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Then the ultimate goal is revenge?

Leadership must define what the end goal is. If winning the conflict, what constitutes winning? If ending the conflict is the goal,
what must happen to end the conflict.

Justice may not be involved at all. Elimination may be required at least partial elimination, as unjust as it may seem.
 
You're kidding right? If the republicans ran an ad with some Muslim in a Home Depot van chasing little white kids through the streets yelling "allah akbar" and ended it with "is this the hope Obama promised?" you'd be up in arms and rightfully so because it's a) fear mongering, b) offensive, and c) in extremely poor taste.
There is no correlation. Obama didn't try to ban Muslims from entering the country. Hate brings hate.
 
Leadership must define what the end goal is. If winning the conflict, what constitutes winning? If ending the conflict is the goal,
what must happen to end the conflict.

Justice may not be involved at all. Elimination may be required at least partial elimination, as unjust as it may seem.
>Interesting! We must find leadership in those that demonstrate these traits. They have the talent to envision and instill winning although conflicts within goals are present. To end conflict, revenge or forgiveness must occur.
 
To end conflict, revenge or forgiveness must occur.

There is nothing certain in forgiveness or revenge that will guarantee and end to conflict.
Conflict only ends when one side ceases hostility, enabling the other to also cease. Forgiveness may then be possible.
 
Disgraceful? Seems like the truth.
This is pretty much exactly what it's like in Indiana.

I was out painting my front deck last year and one of my neighbors rolled down the street a few times in his beat up pickup with a confed flag on it, honking when he passed by. He then parked his truck two houses down, and got out, waved his flag a few times, and got back in and left.

I had my headphones on and didn't pay him much attention. It's a straight scare tactic. Such bullshit because as an immigrant who grew up in OR, I think I understand what that flag means and represents better than the hicks who fly it here.
 
You're kidding right? If the republicans ran an ad with some Muslim in a Home Depot van chasing little white kids through the streets yelling "allah akbar" and ended it with "is this the hope Obama promised?" you'd be up in arms and rightfully so because it's a) fear mongering, b) offensive, and c) in extremely poor taste.

The pres has it covered. No need for repubs



Wait, I thought it was insensitive to bring up policy immediately after an attack?
 
6 dead and he rammed a childrens school bus.....fry this fucker in radioactive waste while sewn inside rotting hog carcasses...can't get to heaven smelling like pork

That's a shameful statement coming from you... You're better than that...

Or are you...

If you read the bible, Christians aren't supposed to eat Pork either.. (not to assume you're Christian). Eating pork is just as bad as homosexuality in the bible.

So muthfuckas need to use perspective and try not to inject little digs like that.

It's beneath you.

Leviticus 11:7-8King James Version (KJV)
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
 
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That's a shameful statement coming from you... You're better than that...

Or are you...

If you read the bible, Christians aren't supposed to eat Pork either.. (not to assume you're Christian). Eating pork is just as bad as homosexuality in the bible.

So muthfuckas need to use perspective and try not to inject little digs like that.

It's beneath you.

Leviticus 11:7-8King James Version (KJV)
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
No, that’s why Jews don’t eat pork :beatinto:
 
6 dead and he rammed a childrens school bus.....fry this fucker in radioactive waste while sewn inside rotting hog carcasses...can't get to heaven smelling like pork
The French gave us one good thing :cheers:
 
That's a shameful statement coming from you... You're better than that...

Or are you...
vent much dviss? ever get really pissed off at senseless murder? yeah.....I'm human and flawed...and against jihad attacks on innocents...if you're thinking I'm Christian.....I'm not....I'm anti murder .....this ain't about me.....I clearly said...nothin' pisses me off more than these assholes....I am better than this guy ramming a schoolbus....so are you....the can't get to heaven smelling like pork is a Frank Zappa quote...if my post offends you...his actions offended me enough to write the post
 
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vent much dviss? ever get really pissed off at senseless murder? yeah.....I'm human and flawed...and against jihad attacks on innocents...if you're thinking I'm Christian.....I'm not....I'm anti murder .....this ain't about me.....I clearly said...nothin' pisses me off more than these assholes....I am better than this guy ramming a schoolbus....so are you....the can't get to heaven smelling like pork is a Frank Zappa quote...if my post offends you...his actions offended me enough to write the post

I know you're not a christian, I'm just saying that whole pork thing has been attributed to Muslims when Christians (at least their book) says the same thing.

I know you were venting. I know you were pissed. I also know you're better than what you said.
 
vent much dviss? ever get really pissed off at senseless murder? yeah.....I'm human and flawed...and against jihad attacks on innocents...if you're thinking I'm Christian.....I'm not....I'm anti murder .....this ain't about me.....I clearly said...nothin' pisses me off more than these assholes....I am better than this guy ramming a schoolbus....so are you....the can't get to heaven smelling like pork is a Frank Zappa quote...if my post offends you...his actions offended me enough to write the post

And it's not that the post offends me. I'm in the First Class section on the fuck religion train. It's that it was only said because he's Muslim. It seems you needed some perspective there.

Kareem Abdul Jabbar doesn't eat pork either. Don't let the heinous actions of another make it so you quote racist songs by Frank Zappa...

A foolish young man
Of the Negro Persuasion
Devoted his life
To become a caucasian

He stopped eating pork
He stopped eating greens

He traded his dashiki
("Uhuru!")
For some Jordache Jeans

He learned to play golf
An' he got a good score
Now he says to himself
"I AIN'T NO NIGGER NO MORE . . . HEY! HEY! HEY!"
"I don't understand you . . . "
BWANA MA-COO-BAH
"Would you please speak more clearly . . . "
MERCEDES BAINNNNNNNZ
 
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you quote racist songs by Frank Zappa...
Frank was a satirist, not a racist...he always said, to be a social anthropologist, sometimes you put on the grass skirt and eat the bowl of worms...he equally skewed about every sub culture on the planet.....brilliant guy actually and definitely no racist. I think you're fishin' for an adversary here....if you don't like Zappa..that's fine....if you know his work, you'd know he was an atheist...all religions to Frank were fair game for satire.
 
Frank was a satirist, not a racist...he always said, to be a social anthropologist, sometimes you put on the grass skirt and eat the bowl of worms...he equally skewed about every sub culture on the planet.....brilliant guy actually and definitely no racist. I think you're fishin' for an adversary here....if you don't like Zappa..that's fine....if you know his work, you'd know he was an atheist...all religions to Frank were fair game for satire.

@HomerLovesKoolAid I think has jammed at Zappa's house. Or took part in some orgies. Or jammed during some orgies.
 
I knew someone who jammed with Zappa. I wonder if it is the same person.

Edit: nevermind the person I know that jammed at a Zappa orgy was a guitarist. Maybe he and @HomerLovesKoolAid crossed swords err streams err paths once?
 
Frank was a satirist, not a racist...he always said, to be a social anthropologist, sometimes you put on the grass skirt and eat the bowl of worms...he equally skewed about every sub culture on the planet.....brilliant guy actually and definitely no racist. I think you're fishin' for an adversary here....if you don't like Zappa..that's fine....if you know his work, you'd know he was an atheist...all religions to Frank were fair game for satire.

Frank Zappa basically says in those lyrics that to not be a N you have to stop doing stereotypical Black things...

But Frank Zappa aside, venting or not, you still said something beneath you in an effort to paint all Muslims when Christians aren't supposed to eat pork either. Had it been a Christian would you even have mentioned pork?

I think not.

And frank wasn't talking about not being Muslim, he was talking about not being black. Changing from black to white.
 
Frank Zappa basically says in those lyrics that to not be a N you have to stop doing stereotypical Black things...

But Frank Zappa aside, venting or not, you still said something beneath you in an effort to paint all Muslims when Christians aren't supposed to eat pork either. Had it been a Christian would you even have mentioned pork?

I think not.

And frank wasn't talking about not being Muslim, he was talking about not being black. Changing from black to white.
If it was a Jew he probably wouldve. Cause Jews aren’t supposed to eat pork. Learn something about the book you’re trying to spout off about.
 
That's not what Zappa is saying at all.

Please tell me what he's saying then. It seems pretty clear to me. He should've never said the N word but whatever...

The song is about people being inadvertently racist by imitating another race. In one verse, a white man wants to sing the blues, but he thinks he can only do this if he lives the lifetsyle - i.e looks, behaves and talks like an outdated stereotype of a black man. In the second verse, a black man who used to be a radical of some sort (hence the mention of a daishiki) is trying to insulate himself from racism by "becoming a caucasian", which means rejecting an arbitrary selection of black lifetsyle icons (i.e not eating pork and greens!) and mixing with the worst of white society (whilst playing golf).

Zappa is still saying these stereotypes are attributed to being black and being white and therefore perpetuating them.

Bottom line, my statement above has nothing to do with Frank Zappa. It has everything to do with attributing pork to Muslims when it can be attributed to Christians as well. Pork was only said because the terrorist was Muslim.

Let's not change the narrative.
 
Please tell me what he's saying then. It seems pretty clear to me. He should've never said the N word but whatever...

The song is about people being inadvertently racist by imitating another race. In one verse, a white man wants to sing the blues, but he thinks he can only do this if he lives the lifetsyle - i.e looks, behaves and talks like an outdated stereotype of a black man. In the second verse, a black man who used to be a radical of some sort (hence the mention of a daishiki) is trying to insulate himself from racism by "becoming a caucasian", which means rejecting an arbitrary selection of black lifetsyle icons (i.e not eating pork and greens!) and mixing with the worst of white society (whilst playing golf).

Zappa is still saying these stereotypes are attributed to being black and being white and therefore perpetuating them.

Bottom line, my statement above has nothing to do with Frank Zappa. It has everything to do with attributing pork to Muslims when it can be attributed to Christians as well. Pork was only said because the terrorist was Muslim.

The lyrics, which essentially tell the listener to be themselves and embrace their culture, tell the stories of two young men, both of whom Zappa describes as "foolish". The first man is from a middle class family who has a great life, but he pretends to come from a culture of hardship and sings the blues to be manly. Then the song refers to him as even trying to eat like someone going through hardship. He begins to talk like the character Kingfish, from the radio show Amos and Andy, who was known for being a heavily stereotypical black character. These themes overall relate to Zappa's dislike of poseurs. The second young man "of the negro persuasion, devoted his life to become a caucasian". Like the first man, he changes his diet to fit in with the culture he is looking to join. It goes over the stereotype of African Americans eating pork and collard greens. His story is a commentary on African Americans who are not proud of their heritage and feel following the Caucasian culture would bring them more acceptance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Are_What_You_Is_(song)
 

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