Potential Moda Center Upgrade Renderings (1 Viewer)

[Phatguysrule]

maybe this should go in the other thread, but are the city, county, and state going to embark on this 600M plan on spec? By that I mean will they secure a guarantee from Dundon and the Blazers that this will keep the team in Portland for the duration of the bond issue?

I wouldn't support any funding unless that exact guarantee were made.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Some of us NEVER stopped calling it that!

 

[Strenuus]

Some of us NEVER stopped calling it that!

Cheers, brother!

 

[barfo]

If they want it to be successful, it should be in the shape of a giant pirate ship. Anything else is a waste of money.

barfo

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Where's our friends who sleep outdoors?

Good question--havent seen @Dougnsalem around here in a while....

 

[1 Eye Jack]

On top of more restaurants I would love to see the outside have more covered area. Be nice to go enjoy pregame with maybe food trucks out front. Make it a destination people want to go besides for Blazers games.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

On top of more restaurants I would love to see the outside have more covered area. Be nice to go enjoy pregame with maybe food trucks out front. Make it a destination people want to go besides for Blazers games.

Yeah, heard some talk of somebody eventually buying the PPS buildings north.

I'd love for them to tear down MC, as well as some of the other outdated stuff in the area and make it a great highlight feature of Portland. Make it a destination even if there is no game or event.

 

[AldoTrapani]

maybe this should go in the other thread, but are the city, county, and state going to embark on this 600M plan on spec? By that I mean will they secure a guarantee from Dundon and the Blazers that this will keep the team in Portland for the duration of the bond issue?

the nba doesn’t move teams anymore. If we pass a $600M funding bill it’s guaranteed blazers are staying. It’s essentially ensured it will pass by all accounts.

 

[AldoTrapani]

Yeah, heard some talk of somebody eventually buying the PPS buildings north.

I'd love for them to tear down MC, as well as some of the other outdated stuff in the area and make it a great highlight feature of Portland. Make it a destination even if there is no game or event.

Albina vision group is buying it thru Phil knights gift.

 

[julius]

Albina vision group is buying it thru Phil knights gift.

I believe they have the right of first refusal or something, if the Blanchard site ever goes up for sale.

 

[blazerfan11]

Yeah, heard some talk of somebody eventually buying the PPS buildings north.

I'd love for them to tear down MC, as well as some of the other outdated stuff in the area and make it a great highlight feature of Portland. Make it a destination even if there is no game or event.

There's a lot of potential if something is done right.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You know those inflatable slides that planes have when they crash? Moda needs those for the 300 level when the games are over. Fun and fast!

 

[blazerfan11]

You know those inflatable slides that planes have when they crash? Moda needs those for the 300 level when the games are over. Fun and fast!

Something like this could work too.

 

[THE HCP]

If they want it to be successful, it should be in the shape of a giant pirate ship. Anything else is a waste of money.

barfo

Sitting here in Minneapolis right now and you can see the Vikings stadium out my hotel room window. It looks like a damn Viking ship…..very cool place!

 

[BlazerWookee]

How long until the naming rights contract with Moda ends?

 

[julius]

Just saw on twitter someone from the "Greater Idaho" twitter account said that Eastern Oregon is more important than the Blazers.

Besides it's weird to compare a region to a franchise, it reminded me of that whole "we want to join Idaho!" idiots out there. So I did some digging around and looked up stuff. Multnomah County *alone* has a bigger population than Wasco, Jefferson, Deschutes, Kalamath, Lake, Crook, Wheeler, Sherman, Gilliam, Morrow, Umatilla, Grant, Harney, Malheur, Baker, Union, Walllowa and Hood RIver....combined.

So then I looked into their GPD's per county (as of 2019; https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/97bdd0f2868845308746332222f500e8).

Multnomah County was 72 billion (it was over 90 as of 2024). Clackamas was 22 (29 in 2024) and Washington was 51 (finding their more current GDP was harder, but lets assume it also went up).

The 18 counties I listed above? A combined 28 billion in GDP.

The financial impact of the Blazers (considering it's a down time for the team) is about 700 million. That means their impact on the region is bigger than 7 of those counties GDP.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

How long until the naming rights contract with Moda ends?

Yeah I don't like the name. Unfortunately we're not getting the Rose Garden back - it'll just be some other corporate sponsor.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How long until the naming rights contract with Moda ends?

I thought it was a 10-year deal when it was agreed to in 2013... But that would have been up in 2023... I haven't heard anything else about it since.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

How long until the naming rights contract with Moda ends?

It ends after the 2029-30 season.

Yeah I don't like the name. Unfortunately we're not getting the Rose Garden back - it'll just be some other corporate sponsor.

Facts. Naming rights on an arena is too much money to walk away from for almost all sports teams/owners.
I think Madison Square Garden is the only NBA arena that doesn't have a corporate naming rights partner. It's pretty obvious why that one has stayed as is.

 

[julius]

They could call it the "Los Angles Lakers own the Trail Blazers Arena" for all I care, as long as the team stays in Portland/metro area.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I thought it was a 10-year deal when it was agreed to in 2013... But that would have been up in 2023... I haven't heard anything else about it since.

That's what I thought, too.

I wonder who is responsible for extending that contract...

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's what I thought, too.

I wonder who is responsible for extending that contract...

Good question, now that it is owned by the city... I wonder if the city could vote to get it changed back?

Or put changing it back into the legislation to fund the remodel.

 

[julius]

Seems like being upset about the name of the building should be much lower on the list of things people are upset about right now.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Seems like being upset about the name of the building should be much lower on the list of things people are upset about right now.

It is part of the same anxiety as the bigger things we should be upset about: losing what connects the team to the city. The naming rights thing is merely an indignity, but it is part of the same humiliating ordeal of having to perform our love for the team enough for our new owner to deign to keep the team in our city. It’s absolutely soul-destroying, having this bullshit capitalist dick-waving ego battle be what decides whether a significant part of our cultural identity as a city just fucking disappears.

 

[Strenuus]

Seems like being upset about the name of the building should be much lower on the list of things people are upset about right now.

There is more important things absolutely.

But any name other than the rose garden is fucking stupid.

Its not up for discussion. Both things can and are true.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Seems like being upset about the name of the building should be much lower on the list of things people are upset about right now.

It's been on the list for a long, long, time.

Just sayin'.

 

[wizenheimer]

Just saw on twitter someone from the "Greater Idaho" twitter account said that Eastern Oregon is more important than the Blazers.

Besides it's weird to compare a region to a franchise, it reminded me of that whole "we want to join Idaho!" idiots out there. So I did some digging around and looked up stuff. Multnomah County *alone* has a bigger population than Wasco, Jefferson, Deschutes, Kalamath, Lake, Crook, Wheeler, Sherman, Gilliam, Morrow, Umatilla, Grant, Harney, Malheur, Baker, Union, Walllowa and Hood RIver....combined.

So then I looked into their GPD's per county (as of 2019; https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/97bdd0f2868845308746332222f500e8).

Multnomah County was 72 billion (it was over 90 as of 2024). Clackamas was 22 (29 in 2024) and Washington was 51 (finding their more current GDP was harder, but lets assume it also went up).

The 18 counties I listed above? A combined 28 billion in GDP.

The financial impact of the Blazers (considering it's a down time for the team) is about 700 million. That means their impact on the region is bigger than 7 of those counties GDP.

then let Multnomah and Clackamas counties and their combined 94B in GDP foot the bill for the renovation. OH! and maybe the Dundon Group should contribute to this proposal a lot more than the 0 dollars they have committed thus far. Anyway, over the 20 year life of the bonding, that combined GDP would be well over 1 trillion dollars after accounting for inflation, if your numbers are correct. Compared to that, 600M is about half of 1/10th of 1%. They can afford it

and of course, those 2 counties and the city are going to be the ones that benefit from the economic impact of the Blazers. People in Medford won't benefit; nor will people in Bend, Klamath Falls, Coos Bay, Brookings, Vale, and LaGrande. But those people are paying for the renovation because the majority of the money is coming out of the general fund that every taxpayer in the state contributes too

 

[julius]

then let Multnomah and Clackamas counties and their combined 94B in GDP foot the bill for the renovation. OH! and maybe the Dundon Group should contribute to this proposal a lot more than the 0 dollars they have committed thus far. Anyway, over the 20 year life of the bonding, that combined GDP would be well over 1 trillion dollars after accounting for inflation, if your numbers are correct. Compared to that, 600M is about half of 1/10th of 1%. They can afford it

and of course, those 2 counties and the city are going to be the ones that benefit from the economic impact of the Blazers. People in Medford won't benefit; nor will people in Bend, Klamath Falls, Coos Bay, Brookings, Vale, and LaGrande. But those people are paying for the renovation because the majority of the money is coming out of the general fund that every taxpayer in the state contributes too

Most of the funds for the state is from Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas counties.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Saying that Bend, K Falls, etc don't benefit from the Moda Center is insane. The general fund helps them, correct? The economics of what the Moda Center adds to the state puts $ in the general fund.

 

[BBert]

Individuals pay the tax, not counties. The individuals in the parts of the state that don't benefit at all from the economic and cultural impacts of the Blazers don't want to pay to entertain a bunch of city slickers. Maybe folks who live more than 2 or 3 hours away could be exempt in order to get the votes needed.