or just rudeness, they are a liability to a successful business.
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That’s crap. I’ve sat in at least 50 Portland hotel lobby’s over the years, never had a guard question me.
 
barfo said:
I was in a hotel lobby in Toronto recently and saw something similar happen. Me on one lobby couch, a black dude on the couch opposite. Security came over and told him to move along, didn't say a word to me.

Now, admittedly, he looked a bit homeless, and he was napping (sitting upright), whereas I was dressed up in my best eyepatch and working on my computer.

barfo
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how is toronto
 
I work for a hotel and this sounds like a case where the security overstepped their boundaries. Generally we give folks a fair amount of leeway if they're sitting in the lobby talking or simply minding their own business for a period of time. A larger hotel like this will have a ton of non-guests every day who come into the lobby and there's no way that security is going to bother to question the vast majority of them. If they do something overtly suspicious or present some indication that they're not a guest (e.g. sitting idly while charging their phone in the wall socket), we will send security.

My guess is that security was profiling and less than friendly in the initial encounter, as well as ignoring the room key, and the guest was probably combative in response rather than working to diffuse the situation, hence them ultimately being escorted out of the hotel. In fairness to this hotel, there was a prostitute that was murdered in a stairwell there a few years ago, so I can understand them being more on edge with security issues than most places. But the security guard should probably be disciplined based on the details provided in the story.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
None of this matters at all unless they ask the same question of EVERY single person. The second it becomes a situation where they only asked HIM then it's pretty easy to connect the dots as to how they "randomly" decided to ask this guy what his room number was. For frame of reference I travel for work a moderate amount and spend a lot of time in hotels, in their lobbies etc, never once been asked what my room number was at any hotel. Even when I've been in their lobby for hours either on the phone or waiting for some one, or whatever the case may have been. Should the guy have just said what his room number was? I don't know probably, but why is it on Blacks to "need" training in how to diffuse situations and not on whites to not create stupid situations that don't need to happen...
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I have about a decade of experience as a hotel night clerk. We had no security personnel. I dealt with unauthorized trespassers nearly every shift. Some are just wretchedly filthy/smelly homeless who want to warm up and mooch coffee, some are thinking of robbing you or guests. Most are career criminals looking to steal anything laying around like a phone, laptop, or anything pawnable.

Some are methheads or alcoholics and crazy in a very dangerous way. I've had my threatened both verbally and physically, been chased around the parking lot, had glass doors shattered. Anyone you don't remember from checking them in is verified as soon as they are noticed on the property, unless they are with someone you know is a guest.

The #1 scam to buy them entrance and time to case the place is to pretend to be busy with a phone call.

Most hotels trespass several people every week or have them arrested, some of them unruly/argumentative guests but mostly criminals, hopefully without the guests noticing.

The Portland Double Tree hosts more black people in one week than most of you have given the time of day in your lives, so it's particularly funny that this bozo tried his stunt there. Such a sad life he must have to stoop so low.
 
BlazerWookee said:
That's bollocks. And more than a little bigoted.
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I don't know if it is bigoted. It is the dumbest thing posted in the history of S2.

It's so dumb that if I hadn't seen Pulp Fiction and he said it was a great movie I'd skip it.

It is such a stupid thing to say that it almost has to be pure trolling but I don't think it is and that's scary.
 
Fez Von Savage said:
FTFY :evilwait:
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Fez Von Savage said:
FTFY

If you're going to call out "leftist" maniacs, please be specific about the racist fuckwads.

Many thanks :bgrin:
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I stopped reading this thread after these completely shitty posts...

Sooo sick of being a liberal republican and getting called racist by those that aren't a republican. Go fuck off with that bullshit.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I stopped reading this thread after these completely shitty posts...

Sooo sick of being a liberal republican and getting called racist by those that aren't a republican. Go fuck off with that bullshit.
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Sir, it's nothing to ....melt over.

Sheesh.
 
To rectify the issue with my oppressed conservative constituents, I took out the word 'Republicans' in all of my previous posts.
 
Fez Von Savage said:
Sir, it's nothing to ....melt over.

Sheesh.
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Dry as a bone. No sponge needed over here. I'm just saying i'm tired of it. People who continually run that narrative are also painting a picture to our ignorant youth. Stop that shit. Its wrong. Its not accurate.

Or would you be fine with me running around naming all Dems as fascist lazy fucks who want to sit on their ass and have hard working people do everything for them?

Get out of here with that bullshit. Two wrongs don't make a right, so I wont, but im tired of just reading this complete crap. Not just here but many places. It isn't funny. Its not comical.

Just stop with that BS.

Also, don't sir me. I've never been to England. ;)
 
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