Pot Vote: Legalizing Marijuana Could Be On 2010 Ballot

[maxiep]

the rest of your opinions are fall into the category of the severely misinformed***

Thank you for your opinion. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Haakzilla]

Thank you for your opinion.

...so far, it is fact until I read otherwise

 

[maxiep]

...so far, it is fact until I read otherwise

Thank you for your opinion on what you consider a fact.

 

[MickZagger]

Yep. It's the stepping stone idea of drug use. Every single cocaine and heroin user I know started smoking pot first. They liked getting high, so they tried other drugs. It's a gateway.

Its a gateway drug because its so obtainable and people try it at an early age. I think there's probably very few people on this earth that jump into snorting coke before they ever smoked pot. Just because you like the feeling of being stoned doesn't mean you long for some crystal meth so you can tweak out for 5 days with no sleep.

I think your opinions on weed are based on your lack of experience with the reefer. I'd way rather wake up from a night of smoking pot then a night of excessive drinking. I've never heard of a person getting in their car and running someone down and killing them while they were stoned.

 

[maxiep]

Its a gateway drug because its so obtainable and people try it at an early age. I think there's probably very few people on this earth that jump into snorting coke before they ever smoked pot. Just because you like the feeling of being stoned doesn't mean you long for some crystal meth so you can tweak out for 5 days with no sleep.

I think your opinions on weed are based on your lack of experience with the reefer. I'd way rather wake up from a night of smoking pot then a night of excessive drinking. I've never heard of a person getting in their car and running someone down and killing them while they were stoned.

What makes you think I have no experience with pot?

 

[barfo]

What makes you think I have no experience with pot?

Your posts in this thread?

barfo

 

[maxiep]

Your posts in this thread?

barfo

Nice try. Give it another shot.

 

[RR7]

Your posts in this thread?

barfo

I'll second this. I suppose at this point, the agreeing to disagree is best. I'm not intending to be mean, or make a personal attack towards you, but I feel like generally, you come across as very well educated on a wide range of topics. It always seems like you've done your homework, gathered information on stuff, etc. before talking about it. Whether I disagree or not, you at least sound like you know what you're talking about. With this, that's not the case. You come across as completely ignorant of the subject, and sound like someone who has been sheltered from drugs, and are getting most of your information from sound bites and bullet points, without choosing to research that information on your own.

 

[maxiep]

I'll second this. I suppose at this point, the agreeing to disagree is best. I'm not intending to be mean, or make a personal attack towards you, but I feel like generally, you come across as very well educated on a wide range of topics. It always seems like you've done your homework, gathered information on stuff, etc. before talking about it. Whether I disagree or not, you at least sound like you know what you're talking about. With this, that's not the case. You come across as completely ignorant of the subject, and sound like someone who has been sheltered from drugs, and are getting most of your information from sound bites and bullet points, without choosing to research that information on your own.

Let's just say I'm a taller version of Alex P. Keaton, which is to say my childhood resembled a Cheech & Chong movie.

As for agreeing to disagree, it's what I've been advocating all along.

 

[Haakzilla]

Thank you for your opinion on what you consider a fact.

...medical studies & research, expert accounts, professional testimonials, personal experiences, and common sense are just a few examples of what I consider to be FACT(S) [those facts were stated as such, not my "opinion"...your opinions, however, have yet to state anything with any validity whatsoever ]

 

[maxiep]

...medical studies & research, expert accounts, professional testimonials, personal experiences, and common sense are just a few examples of what I consider to be FACT(S) [those facts were stated as such, not my "opinion"...your opinions, however, have yet to state anything with any validity whatsoever ]

We'll agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decriminalization_of_non-medical_cannabis_in_the_United_States

Research shows that the actual “gateway” is the illegal drug market. The World Health Organization noted that any gateway effect associated with marijuana use may actually be due to marijuana prohibition because “exposure to other drugs when purchasing cannabis on the black-market increases the opportunity to use other illicit drugs.” A study comparing experienced marijuana users in Amsterdam, where adults can purchase small amounts of marijuana from regulated businesses, with similarly experienced marijuana users in San Francisco, where non-medical possession and sale of marijuana remains completely illegal, bolstered this hypothesis: The San Francisco marijuana users were twice as likely to use crack cocaine as their Dutch counterparts, more than twice as likely to use amphetamines, and five times as likely to be current users of opiates. If anything, regulating marijuana will reduce hard drug use.

I've already stated that point.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

There will simply be too many offenders to adequately punish those impaired drivers or people that sell to minors.

Um, they seem to be doing a good job with alcohol. /sarcasm

And the criminal element would move onto other drugs as people got a taste for them.

I can't believe how ignorant you are towards marijuana when you seem to be so educated in other subjects. It's not like you smoke weed and then get an urge to try painkillers, then cocaine, then heroin...

People with fucked up personalities go on to abuse and become dependent on marijuana. I know a friend who has wasted his life to marijuana because of his depression. His mother died when he was a Freshman and all he does is smoke day-in, day-out. He will be the type of person to go on to the harder drugs (I hate to say it).

 

[Colonel Ronan]

I can smoke everyday if I wanted to, and I would still wake up and go to work. I would still feed myself (more so). I would still look after my hygiene. I would still socialize and go to parties. I would still get some putang. It would not effect my day-to-day activities in the least.

 

[Haakzilla]

We'll agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

...except you've provided nothing that can be agreed upon

 

[maxiep]

Um, they seem to be doing a good job with alcohol. /sarcasm

I'm glad we agree. Why add another drug to the mix?

I can't believe how ignorant you are towards marijuana when you seem to be so educated in other subjects. It's not like you smoke weed and then get an urge to try painkillers, then cocaine, then heroin...

You rarely see people start off with meth or heroin. Usually people who abuse start with pot. I don't see how my post is ignorant. People start experimenting--usually with pot--and if they like drugs, they'll continue to experiment with ever harder drugs.

People with fucked up personalities go on to abuse and become dependent on marijuana. I know a friend who has wasted his life to marijuana because of his depression. His mother died when he was a Freshman and all he does is smoke day-in, day-out. He will be the type of person to go on to the harder drugs (I hate to say it).

Again we agree on this point. Why allow those people to access it legally? Why not make it more difficult for them to waste their lives.

It seems you and I are in full agreement.

 

[maxiep]

I can smoke everyday if I wanted to, and I would still wake up and go to work. I would still feed myself (more so). I would still look after my hygiene. I would still socialize and go to parties. I would still get some putang. It would not effect my day-to-day activities in the least.

You say that now, but you're still a teenager. Most can do what you stated, but will you fully function? Or will you need a hit to get you through the afternoon, or a social engagement, etc. In other words, there are highly functioning drunks, just as there are highly functioning potheads. But why expand that last group?

 

[maxiep]

...except you've provided nothing that can be agreed upon

Sure I have; you just don't agree with it. Therefore, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[Denny Crane]

We'll have to agree to disagree, maxiep.

Prohibition didn't work the first time it was tried.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

I'm glad we agree. Why add another drug to the mix?



You rarely see people start off with meth or heroin. Usually people who abuse start with pot. I don't see how my post is ignorant. People start experimenting--usually with pot--and if they like drugs, they'll continue to experiment with ever harder drugs.



Again we agree on this point. Why allow those people to access it legally? Why not make it more difficult for them to waste their lives.

It seems you and I are in full agreement.

I guess I do.

 

[barfo]

We'll have to agree to disagree, maxiep.

Prohibition didn't work the first time it was tried.

Denny, we are going to have to agree to agree on this.

barfo

 

[maxiep]

We'll have to agree to disagree, maxiep.

Prohibition didn't work the first time it was tried.

And like I said, prohibition of alcohol will never work. How on earth can you outlaw something that is made by fermenting everyday ingredients? I'm not calling for the prohibition of alcohol; I just don't believe marijuana should be legalized.

 

[Haakzilla]

Sure I have; you just don't agree with it. Therefore, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

...drink up!!!

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34465839/ns/us_news-weird_news/

Beer-buzzed boy, 4, wanted to visit jailed dad

Mom says he got drunk, stole girl's dress because he 'wants to go to jail'

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. - Tennessee investigators say a 4-year-old boy was found roaming his neighborhood in the night, drinking beer and wearing a little girl's dress taken from under a neighbor's Christmas tree.

The child's mother, 21-year-old April Wright, told WTVC-TV that the boy "wants to go to jail because that's where his daddy is."

Wright said she and the boy's father are going though a divorce.

The boy, found outside his house in Chattanooga on Tuesday, was taken to a hospital and treated for alcohol consumption.

Hamilton County Sheriff's Departmentspokeswoman Janice Atkinson said the incident is being investigated but the department declined to release the report.

The boy's mother said she met with child protective services and was told she will get to keep custody of her son.

 

[Haakzilla]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34465839/ns/us_news-weird_news/

Beer-buzzed boy, 4, wanted to visit jailed dad

Mom says he got drunk, stole girl's dress because he 'wants to go to jail'

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. - Tennessee investigators say a 4-year-old boy was found roaming his neighborhood in the night, drinking beer and wearing a little girl's dress taken from under a neighbor's Christmas tree.

The child's mother, 21-year-old April Wright, told WTVC-TV that the boy "wants to go to jail because that's where his daddy is."

Wright said she and the boy's father are going though a divorce.

The boy, found outside his house in Chattanooga on Tuesday, was taken to a hospital and treated for alcohol consumption.

Hamilton County Sheriff's Departmentspokeswoman Janice Atkinson said the incident is being investigated but the department declined to release the report.

The boy's mother said she met with child protective services and was told she will get to keep custody of her son.

...had the boy been "stoned", he may never have made it out of the house

 

[Haakzilla]

 

[maxiep]

LOL! There's a logo that's a few years too late!

Repped!

 

[Haakzilla]

LOL! There's a logo that's a few years too late!

Repped!

...I am just trying to disagree to agree [or vice versa]

 

[BenDavis503]

The Libertarian in me believes we should legalize and tax the hell out of marijuana to ensure that the social costs of consuming the drug are paid for by the user. However, having seen the affects of long-term pot use, I think it's a terrible idea. Yes, one can make the argument that alcohol is worse, but there are lots of drugs better for you than alcohol; that doesn't mean we should legalize all of them.

What are the long term affects? I am curious. I have been smoking for about 18 years now. Haven't really noticed any affects.

The effects of long term pot use? What do you consider long term pot use?

More often than not, I have found that the people who have "problems" with using pot, are losers to begin with, and the problem is actually deeper than the drug. If they weren't having problems with weed, they would find a way to make something else in their life a problem. Like down at the local bar playing video poker. That destroys a lot more lives than weed does.

History shows that prohibition does not work. Learn from history.

I agree with this. Anyone who has a "pot problem" - the problem is not the weed.

Let's say 20+ years of daily use.

I am almost there. Still, no terrible side affects. I work out, I play sports, I am active, thin, eat well, can run for miles. I have a good job. I consider myself pretty smart (when it comes to computers, that is my trade).

Cancer. Any manner of psychosis. Emotional addiction. Anti-social behavior.

I think this--again--is one of those cases where I'm going to have to agree to disagree with most on this board. Many people here clearly enjoy pot and wish their activities were legalized. I happen to disagree with that potential development.

It's not the weed that gives you cancer, it's the smoke going in your lungs. It's not the nicotine that kills, it's the smoke! It's not the THC, it's the smoke!

Emotional addiction I can agree with. When I am having a bad day or I get pissed, I often cannot WAIT for a nice bong hit. Knowing I have a bong hit at home waiting for me can make my day 100% better.

Anti-Social behavior, I can almost agree with. I know plenty of smokers who are VERY social. me being one of them. But I don't think the weed makes you anti-social. I think if you are like that, you are just like that. Weed or not.

Weed doesn't change you lol just makes you laugh and eat.

 

[oldguy]

The government has been beating the reefer madness drum since the 50's. Does anyone else find it strange that, if pot was as bad as the government wants you to believe, there aren't plenty of studies proving that it's bad?

There aren't studies because the results would prove that the government has been lying for 60 years, imo. It's criminal that they classify weed in the same category with cocaine and heroin.

As far as a gateway drug goes....everyone I know that smokes/smoked pot started out drinking alcohol.

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