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Pot Vote: Legalizing Marijuana Could Be On 2010 Ballot

A measure to legalize marijuana in California has enough signatures to qualify for the November 2010 ballot, advocates say.

The Tax and Regulate Initiative has far more than the nearly 434,000 signatures needed to make the statewide ballot, said Richard Lee, well-known Oakland medical marijuana entrepreneur and the initiative's main backer. Campaign organizers say they will submit more than 650,000 signatures of registered voters next month.

"People were eager to sign," Lee told the Chronicle. "We heard they were ripping the petitions out of people's hands to do it.

"We'll keep our organizers on the street to keep the momentum going strong, but today we're declaring an overwhelming victory."

The proposal would legalize possession of up to one ounce of marijuana for adults 21 and older. Residents could cultivate marijuana gardens up to 25 square feet. City and county governments would determine whether to permit and tax marijuana sales within their boundaries.

County election officials across the state now must validate and count the signatures before the California Secretary of State puts the measure on the ballot .

Lee's group has collected more than 680,000 signatures, about 57% more than the number needed. That should be plenty -- as a rule of thumb, about 30% of signatures on petitions can be expected to be invalidated, according to Steve Smith, a political consultant who has run many California initiative campaigns.

"I'd be very surprised if they don't qualify," Smith told the Los Angeles Times.

A Field Poll conducted in April found that 56 percent of California residents supported legalizing and taxing marijuana to help bridge the state budget deficit. Still, pro-legalization advocates are divided over whether the ballot measure is being pushed too soon.

Marijuana is illegal under federal law. But some legal scholars have argued the U.S. government could do little to make California enforce the federal ban if the drug became legal under state law.

Oakland is ground zero for marijuana legalization in the U.S. It became the first city in the country to pass a cannabis tax during a special election in July. The city is expected generate nearly $300,000 a year from taxes on medical cannabis clubs. Other California cities considering taxing medical marijuana are San Jose, Berkeley, Santa Cruz, Sacramento and Los Angeles.

Lee owns a handful of Oakland businesses, including Coffeeshop Blue Sky and the famed Oaksterdam University, where students can enroll in classes for "entering the budding cannabis job field." Lee's company has spent $1.1 million on the effort already, and expects a full campaign to cost between $7 million and $20 million.

"Medical marijuana in California has been accepted as legalization in some ways by a lot of the population," Lee told the Times. "To me this is codifying what is happening."
 
Someday its going to be legal everywhere, the right choices have been made already, especially with Obama loosening the leash on Feds cracking down on medical grows.
 
Time to legalize it country wide in small amounts. Do it similar to Amsterdam. It actually lowered the usage of harder drugs there, such as heroin, coke and meth.
 
Anyone watch the show Pawn Stars? It was interesting this guy brought in a bottle of whiskey from the prohibition days to pawn. On the bottle there was a label that said "For medicinal use only." Doctors would prescribe their patients a note for them to buy alcohol. It was a loophole similar to what people use now to get Marijuana with their marijuana prescription cards.

They should pass the law to legalize it and just treat it the same as laws we have for alcohol consumption.
 
Please let this happen. If it does, Road Trip to California!:ghoti:

Every year the state and federal governments blow millions of dollars trying to enforce drug laws on pot, and incarcerate people they have busted, and pay for their keeping them in jail, while often times, violent offenders go free becaue of lack of bunk space in the prisons.

If weed was legalized, not only would they reap the economic rewards of no longer having to pay for all of that, but they could tax the marijuana and regulate it, for additional income.

Now here is the kicker. You know all those violent drug gangs in Mexico that have been killing each other across the border and now here in the states? We would be taking away one of their 2 avenues of income, and taking away one of the things they fight over. Gangs in Mexico often times kidnap family members and then force their other family members to sneak into the USA to grow Marijuana crops out in the wild somewhere. By legalizing and taking the money out of this, this would stop the practice.

Law enforcement could then focus on the real problem, Methamphetamine. They could also use the addtional funding for drug education which is a much better tool for them to use.

Once legalized, a whole new industry is spawned. Jobs are now legal, so now the government can tax the workers who work the industry. They also spend money on advertising, health care for their workers, and transportation of their product. This is a win/win situation.

Last year in Humboldt county alone the federal government spent over 10 billion dollars doing drug enforcement on Marijuana. Don't you think we could have spent that 10 billions dollars in a lot more useful way?
 
The Libertarian in me believes we should legalize and tax the hell out of marijuana to ensure that the social costs of consuming the drug are paid for by the user. However, having seen the affects of long-term pot use, I think it's a terrible idea. Yes, one can make the argument that alcohol is worse, but there are lots of drugs better for you than alcohol; that doesn't mean we should legalize all of them.
 
The Libertarian in me believes we should legalize and tax the hell out of marijuana to ensure that the social costs of consuming the drug are paid for by the user. However, having seen the affects of long-term pot use, I think it's a terrible idea. Yes, one can make the argument that alcohol is worse, but there are lots of drugs better for you than alcohol; that doesn't mean we should legalize all of them.

The effects of long term pot use? What do you consider long term pot use?

More often than not, I have found that the people who have "problems" with using pot, are losers to begin with, and the problem is actually deeper than the drug. If they weren't having problems with weed, they would find a way to make something else in their life a problem. Like down at the local bar playing video poker. That destroys a lot more lives than weed does.

History shows that prohibition does not work. Learn from history.
 
The effects of long term pot use? What do you consider long term pot use?

More often than not, I have found that the people who have "problems" with using pot, are losers to begin with, and the problem is actually deeper than the drug. If they weren't having problems with weed, they would find a way to make something else in their life a problem. Like down at the local bar playing video poker. That destroys a lot more lives than weed does.

History shows that prohibition does not work. Learn from history.

Yep, you and I are going to agree to disagree.
 
Let's say 20+ years of daily use.

If a person abuses it then I'd agree, but smoking a daily joint isn't going to have any long term effects. There's drugs pharmacy companies push that have far worse long and short term side effects.

It's practically legal already in California. There's over 1000 canibus shops in LA alone.

What the law enforcement needs to spend more resources is on is human trafficking.
 
that's quite a leap.

What long term effects do you refer to?
 
Great. Then we should legalize heroin.
Okay, if that's the case. We should make water illegal?

Of course we know that there are some drugs that are detrimental to ones health with immediate action. Cocaine and heroin are highly addictive, and there is a high chance of over-dosing. It can ruin ones health both physically and mentally.

You cannot become chemically addicted to marijuana (mental addiction can happen with anything), there have been 0 deaths directly related to marijuana in human history, there is absolutely no proof that marijuana causes cancer or any other disease, there is proof that marijuana can help people with cerebal palsy, chronic headaches/migraines, etc, marijuana doesn't make people lazy, in fact I know people who become more driven when they smoke. There is no proof that marijuana is a stepping stone towards harder drugs. People who smoke are usually introduced to the harder drugs through their drug dealers or word of mouth, you smoke and joint and think, I think I want to try heroin now. Marijuana is extremely natural assuming you don't buy from someone sketchy. Grow a plant, let it mature, cut the buds, dry it out, trim the stems, roll up a joint.

The only negatives I get from marijuana are: low confidence, munchies (hardy a bad thing), CRAZY HEARTBEAT, and cottonmouth...

That being said, I rarely smoke nowadays.
 
that's quite a leap.

What long term effects do you refer to?

Cancer. Any manner of psychosis. Emotional addiction. Anti-social behavior.

I think this--again--is one of those cases where I'm going to have to agree to disagree with most on this board. Many people here clearly enjoy pot and wish their activities were legalized. I happen to disagree with that potential development.
 
Okay, if that's the case. We should make water illegal?

You don't need pot or heroin to live. But nice try, anyway.

Of course we know that there are some drugs that are detrimental to ones health with immediate action. Cocaine and heroin are highly addictive, and there is a high chance of over-dosing. It can ruin ones health both physically and mentally.

You cannot become chemically addicted to marijuana (mental addiction can happen with anything), there have been 0 deaths directly related to marijuana in human history, there is absolutely no proof that marijuana causes cancer or any other disease, there is proof that marijuana can help people with cerebal palsy, chronic headaches/migraines, etc, marijuana doesn't make people lazy, in fact I know people who become more driven when they smoke. There is no proof that marijuana is a stepping stone towards harder drugs. People who smoke are usually introduced to the harder drugs through their drug dealers or word of mouth, you smoke and joint and think, I think I want to try heroin now. Marijuana is extremely natural assuming you don't buy from someone sketchy. Grow a plant, let it mature, cut the buds, dry it out, trim the stems, roll up a joint.

The only negatives I get from marijuana are: low confidence, munchies (hardy a bad thing), CRAZY HEARTBEAT, and cottonmouth...

That being said, I rarely smoke nowadays.

I'm just an advocate of not slipping any further down a slippery slope. I understand most in here disagree. Like I said, my personal philosophy contridicts my political position.
 
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If so, it will destroy this country. ;)

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Please let this happen. If it does, Road Trip to California!:ghoti:

Every year the state and federal governments blow millions of dollars trying to enforce drug laws on pot, and incarcerate people they have busted, and pay for their keeping them in jail, while often times, violent offenders go free becaue of lack of bunk space in the prisons.

If weed was legalized, not only would they reap the economic rewards of no longer having to pay for all of that, but they could tax the marijuana and regulate it, for additional income.

Now here is the kicker. You know all those violent drug gangs in Mexico that have been killing each other across the border and now here in the states? We would be taking away one of their 2 avenues of income, and taking away one of the things they fight over. Gangs in Mexico often times kidnap family members and then force their other family members to sneak into the USA to grow Marijuana crops out in the wild somewhere. By legalizing and taking the money out of this, this would stop the practice.

Law enforcement could then focus on the real problem, Methamphetamine. They could also use the addtional funding for drug education which is a much better tool for them to use.

Once legalized, a whole new industry is spawned. Jobs are now legal, so now the government can tax the workers who work the industry. They also spend money on advertising, health care for their workers, and transportation of their product. This is a win/win situation.

Last year in Humboldt county alone the federal government spent over 10 billion dollars doing drug enforcement on Marijuana. Don't you think we could have spent that 10 billions dollars in a lot more useful way?

Somebody has been watching MSNBC :devilwink:
 
Purely hypothetical...

maxiep.....If only one could be legal and you had to base it on which would be least harmful to society which would you pick, booze or weed?
 
Purely hypothetical...

maxiep.....If only one could be legal and you had to base it on which would be least harmful to society which would you pick, booze or weed?

In terms of effects on society, if I had to choose, I'd choose Marijuana. But anyone can make booze from what you can purchase at a grocery store, where getting marijuana seeds is tougher. Hence, if one is going to be legal and the other illegal, marijuana is the easier drug to control.

Also, since alcohol is already legal, I see no reason to expand the number of drugs available to the American people.
 
Yes, one can make the argument that alcohol is worse, but there are lots of drugs better for you than alcohol; that doesn't mean we should legalize all of them.

So do you think alcohol should be outlawed? Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that prohibition of alcohol could work as "well" as prohibition of marijuana (up to opinion how well prohibition of marijuana works). Do you feel that the social costs of alcohol also outweigh the benefits of greater freedoms? If not, why not?

For the record, I don't do marijuana and rarely drink (not due to moralistic reasons in either case). I just find this an interesting issue.
 
In terms of effects on society, if I had to choose, I'd choose Marijuana. But anyone can make booze from what you can purchase at a grocery store, where getting marijuana seeds is tougher. Hence, if one is going to be legal and the other illegal, marijuana is the easier drug to control.

I don't see much evidence it is being successfully controlled. It might be easier to control, but apparently it isn't easy enough. As far as I can see, anyone who wants pot can get it.

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I think this--again--is one of those cases where I'm going to have to agree to disagree with most on this board. Many people here clearly enjoy pot and wish their activities were legalized. I happen to disagree with that potential development.

I rarely smoke, but I can see how you would assume that.
 
I assure you Libertarians think it should be legal.

For at least 40 years of my life, I've believed that drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc., are medical problems and not legal ones. If the government spent the money on ads, like they did with tobacco, the harder more dangerous drugs would see less use.

I have smoked pot, but not in many years. I have no beef with people who do, it's their life to live.

There are a lot of myths about pot that make it seem harmless - it is harmful. Side effects off the top of my head: sterility, stupidity, and it most certainly can cause cancer. These aren't reasons to make it illegal.

Victimless crimes should have no penalty.
 

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