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Rastapopoulos said:
It's all relative - how terrible must he have been that he was playing alongside Covington, who had +33.

The Afflalo vibes off Powell are getting stronger. Here's hoping we make the playoffs so we can see if "Playoff Powell" is a thing before he leaves us in free agency.
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Except Norm was having an excellent season in Toronto. So is it Norm or is it our shit team?
 
Natebishop3 said:
This team has failed Norman Powell. Not the other way around.
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The first person on the team that failed Norm was Olshey because Olshey put him on the team with Dame and CJ in Stotts' system. So yeah, I would love it if we totally overhauled our team starting with the GM, then the coach and definitely move CJ in the process. If we do all of that before free agency then I would love it if we could convince Powell to come back to be Dame's off guard in the starting back court.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This team has failed Norman Powell. Not the other way around.
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I'm sorry but this just made me snort with laughter. You should write romance novels.

Natebishop3 said:
Except Norm was having an excellent season in Toronto. So is it Norm or is it our shit team?
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Maybe it's our shit GM? Or maybe it's that Powell's limitations are showing up more here? Or maybe it's that he wasn't actually that excellent? His defensive numbers were mediocre already, and he can't dribble or pass for shit, so...?

I still think he's a step up from Gary, although not from the Gary of the Bubble. I also think he's better than he's shown recently, but I think it would be a lot worse to overpay him and keep him than just to let him go. And those people who say he's better than CJ just hate CJ unreasonably. There's a reason Toronto traded him so they wouldn't have to overpay him themselves.
 
Another disappointing thing about him is his anemic rebounding. Yes he's a guard playing at SF, but so what? Rebounding is effort - as Doncic and Westbrook could tell you.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm sorry but this just made me snort with laughter. You should write romance novels.


Maybe it's our shit GM? Or maybe it's that Powell's limitations are showing up more here? Or maybe it's that he wasn't actually that excellent? His defensive numbers were mediocre already, and he can't dribble or pass for shit, so...?

I still think he's a step up from Gary, although not from the Gary of the Bubble. I also think he's better than he's shown recently, but I think it would be a lot worse to overpay him and keep him than just to let him go. And those people who say he's better than CJ just hate CJ unreasonably. There's a reason Toronto traded him so they wouldn't have to overpay him themselves.
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LOL.... oh Rasta..... maybe just maybe it's because we have a dude who's.... what... .6'4? playing small forward?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I also think he's better than he's shown recently, but I think it would be a lot worse to overpay him and keep him than just to let him go. And those people who say he's better than CJ just hate CJ unreasonably. There's a reason Toronto traded him so they wouldn't have to overpay him themselves.
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So what is a reasonable price to pay Norm? $19M-$20M/yr ?

I don't think I've seen anyone who says he's significantly better than CJ, and therefore we ought to trade CJ....
Most of us acknowledge that CJ is a slightly better player - however that difference is not significant. They are both close to the same tier of player.

When you compare their career PER/100 numbers
- CJ takes a LOT more shots overall
- CJ is a slightly better 3pnt shooter
- Norm is more efficient & gets to the line more frequently
- Norm is a better rebounded (slightly)
- CJ gets more assists
- CJ is better at avoiding turnovers (slightly)

The big thing for me is Norm is a much better defender. We'd go from abysmal (CJ) to slightly above average (Norm).

My take is that Norm at $20M/yr is much better fit and long-term plan than continuing with CJ at $31M/yr.
 
Saw an article today that said Thibs is very interested in getting Powell in the off-season.

If I’m Powell, unless there are significant changes in Portland, coach at minimum, I’m gone.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
Saw an article today that said Thibs is very interested in getting Powell in the off-season.

If I’m Powell, unless there are significant changes in Portland, coach at minimum, I’m gone.
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If I'm Powell I'd worry about playing better before anything else.
 
tester551 said:
I don't think I've seen anyone who says he's significantly better than CJ, and therefore we ought to trade CJ....
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??? You don't read many threads on here, then.

tester551 said:
Most of us acknowledge that CJ is a slightly better player - however that difference is not significant. They are both close to the same tier of player.

When you compare their career PER/100 numbers
- CJ takes a LOT more shots overall
- CJ is a slightly better 3pnt shooter
- Norm is more efficient & gets to the line more frequently
- Norm is a better rebounded (slightly)
- CJ gets more assists
- CJ is better at avoiding turnovers (slightly)

The big thing for me is Norm is a much better defender.

We'd go from abysmal (CJ) to slightly above average (Norm).

My take is that Norm at $20M/yr is much better fit and long-term plan than continuing with CJ at $31M/yr.
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I really wish I could see evidence of this great D that Powell is supposed to supply. Granted: Powell gets to the line a lot more, and that's valuable. But his handle is bad for a guard and in general his court awareness seems poor. He's like a SF in a PG's body, only with pretty crappy rebounding.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
There's a reason Toronto traded him so they wouldn't have to overpay him themselves.
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They traded him, so they wouldn't have to overpay him, in order to overpay a guy you said was worse than he is. That really doesn't make much sense.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
Saw an article today that said Thibs is very interested in getting Powell in the off-season.

If I’m Powell, unless there are significant changes in Portland, coach at minimum, I’m gone.
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Damn Shame we didn't get Thibs in the off-season
 
What I like about Powell is he pushes the ball up the court not letting the defense set. Dame, CJ and Ant all make sure they are the last one across the half court line giving the defense a chance to get back and set up. I wish those three would take a page out of Powell's book and start pushing the pace and getting more easy baskets. Would help preventing teams from Trapping Dame.
 
Chances are
twobullz said:
What I like about Powell is he pushes the ball up the court not letting the defense set. Dame, CJ and Ant all make sure they are the last one across the half court line giving the defense a chance to get back and set up. I wish those three would take a page out of Powell's book and start pushing the pace and getting more easy baskets. Would help preventing teams from Trapping Dame.
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Right on...Thats how Ja beat us at home twice too he pushed the ball. I noticed last game that Powell and CJ both pushed the ball up court.
 
twobullz said:
What I like about Powell is he pushes the ball up the court not letting the defense set. Dame, CJ and Ant all make sure they are the last one across the half court line giving the defense a chance to get back and set up. I wish those three would take a page out of Powell's book and start pushing the pace and getting more easy baskets. Would help preventing teams from Trapping Dame.
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Stotts hasn't had long enough to reverse Powell's previously coach-learned BBIQ.

That's one reason I always preferred trades, and criticized Let It Bake GMs. Inserting new blood is like hiring the new player's previous coaches onto the staff. It takes time for our bad coach to reverse the player's good habits.
 
Has Powell contributed to our improved defense? “More and more I’ve gotten comfortable in talking to the guys on what I see defensively throughout the game. Telling the guys to pull over or be in the gaps, and different ways we can help with rotations and things like that,” Powell said. “I think guys have an open ear..."
“We went through a little stretch losing four or five games in a row, but every team has to go through that at some point in the season to really find yourself,” Powell said. “I think after that, we’ve been able to put together multiple games of high-level basketball, top to bottom offensively, defensively, playing together, communicating, helping one another and staying with it through he ebbs and flows of the game, going through tough stretches.”
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...-drive-can-help-fuel-blazers-championship-run
 
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