Portland man wants studded tires banned

[porkchopexpress]

None of those things help when your vehicle is spinning aand sliding across oncoming traffic.

Grooves in the pavement actually prevent hydroplaning, not cause it. That's why ODOT purposely grooves pavement on parts of the highway and many bridges.

I'm guessing he meant the ruts that are in the lane caused by the studs/chains/normal wear and not the grooves that go across it.

 

[44Thrilla]

Stop using it where? Not back east, you know where it actually snows. It does ruin cars, but most people just make a habit of taking their car to get washed ever couple of weeks or so. I lived in upstate NY for the past four years I saw not one car with studded tires. And using chains was against the law, at least they were in city. People seemed to manage. You just drive under control and give yourself enough space between you and the next car.

This.

I was driving up to Maine in a Nor'easter a couple years back, and every car I saw off the road was a car that flew past me going way too fast moments before. I drive a RWD car with no snow tires, and I'm out driving during almost every storm. I just go slow and I never lose control, even for a second. What pisses me off is the dicks who will get behind me and ride my ass. I usually pull over to let them pass, then wave as I drive by the ditch they've fallen into.

 

[andalusian]

Modern studdless tires are so good (if you do not buy the cheap crappy stuff) - that generally it does not make much sense to purchase studded tires in a place like Oregon.

A set of Nokian Hakkapeliitta R is close to unstoppable, the same can be said about the latest version of the Blizzaks - I have had no problems going up and down the west hills in the snow and ice driving a RWD old BMW with a set of Blizzaks WS-60 (the new version is supposed to be even better) - the only problem was trying to slalom around the stuck SUVs...

Heck - for Portland weather a set of Nokian WRG2's is probably all you need - it provides excellent wet weather handling, long-mileage on dry roads and will get you almost anywhere in Portland even in the snow - both our Subarus have them as year-round tires - and we have never been stuck with them.

If you ever had experienced driving in real snow/ice regions - it is clear that Portland drivers are usually clueless about driving - studded snow-tires are really not that important imho.

 

[MARIS61]

Modern studdless tires are so good (if you do not buy the cheap crappy stuff) - that generally it does not make much sense to purchase studded tires in a place like Portland.

fixed.

Oregon has many different climatic regions, and in about half the state people's lives truly depend on studs.

For people living in Portland's mild, non-threatening environment to even have a vote in this would be preposterous.

 

[jlprk]

I'm assuming there were studded tires somewhere in this discussion?

We studs are important. Lose your spare tire.

 

[maxiep]

We get a lot more snow here than you guys do, and I've never even heard of studded tires.

You've also never heard of hills in RI. The highest point in your state is at the apex of the Newport Bridge.

 

[44Thrilla]

You've also never heard of hills in RI. The highest point in your state is at the apex of the Newport Bridge.

I spend much of the winter in Maine, in the white mountains.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

You've also never heard of hills in RI. The highest point in your state is at the apex of the Newport Bridge.

Highest point in VA is my penis.

 

[andalusian]

fixed.

Not really. In Portland, all you really need are a good set of all-weather (not all-season) tires like the WRG2. The vast majority of Oregon does not require studs as well..., definitely not half the population.

Oregon has many different climatic regions, and in about half the state people's lives truly depend on studs.

The state's population is 3.6m, Portland itself, without Vancouver has 2m, so even if every other person in Oregon needed studded tires it would not be half, add the fact that 70% of the Oregon population lives in the Willamete valley add the Oregon coast - and frankly, the vast majority of the state does not require anything other than good all-weather tires with chains.

For people living in Portland's mild, non-threatening environment to even have a vote in this would be preposterous.

For people that can not actually count would be as well.

 

[MARIS61]

Not really. In Portland, all you really need are a good set of all-weather (not all-season) tires like the WRG2. The vast majority of Oregon does not require studs as well..., definitely not half the population.

A large portion of people who live on the warm side of the Mts. travel over here for business or pleasure. Anyone in the valley who can't stay home from work during a silver thaw, very few women and seniors can put on chains...

The state's population is 3.6m, Portland itself, without Vancouver has 2m, so even if every other person in Oregon needed studded tires it would not be half, add the fact that 70% of the Oregon population lives in the Willamete valley add the Oregon coast - and frankly, the vast majority of the state does not require anything other than good all-weather tires with chains.

See above.

For people that can not actually count would be as well.

That makes 2 reasons you get no vote (see above).

Maybe people in Portland shouldn't be allowed to own cars at all. There's ample public transportation to handle all their legitamate transportation needs. Taking 2 million cars off the roads would save a lot more than banning aluminum studs.

 

[Eastoff]

I spend much of the winter in Maine, in the white mountains.

highest point in Maine, 5,267 feet.

highest point in Oregon, 11,239 feet

 

[Eastoff]

A large portion of people who live on the warm side of the Mts. travel over here for business or pleasure. Anyone in the valley who can't stay home from work during a silver thaw, very few women and seniors can put on chains...



See above.



That makes 2 reasons you get no vote (see above).

Maybe people in Portland shouldn't be allowed to own cars at all. There's ample public transportation to handle all their legitamate transportation needs. Taking 2 million cars off the roads would save a lot more than banning aluminum studs.

FYI 70% of the state's population lives in the valley.

 

[andalusian]

A large portion of people who live on the warm side of the Mts. travel over here for business or pleasure.

I travel there for pleasure as well, usually around the winter time, it is usually covered in snow when I am visiting and I never bothered with anything more than all-weather tires and chains in the trunk. Never had to put the chains when going to Bend, SunRiver or the like, even when there is snow around. I would argue that the vast majority of people that go there - even if it is more often than twice a year, are just fine with proper stud-less tires. Given that I did get to live on the east coast during proper snow blizzards - I stand by what I said, most Oregonians do not need studded tires if they actually had a clue how to drive in the snow. The snow in Oregon, including central Oregon - is not that bad.

Anyone in the valley who can't stay home from work during a silver thaw, very few women and seniors can put on chains...

For crying out loud, Portland has mighty hilly sections and I am telling you - there is no problem going up or down them with good stud-less tires during snow. I have done it repeatedly over Thompson road, up and down Skyline in a RWD early 90s BMW with Blizzaks - and it never lacked grip. You just had to be careful and pay attention - it it was no problem.

Of course, the same women and seniors would have to change the studded tires a lot more often as they do not last anywhere as long as stud-less tires - and deteriorate much faster...

Maybe people in Portland shouldn't be allowed to own cars at all. There's ample public transportation to handle all their legitamate transportation needs. Taking 2 million cars off the roads would save a lot more than banning aluminum studs.

So, the real Maris displays his spots. He is a Cityist...

 

[andalusian]

highest point in Maine, 5,267 feet.

highest point in Oregon, 11,239 feet

How many people ascend Mt. Hood with a car all the way to the top?

FWIW - the highest road on Mt. Hood is at 6920ft (Park Ridge) - the same elevation as Mt. Washington where people often drive to the top (New Hampshire, not Maine, to be honest, but all these states are so tiny it's about as far as Portland to Bend...).

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Heck - for Portland weather a set of Nokian WRG2's is probably all you need - it provides excellent wet weather handling, long-mileage on dry roads and will get you almost anywhere in Portland even in the snow - both our Subarus have them as year-round tires - and we have never been stuck with them.
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I'm looking at getting either the Nokian WRG2 SUV or the WR SUV for our Tahoe. Some friends/coworkers have these tires and say they are the best tire they've ever owned.

 

[andalusian]

I'm looking at getting either the Nokian WRG2 SUV or the WR SUV for our Tahoe. Some friends/coworkers have these tires and say they are the best tire they've ever owned.

We have 2 sets on our "daily drivers" - they will go through 99% of what you need in the Portland area - they are not as good a summer tire as dedicated summer tires (does not matter for a SUV) - they are not as good in the snow as dedicated snow tires - but overall for a daily driver - they are fantastic, long life, do not need chains or replacing the tires for most uses in the Portland area even in snow conidtion, pretty quiet - and absolutely the best wet weather traction of any tire I have sampled.

Would not get them for a sports car, would not get them to do mud, but for every day, year round use in our climate - can't think of a better tire. I love them.

One point however, I am talking about the car tires. I do not know anything about SUV tires.

 

[44Thrilla]

highest point in Maine, 5,267 feet.

highest point in Oregon, 11,239 feet

lol what is your point?

 

[44Thrilla]

How many people ascend Mt. Hood with a car all the way to the top?

FWIW - the highest road on Mt. Hood is at 6920ft (Park Ridge) - the same elevation as Mt. Washington where people often drive to the top (New Hampshire, not Maine, to be honest, but all these states are so tiny it's about as far as Portland to Bend...).

haha, I know (Mt. Washington is about 30 mins away from where I stay in Maine)....and I'm sure nobody attempts to climb it, or Mt.Hood, in a snow storm. I think anywhere there is a mountain range nearby, there are lots of hills and valleys to drive through, maybe the hills in Oregon are steeper and the valleys are lower and harder to climb because the highest point is higher? I doubt it.

 

[maxiep]

We have 2 sets on our "daily drivers" - they will go through 99% of what you need in the Portland area - they are not as good a summer tire as dedicated summer tires (does not matter for a SUV) - they are not as good in the snow as dedicated snow tires - but overall for a daily driver - they are fantastic, long life, do not need chains or replacing the tires for most uses in the Portland area even in snow conidtion, pretty quiet - and absolutely the best wet weather traction of any tire I have sampled.

Would not get them for a sports car, would not get them to do mud, but for every day, year round use in our climate - can't think of a better tire. I love them.

One point however, I am talking about the car tires. I do not know anything about SUV tires.

I wonder how a Volt does in the snow and ice?

 

[Natebishop3]

haha, I know (Mt. Washington is about 30 mins away from where I stay in Maine)....and I'm sure nobody attempts to climb it, or Mt.Hood, in a snow storm. I think anywhere there is a mountain range nearby, there are lots of hills and valleys to drive through, maybe the hills in Oregon are steeper and the valleys are lower and harder to climb because the highest point is higher? I doubt it.

People attempt to climb Mt. Hood in a snow storm all the time.... they just don't live to tell about it.

 

[MARIS61]

FYI 70% of the state's population lives in the valley.

...and travels over the passes in the snow to the nicer side of the state every chance they get.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

...and travels over the passes in the snow to the nicer side of the state every chance they get.

Oh sure, rub it in.

 

[MARIS61]

I travel there for pleasure as well, usually around the winter time, it is usually covered in snow when I am visiting and I never bothered with anything more than all-weather tires and chains in the trunk. Never had to put the chains when going to Bend, SunRiver or the like, even when there is snow around. I would argue that the vast majority of people that go there - even if it is more often than twice a year, are just fine with proper stud-less tires. Given that I did get to live on the east coast during proper snow blizzards - I stand by what I said, most Oregonians do not need studded tires if they actually had a clue how to drive in the snow. The snow in Oregon, including central Oregon - is not that bad.

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[BoBoBREWSKI]

I'm getting these for my Tahoe. Great all weather tires.

http://www.nokiantires.com/tyre?id=11952&group=2.02&name=Nokian+Vatiiva+A/T

 

[maxiep]

BTW, when on the Blazer main page, when this thread is at the top it reads "Portland man wants studded...". Did anyone else think the next word would be a body part? Nipples, ball sack, etc.?

 

[chris_in_pdx]

BTW, when on the Blazer main page, when this thread is at the top it reads "Portland man wants studded...". Did anyone else think the next word would be a body part? Nipples, ball sack, etc.?

Keep Portland Weird!

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Studs will not be banned in Portland as long as Sam Adams is Mayor.

 

[44Thrilla]

If studs were banned in Portland, HCP would have to move.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Doesn't most of Portland shut down anyway when theres icey conditions and most bosses are aware of their workers not getting to work?
If i remember correctly we only got 1 day of freezing rain this winter, and the year before 1 day of snow? Yes, the winter of 2008 was bad and shut down PDX airport and the max train.
But seriously, this isn't the midwest where they get colder temperatures.