Trade Idea Post and Discuss Trade Ideas for the 2019-20 Season

[B-Roy]

Seems like another empty stats guy. I would say he's closer to Faried than Griffin. Think we have enough reclamation projects. I wanna stay away from career losers.

He's not just a points/rebound stuffer. I always look at assist percentages for big guys. His career assist % is 16% and it's 21% this year. That puts him closer to someone like Domantas Sabonis, who is also a 20/12/4 assist kind of player. Domas AST% is at 17.5% and for reference Nurk was 17.9% last year and we saw how his playmaking opened things up for the rest of the team. Same with Mason Plumlee before him. He may be better as a center, but his skillset is something that would mesh with Dame.

Basically, our best player is a pick and roll god, so to maximize his effectiveness we need a pick and roll threat who can pass and make plays out of the short roll, and Randle's skillset definitely fits that mold. I'm watching Dame play at an MVP level trying to run pick and rolls with Hassan Whiteside. He's destroying teams that are trapping him as well. I can't imagine how turned up our offense would be with someone who is actually a good pick and roll big. Could you imagine when we get Nurk back? Having one of Nurk or Randle on the floor at all times. Our offense would be unstoppable.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Knicks are about to scapegoat another coach after that failed roster construction. I'd keep an eye on that. They have a glut of forwards, and I love the idea of Ntilikina as our third/fourth guard.

Check out this bizarre PC with their Pres/GM. What was the point of this?

Steve Mills is like, hey I thought signing a team of just PF's would work, it's definitely Fizdale's fault lol...

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Seems like another empty stats guy. I would say he's closer to Faried than Griffin. Think we have enough reclamation projects. I wanna stay away from career losers.

Not sure how I feel about Randle, he's really not that old yet, but the Knicks absolutely get a big giant F for their off-season and it's mostly because they didn't even really attempt to build a team...

 

[illmatic99]

He's not just a points/rebound stuffer. I always look at assist percentages for big guys. His career assist % is 16% and it's 21% this year. That puts him closer to someone like Domantas Sabonis, who is also a 20/12/4 assist kind of player. Domas AST% is at 17.5% and for reference Nurk was 17.9% last year and we saw how his playmaking opened things up for the rest of the team. Same with Mason Plumlee before him. He may be better as a center, but his skillset is something that would mesh with Dame.

Basically, our best player is a pick and roll god, so to maximize his effectiveness we need a pick and roll threat who can pass and make plays out of the short roll, and Randle's skillset definitely fits that mold. I'm watching Dame play at an MVP level trying to run pick and rolls with Hassan Whiteside. I can't imagine how turned up our offense would be with someone who is actually a good pick and roll big. Could you imagine when we get Nurk back? Having one of Nurk or Randle on the floor at all times. Our offense would be unstoppable.

Interesting note about passing.

But doesn't it give you pause that two of his previous teams were perfectly fine letting him walk, and Knicks fans can't stand him already?

Knicks fans aren’t singing his praises at all(at least this one isn’t). Randle is TERRIBLE. Very much so a black hole offensively, thinks he’s a lot better than he is, and plays awful defense. He’s just not a winning player — doesn’t make winning, heads up plays, and he doesn’t hustle. Even if one was to look at him and say “oh, he’s just struggling,” it’s not a struggling thing, it’s a stylistic thing. Him getting his numbers is often at the cost of good team basketball(because his isolations involve him holding the ball for 2-3 seconds before going into a 5-6 second post-up where he’d rather die than pass the ball).

We see Hezonja come into our culture and struggle to break bad habits. Hassan, to an extent, is also struggling to make an impact even if his stats are where they always are. Tolliver does nothing to impact wins. Even Baze has developed a penchant for making blunders on defense and taking horrible shots. A team can only sustain so many of these guys without letting it affect the win-loss record negatively. Think we're saturated with them now. I'd rather take on an inferior talent who has won in the past and can do the little things needed to win now.

Here are Dame's comments about Hassan, for example:

“Him scoring and him rebounding is important, but what you do has to impact the game,” Lillard said. “So I think he has a point and you have a point. If he doesn’t score 15 points, that’s 15 less points we don’t have. And if he doesn’t get 15 rebounds, that’s 15 less rebounds. But at the same time, you want that kind of production to be impactful. What he is doing for us is meaningful, but we also have to get him to understand that the more things he does for us that are meaningful will really impact the team even more than just points and rebounds. He’s been good. And that’s the thing — he’s a really good dude, a good teammate, he don’t cause trouble. It’s literally about him understanding ‘What am I doing that’s really impacting winning?’ That’s what it is. His points and rebounds are big, but just continue to improve. We all can do stuff better, and for him right now, you just can’t throw too much at him all at once.”

And his comments about how to win after the BK game:


He has enough egos to manage without spending more time teaching guys how to win. Oddly enough, I think he desperately needs Pau to come back.

 

[illmatic99]

Just have to take a second to consider how blessed we are to have Dame as our team's leader.

Very few players in this league who can manage all the stuff he does, through adversity.

 

[B-Roy]

Interesting note about passing.

But doesn't it give you pause that two of his previous teams were perfectly fine letting him walk, and Knicks fans can't stand him already?



We see Hezonja come in to our culture and struggle to break bad habits. Hassan, to an extent, is also struggling to make an impact even if his stats are where they always are. Tolliver does nothing to impact wins. Even Baze has developed a penchant for making blunders on defense and taking horrible shots. A team can only sustain so many of these guys without letting it affect the win-loss record negatively. Think we're saturated with them now. I'd rather take on an inferior talent who has won in the past and can do the little things needed to win now.

Here are Dame's comments about Hassan, for example:

And his comments about how to win after the BK game:


He has enough egos to manage without spending more time teaching guys how to win. Oddly enough, I think he desperately needs Pau to come back.

I understand the concerns, but I think in the end talent wins out. You mention all the losers on our team right now. We're losing games because we're short on talent. Half the team is injured, including some of the best (Nurk) and some of the most important (Zach, Rodney).

The counter point I give is Zach Randolph. How many years did Randolph meander around the league before he became a "winner"? It wasn't until Memphis that the perception around him changed. It wasn't until Memphis that he started winning games. It wasn't until Memphis that he had enough talent to start winning.

Randle's not a star, but he's talented. We need that right now.

 

[illmatic99]

I understand the concerns, but I think in the end talent wins out. You mention all the losers on our team right now. We're losing games because we're short on talent. Half the team is injured, including some of the best (Nurk) and some of the most important (Zach, Rodney).

The counter point I give is Zach Randolph. How many years did Randolph meander around the league before he became a "winner"? It wasn't until Memphis that the perception around him changed. It wasn't until Memphis that he started winning games. It wasn't until Memphis that he had enough talent to start winning.

Randle's not a star, but he's talented. We need that right now.

Could happen, I suppose. What NY fans are saying about him now is verbatim what we used to say about ZBo.

 

[Cugel]

NYN are one f'd up organization. Boggles the mind. So clear that Fiz is on the way out from that "news" conference. Like it's his fault. The owner is a bona fide moron.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

CJ for Lauri Markkanen (+fillers)

 

[Scalma]

I believe the priority will be/should be be a power forward they can acquire without sacrificing a guy like Simons (you’re nuts if you think we’re gonna get a Blake Griffin without including Simons and/or Collins.) Something similar to trading for Hood last season.

Marvin Williams is on an expiring and has had his role reduced as Charlotte focuses on their younger players. He is a prime trade candidate much like Hood was last season. Spaces the court, defends, and brings experience.

Marvin and Biyombo for Whiteside (and a pick) would work financially.

 

[tester551]

I really think Jonathan Isaac would be a good fit.

Me too. Magic aren't trading him though....

 

[hoopsjock]

34 days until the flood gates open. Once most of the league is actually available to be traded I think there will be some teams that will be instant sellers. A lot can happen between now and then though.

 

[illmatic99]

I believe the priority will be/should be be a power forward they can acquire without sacrificing a guy like Simons (you’re nuts if you think we’re gonna get a Blake Griffin without including Simons and/or Collins.) Something similar to trading for Hood last season.

Marvin Williams is on an expiring and has had his role reduced as Charlotte focuses on their younger players. He is a prime trade candidate much like Hood was last season. Spaces the court, defends, and brings experience.

Marvin and Biyombo for Whiteside (and a pick) would work financially.

I really like that idea. Would also not cause any chemistry issues if/when Nurk and Zach return as these two can seamlessly go to the bench.

 

[B-Roy]

I believe the priority will be/should be be a power forward they can acquire without sacrificing a guy like Simons (you’re nuts if you think we’re gonna get a Blake Griffin without including Simons and/or Collins.) Something similar to trading for Hood last season.

Marvin Williams is on an expiring and has had his role reduced as Charlotte focuses on their younger players. He is a prime trade candidate much like Hood was last season. Spaces the court, defends, and brings experience.

Marvin and Biyombo for Whiteside (and a pick) would work financially.

I really like that idea. Would also not cause any chemistry issues if/when Nurk and Zach return as these two can seamlessly go to the bench.

You guys are okay with Biyombo as our starting center for 3 months? Oh boy if you think Whiteside is bad....

 

[Scalma]

You guys are okay with Biyombo as our starting center for 3 months? Oh boy if you think Whiteside is bad....

who suggested that? It would be done only after Nurk returned. Biyombo is just salary filler.

 

[tester551]

Knicks are about to scapegoat another coach after that failed roster construction. I'd keep an eye on that. They have a glut of forwards, and I love the idea of Ntilikina as our third/fourth guard.

Check out this bizarre PC with their Pres/GM. What was the point of this?

NYK have been one of my potential deal ideas.

I'd love to get Mitchell Robinson before the Knicks ruin his career. He'd be my #1 target to get. I also love the idea of Ntilikina.

Would Blazer fans be upset with a CJ trade that returned these two?

Maybe CJ + Tolliver for Robinson + Ntilikina + Randle (or Portis). I'd prefer Portis to Randle, but I think it would have to be Randle to make a legal trade.

Portland would get a stop gap PF for the rest of the next 2 years. But they'd also get some good young prospects - one of which I think can be a star (Mitchell).

 

[BigGameDamian]

CJ for Lauri Markkanen (+fillers)

Ya because getting another young up and coming but unproven player is going to help Dame win now!

 

[illmatic99]

You guys are okay with Biyombo as our starting center for 3 months? Oh boy if you think Whiteside is bad....

Hopefully not 3 months, but for about 10-15 games max. Is he that bad?

 

[B-Roy]

who suggested that? It would be done only after Nurk returned. Biyombo is just salary filler.

Under that premise you're waiting to make this trade at the deadline, but we need front court help now. We need 5 months of Marvin Williams, not 2. And you're assuming Nurk comes back as a good player, which I don't think you can count on for this season.

 

[B-Roy]

Hopefully not 3 months, but for about 10-15 games max. Is he that bad?

He's got Joel Przybilla hands.

 

[Scalma]

Under that premise you're waiting to make this trade at the deadline, but we need front court help now. We need 5 months of Marvin Williams, not 2. And you're assuming Nurk comes back as a good player, which I don't think you can count on for this season.

Teams don’t usually make trades in November. I’m not sure how desperate the front court situation is right now either, since I have no idea when Gasol is coming back, and Nurks ETA could be earlier than February. I’m not sensing the same urgency from the team as from the fans though, and they’re the ones that actually know what’s going on.

 

[tester551]

NYK have been one of my potential deal ideas.

I'd love to get Mitchell Robinson before the Knicks ruin his career. He'd be my #1 target to get. I also love the idea of Ntilikina.

Would Blazer fans be upset with a CJ trade that returned these two?

Maybe CJ + Tolliver for Robinson + Ntilikina + Randle (or Portis). I'd prefer Portis to Randle, but I think it would have to be Randle to make a legal trade.

Portland would get a stop gap PF for the rest of the next 2 years. But they'd also get some good young prospects - one of which I think can be a star (Mitchell).

I've been playing with this a bit more.

Is this fair?



Porter has a player option that he's most likely going to decline to be a FA next season. Portis and Gibson both have team options for next year.

Bulls get 4 second round picks for Porter without taking on any long-term salary.
Knicks get their "star" to build around.
Portland gets a legit SF, and a fill-in PF. They also get a budding star (Robinson) and a decent prospect (Ntilikina). This balances out Portland's roster significantly & makes them deadly if Nurk/Collins can return in time for the playoffs.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Ya because getting another young up and coming but unproven player is going to help Dame win now!

 

[Blazinaway]

Could happen, I suppose. What NY fans are saying about him now is verbatim what we used to say about ZBo.

My problem is his 19mil next yr, Simons emergence, which I think will continue, makes CJ expendable in a trade for a SF/PF at least in my view. I continue to like the idea of CJ to Orl for AG and small change/filler. AG has a much more favorable contract than CJ with declining money the 2 yrs after this (18 mil 20/21 and 16 mil 21/22 I believe)

 

[Blazinaway]

I've been playing with this a bit more.

Is this fair?

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Porter has a player option that he's most likely going to decline to be a FA next season. Portis and Gibson both have team options for next year.

Bulls get 4 second round picks for Porter without taking on any long-term salary.
Knicks get their "star" to build around.
Portland gets a legit SF, and a fill-in PF. They also get a budding star (Robinson) and a decent prospect (Ntilikina). This balances out Portland's roster significantly & makes them deadly if Nurk/Collins can return in time for the playoffs.

IMO Porter is overpaid and too injury prone, rather try to get AG from Orlando

 

[BonesJones]

AG is so overrated.

 

[Blazinaway]

AG is so overrated.

Both AG and Porter are over rated as is CJ, rather have the cheaper AG who plays D pretty well and can defend a few positions. Porter makes about 10 mil more than AG next yr and has a player option for 28 mil the season after, AG declines to 18 mil next yr and 16 mil after that - so 2 ys after this locked in at a "fair price"

 

[BonesJones]

Both AG and Porter are over rated as is CJ, rather have the cheaper AG who plays D pretty well and can defend a few positions. Porter makes about 10 mil more than AG next yr and has a player option for 28 mil the season after, AG declines to 18 mil next yr and 16 mil after that - so 2 ys after this locked in at a "fair price"

Porter isn't. He's regularly been a 40%+ 3pt shooter during his career and is a good defender. AG is a poor shooter who doesnt defend well.

 

[Scalma]

Around the 9 minute mark

“I’m a big fan of Bogdanovic.”

Keep that quote in mind. With Hield locked up and Bagley and Fox due to get paid in the next year or two, Bogdanovic could be the odd man out. He’d be a perfect fit in Portland.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

He's been playing elite defense since he was given consistent minutes.

It's safe to say that Frank Ntilikina has played himself out of attainability.