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GhostOfPGA said:
Trying to find a spot for Whiteside in a trade is tough. Stylistically the teams that most want Whiteside are Boston and Houston as they both have a pretty glaring need for interior rim protection and rebounding.

But what will they part with to match the salary?

Boston has two options; Hayward (that would require us to send filler), or a package of Smart, Kanter, and others.

Houston essentially would have to put up Capela and Tucker, would they? Idk.
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Dallas has a need at center, an owner who is willing to spend, and a plethora of reasonable long term deals + expirings to match.
 
B-Roy said:
Dallas has a need at center, an owner who is willing to spend, and a plethora of reasonable long term deals + expirings to match.
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Something like Lee, Kleber, and Brunson would be interesting.

Kleber being the big acquisition. Really like his ability to stretch the floor.
 
B-Roy said:
Dallas has a need at center, an owner who is willing to spend, and a plethora of reasonable long term deals + expirings to match.
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Lee is their only expiring deal. I'd imagine Dallas would trade Lee for Ariza in a heartbeat, but that's not a good trade for Portland

Cuban has done an excellent job of managing his payroll
 
wizenheimer said:
Lee is their only expiring deal. I'd imagine Dallas would trade Lee for Ariza in a heartbeat, but that's not a good trade for Portland

Cuban has done an excellent job of managing his payroll
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Lee + Powell for Whiteside + Hezonja.

Lee + any of their rotation guys for Whiteside + Hezonja.
 
B-Roy said:
Lee + Powell for Whiteside + Hezonja.

Lee + any of their rotation guys for Whiteside + Hezonja.
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why would Dallas do any of those trades without the Blazers adding some significant incentive?
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Trying to find a spot for Whiteside in a trade is tough. Stylistically the teams that most want Whiteside are Boston and Houston as they both have a pretty glaring need for interior rim protection and rebounding.

But what will they part with to match the salary?

Boston has two options; Hayward (that would require us to send filler), or a package of Smart, Kanter, and others.

Houston essentially would have to put up Capela and Tucker, would they? Idk.
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Man what are you talking about? Houston isn't giving up Capela for Hassan. Adding PJ to this deal? Yes if we give up our first round pick they might consider it but i still think they ll hang up the phone.
 
wizenheimer said:
why would Dallas do any of those trades without the Blazers adding some significant incentive?
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Because they value Whiteside and his bird rights as a player? They actually have a need for a rim protecting center and Whiteside is a better player than Powell who's minutes he would just slide into. I've seen Mavs fans propose similar trades on other sites. Whether the Mavs would actually do it or not, who knows, but the value isn't that off.
 
If ducking the tax is the primary objective:

1) Need to find a team that wants Whiteside or values his expiring over contracts with remaining years and would be willing to do what Sacramento did where they add salary this year but it's offset by not paying guys next year.

2) Dallas is the key like @B-Roy said, but unless they really value Whiteside it might be difficult to trade directly with them. What would be more likely is finding a player that fits into their TPE on another team that they'd want for free or for 2nd round picks. In a direct trade with Dallas the problem is roster spots for Portland so they'd almost have to be willing to take on Hezonja and Swanigan in addition to whatever they gave up for him.

Something like Whiteside to Chicago, Young to Portland, and Satoransky to Dallas. Gets the Blazers WAY below the tax.
 
hoopsjock said:
If ducking the tax is the primary objective:

1) Need to find a team that wants Whiteside or values his expiring over contracts with remaining years and would be willing to do what Sacramento did where they add salary this year but it's offset by not paying guys next year.

2) Dallas is the key like @B-Roy said, but unless they really value Whiteside it might be difficult to trade directly with them. What would be more likely is finding a player that fits into their TPE on another team that they'd want for free or for 2nd round picks. In a direct trade with Dallas the problem is roster spots for Portland so they'd almost have to be willing to take on Hezonja and Swanigan in addition to whatever they gave up for him.

Something like Whiteside to Chicago, Young to Portland, and Satoransky to Dallas. Gets the Blazers WAY below the tax.
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Dallas can trade Lee+Powell for Whiteside, it works. They can then take on Hezonja with their TPE. Or the Blazers can waive Caleb or Wenyen. There isn't a roster spot issue. They can also take Rodney Hood and get the Blazers under the tax line. I'm not sure if the Blazers would do that. Presumably they still value Hood some, and I don't know if Dallas wants to take dead weight going into next season. But given the history of guys coming back from achilles injuries, I'd feel bad but not terrible if the Blazers let him go.

Not sure why Chicago would want Whiteside though.
 
B-Roy said:
Dallas can trade Lee+Powell for Whiteside, it works. They can then take on Hezonja with their TPE. Or the Blazers can waive Caleb or Wenyen. There isn't a roster spot issue. They can also take Rodney Hood and get the Blazers under the tax line. I'm not sure if the Blazers would do that. Presumably they still value Hood some, and I don't know if Dallas wants to take dead weight going into next season. But given the history of guys coming back from achilles injuries, I'd feel bad but not terrible if the Blazers let him go.

Not sure why Chicago would want Whiteside though.
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See I think Powell fits Dallas better than Whiteside would so I don't see them making that trade. They really like Powell and just locked him up on a good deal. Hood has a no trade clause and took less money to stay in Portland. He's not going anywhere.

Chicago wouldn't want Whiteside, they'd want his expiring deal (like I said in my post) to get out of two contracts they signed this past off season for multiple years that aren't having a positive impact on them winning this year.
 
B-Roy said:
Dallas can trade Lee+Powell for Whiteside, it works. They can then take on Hezonja with their TPE. Or the Blazers can waive Caleb or Wenyen. There isn't a roster spot issue. They can also take Rodney Hood and get the Blazers under the tax line. I'm not sure if the Blazers would do that. Presumably they still value Hood some, and I don't know if Dallas wants to take dead weight going into next season. But given the history of guys coming back from achilles injuries, I'd feel bad but not terrible if the Blazers let him go.

Not sure why Chicago would want Whiteside though.
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Noooo chance that Culture Neil(™️) trades an injured guy, who took less to stay, away.
 
hoopsjock said:
See I think Powell fits Dallas better than Whiteside would so I don't see them making that trade. They really like Powell and just locked him up on a good deal. Hood has a no trade clause and took less money to stay in Portland. He's not going anywhere.

Chicago wouldn't want Whiteside, they'd want his expiring deal (like I said in my post) to get out of two contracts they signed this past off season for multiple years that aren't having a positive impact on them winning this year.
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Dallas runs pretty much the same system Portland does, it’s why the Blazers always send guys to the Texas Legends. Whiteside would be a significant upgrade for them, and Doncic is an elite passer, so he would get Whiteside easier looks than here in Portland, specifically lobs.
 
hoopsjock said:
See I think Powell fits Dallas better than Whiteside would so I don't see them making that trade. They really like Powell and just locked him up on a good deal. Hood has a no trade clause and took less money to stay in Portland. He's not going anywhere.

Chicago wouldn't want Whiteside, they'd want his expiring deal (like I said in my post) to get out of two contracts they signed this past off season for multiple years that aren't having a positive impact on them winning this year.
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I think Whiteside is a pretty seamless fit in Dallas. A lot of his struggles offensively would be mitigated by having a playmaker like Doncic. He'd basically get the same looks Powell got. Maybe he's not as good offensively, but he makes up for it defensively and with his rebounding.
 
I figured out why my number for ducking the tax was off by $1.25 million. Every calculation I made I was getting that we were still $7.3 million over the tax while others were reporting it was down to $6.3 million. Nurk's bonuses were earned last year so this year they were deemed "likely" to be earned. Since he hasn't played he won't earn his bonus this year so they are preemptively removing his $1.25 million bonus. Next year we will have the opposite problem as his contract will go back to being "unlikely" to earn the bonus but if he does we'd owe more than his contract is shown.

To duck the tax completely we'd have to take back less than 20,788,876 in a trade for just Whiteside or add to that whatever other salaries are included (like Hezonja).
 
Scalma said:
Dallas runs pretty much the same system Portland does, it’s why the Blazers always send guys to the Texas Legends. Whiteside would be a significant upgrade for them, and Doncic is an elite passer, so he would get Whiteside easier looks than here in Portland, specifically lobs.
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B-Roy said:
I think Whiteside is a pretty seamless fit in Dallas. A lot of his struggles offensively would be mitigated by having a playmaker like Doncic. He'd basically get the same looks Powell got. Maybe he's not as good offensively, but he makes up for it defensively and with his rebounding.
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I really hope you guys are right but if I had to guess I don't think Whiteside has that much trade value.

Edit: I mean as a player despite his skillset, as a contract it still have value.
 
Scalma said:
Yeah but it wouldn’t make as much sense if they were actually throwing in the towel this season.
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you can throw in the towel and still make logical moves. This is a logical move. A minimum salary level trade exception has little value. A 2.6M DPE has more

I really don't expect much more activity from Portland but I would expect Olshey to stay with his M.O., which is to hang around the periphery of bigger trade discussions and look for low cost scraps with a possible upside
 
Does anybody see a realistic deal that would let us move up in the draft - say into the top 5?
 
Well, looks like Powell just blew his Achilles out. Maybe he’s a blazer after all.
 
First team Whiteside met with the last time he was a free agent?

Dallas.

Just sayin.
 
Scalma said:
Well, looks like Powell just blew his Achilles out. Maybe he’s a blazer after all.
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Just saw this and thought we could make the Powell deal. Then read about Powell.

Lmao.
 
Scalma said:
Well, looks like Powell just blew his Achilles out. Maybe he’s a blazer after all.
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Yeah, Dallas may have just found themselves in a much more desperate position.

Would you (or anyone else) take Tim Hardaway Jr for Whiteside? Would the Mavs do that? They'd have to send a contract out to another team but it would be just enough to get us under the tax. We could probably get them to take Hezonja back too so that we could sign or trade for another big without going back over the tax line.
 
hoopsjock said:
Yeah, Dallas may have just found themselves in a much more desperate position.

Would you (or anyone else) take Tim Hardaway Jr for Whiteside? Would the Mavs do that? They'd have to send a contract out to another team but it would be just enough to get us under the tax. We could probably get them to take Hezonja back too so that we could sign or trade for another big without going back over the tax line.
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No on hardaway. I’d want Wright (and I guess Lee for matching purposes)
 
hoopsjock said:
Yeah, Dallas may have just found themselves in a much more desperate position.

Would you (or anyone else) take Tim Hardaway Jr for Whiteside? Would the Mavs do that? They'd have to send a contract out to another team but it would be just enough to get us under the tax. We could probably get them to take Hezonja back too so that we could sign or trade for another big without going back over the tax line.
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Also, if the Mavs still had Courtney Lee they could send him and the GS 2nd round pick they have for 2020 for Iggy. So basically they'd trade Hardaway/Lee/Filler/GS 2020 2nd for Whiteside and Iggy.
 
Scalma said:
No on hardaway. I’d want Wright (and I guess Lee for matching purposes)
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Maybe Chicago would be dumb enough to take Hardaway. So Blazers would get Porter, Mavs get Whiteside, and Bulls get Hardaway/filler?

Edit: Mavs could then take on Felicio with their TPE to incentivize Chicago to do this.
 
hoopsjock said:
Also, if the Mavs still had Courtney Lee they could send him and the GS 2nd round pick they have for 2020 for Iggy. So basically they'd trade Hardaway/Lee/Filler/GS 2020 2nd for Whiteside and Iggy.
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honestly I’d probably ask for one of their seconds in a Whiteside deal.
 
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