Power Forward of the Future

[PtldPlatypus]

Vonleh looks like he is slowing down a bit, so that's good. In reality, Layman might be a good fit with Nurkic....as a tryout, anyway

That's a really fascinating thought. I've never thought of Layman as anything else but a 3, but perhaps he would be effective as a stretch 4. Seems to me that he would be a bit too light to be effective in that role, that he would get pushed around by other teams' bigs, but his predraft measurements are comparable in size to guys like Ersan Ilyasova and Thaddeus Young, so...maybe?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I think I was thinking of this one:
http://bkref.com/tiny/XEQN8

30th in the league overall in TRB%

Being the 30th best rebounder, when you're a starting PF, is hardly elite.'

Sort that same list by TS% and Vonleh is dead last and by a huge amount (.463, second worst is .495).

Sort it by PER, again Vonleh dead last at 8.3, second worst is 13.3.

He is easily the worst starting PF in the league.

BNM

 

[Reep]

It's a shame Ivan Rabb will probably be as big a project as Vonleh is, he's friends with Lillard and was his neighbor. The dude would be perfect and probably around for our first pick.

We probably need someone that can help quicker than he can with that pick though, maybe we'll get lucky and he'll drop to our second pick.

He is a sophomore, and his numbers show more skill than a project. It isn't inconceivable (yes, I know what that means) that Rabb could get up to speed in a year or two--in time for the real window.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Being the 30th best rebounder, when you're a starting PF, is hardly elite.'

Sort that same list by TS% and Vonleh is dead last and by a huge amount (.463, second worst is .495).

Sort it by PER, again Vonleh dead last at 8.3, second worst is 13.3.

He is easily the worst starting PF in the league.

BNM

I didn't say elite PF in the NBA. I said very good rebounder. That list has Centers on it too. Which of course you would expect to do well (and they are well represented). I saying that Vonleh shows up at all is a miracle and something good (when nothing else is).

 

[KeepOnRollin]

That's a really fascinating thought. I've never thought of Layman as anything else but a 3, but perhaps he would be effective as a stretch 4. Seems to me that he would be a bit too light to be effective in that role, that he would get pushed around by other teams' bigs, but his predraft measurements are comparable in size to guys like Ersan Ilyasova and Thaddeus Young, so...maybe?

If we aren't happy with Aminu as our stretch 4 long-term then why would we be with Layman? Because we assume he will be able to shoot at some point I guess?

 

[Boob-No-More]

He is top 30 in the nba. Maybe not elite but closer than most.

Maybe I am wrong but that rookie year would have been in such limited minutes that it would not qualify for award status (if there was such an award for the top 30 in the nba) This years would.

I not saying he improved in my response. I saying he has one skill (which may not be enough. Not pretending it is) that is very good. Maybe something to build off of. Or not. Time will tell.

I've always said Vonleh is an above average rebounder, but he sucks so incredibly bad at everything else, having him on the court is a huge net negative (-11.2 PTS/48, that's twice as bad as Meyers).

BNM

 

[BigGameDamian]

Andre Drummond....It will be revisited!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If we aren't happy with Aminu as our stretch 4 long-term then why would we be with Layman? Because we assume he will be able to shoot at some point I guess?

That would be the primary difference. And honestly, Aminu hasn't played the past 2 games, so we have yet to see Aminu and Nurkic on the floor together. Who knows, maybe they mesh seamlessly and we already have the PF we need.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I didn't say elite PF. I said very good rebounder.

You didn't. Someone else did. He's not.

I saying that Vonleh shows up at all is a miracle and something good (when nothing else is).

That's the problem, he's abysmal at everything else and has not shown any improvement in his (many) areas of weakness. When you suck as bad as Noah does at everything else, there is nowhere to go but up, yet he hasn't.

Does anyone here actually think Noah Vonleh is the answer to our problems at PF? I sure don't. He seems to be more like the problem than the solution.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

And @Boob-No-More I was the one that agreed that Favors is a good target so not like I am banking on Vonleh. He should not be starting at all. I am fine with him doing it this season though when there really isn't much to be worried about.

 

[Denny Crane]

In what ways? To me, he still looks like exactly the same player that was thrust into the starting line up early in his second season. He's started 72 games since, and still looks like the same player to me. He looked decent in summer league and dominated the PHO teenagers in one preseason game, but I've yet to see him show any improvement against real NBA players.

He's started 72 games for us at PF and has ZERO double:doubles and has scored in double figures exactly five times, with his high scoring game as a Blazer being 11 points. For as much shit as Meyers Leonard gets around here, at least he manages to pull a double:double out of his ass a couple times a year and goes off for 16 points a couple times a month.

Vonleh's best game as a pro was 16/12 as a rookie in CHO. He hasn't come close to that since. So yeah, I'm not seeing the improvement. I wish I was, but it's just not there. He's still young, but we used to say that about Meyers, too.

BNM

He looks to me like a decent enough defensive big who can hit the 3 on occasion.

I wouldn't give up on him too soon.

Remember this guy?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Andre Drummond....It will be revisited!

Read the title of the thread. Andre Drummond is not a PF.

BNM

 

[Pinwheel1]

He is a sophomore, and his numbers show more skill than a project. It isn't inconceivable (yes, I know what that means) that Rabb could get up to speed in a year or two--in time for the real window.

Yeah Rabb definitely has not lived up to the hype. But I would take him in the mid teens....if Leaf was gone.

 

[Chris Craig]

Meyers Leonard.

I just vomited

 

[Boob-No-More]

He looks to me like a decent enough defensive big who can hit the 3 on occasion.

I wouldn't give up on him too soon.

Remember this guy?

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Yeah, I remember that guy. He was buried behind Sabas, Sheed and BGrant. Vonleh has played significantly more minutes and started 72 games. He's had plenty of chances to show what he can do. He's not some diamond in the rough buried deep on the bench behind better players. And, even though he wasn't a starter and played fewer minutes, is his second season at the age of 19, Jermaine had two double:doubles and scored more than 11 points 5 times. He showed way more potential at 19 than Vonlleh has shown at 21.

BNM

 

[tlongII]

I still say we give Meyers a shot. Nurk does what Meyers does not do. So play them together.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Noah Vonleh: PER = 8.3
Meyers Leonard: PER = 8.3

These are NOT the Power Forward of the Future, if your goal is to win.

BNM

 

[Pinwheel1]

I still say we give Meyers a shot. Nurk does what Meyers does not do. So play them together.

The thing is if he playing the stretch 4, then we might as well put Layman in there instead. At least against teams that use a stretch 4. Jake can cover the perimeter. Not fair to expect Meyers to run around the perimeter. Get Jake some minutes.

 

[Natebishop3]

I still say we give Meyers a shot. Nurk does what Meyers does not do. So play them together.

He was a disaster at power forward. He can't defend other fours.

 

[tester551]

Caleb Swanigan?

Yes please!

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Yes please!

I am on board with one of our later two picks. Doesn't seem all that agile though. Would need a good stretch 4 to complement him. We probably have at least one of those

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yes please!

Right now he is projected to go 26th and Leaf at 23rd.
Hope that holds true: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

 

[Mediocre Man]

That's a really fascinating thought. I've never thought of Layman as anything else but a 3, but perhaps he would be effective as a stretch 4. Seems to me that he would be a bit too light to be effective in that role, that he would get pushed around by other teams' bigs, but his predraft measurements are comparable in size to guys like Ersan Ilyasova and Thaddeus Young, so...maybe?

Not a ton of POWER forwards in today's game. Ya, just a thought. High bball iq also

 

[Boob-No-More]

The thing is if he playing the stretch 4, then we might as well put Layman in there instead. At least against teams that use a stretch 4. Jake can cover the perimeter. Not fair to expect Meyers to run around the perimeter. Get Jake some minutes.

OMG no! Seriously, Layman didn't even play PF in college and now he's going to start at PF in the NBA. The guy has an 8'6" standing reach. I'm 6'4" and have a standing reach of 8'5" and I don't even have long arms.

Thad Young - standing reach = 8'10"
Ersan Ilyasova - Standing reach = 9'1.5"

Not even fucking close.

The guy had ONE lights out shooting night in 8 minutes of garbage time back on November 1, has sucked absolute ass ever since and people act like he's the second coming of Larry Bird.

Well, congratulations you happened to find the ONE player on our roster with a lower PER than Noah Vonleh and Meyers Leonard.

BNM

 

[Chris Craig]

Right now he is projected to go 26th and Leaf at 23rd.
Hope that holds true: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

We could get both...damn

 

[Chris Craig]

Right now he is projected to go 26th and Leaf at 23rd.
Hope that holds true: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

I think leaf will go lower in the mid teens

 

[Natebishop3]

We were in the middle of a power forward Renaissance when we had LMA. Guys like Bosh, Dirk, ZBO, and then older guys like Garnett and Webber. But right now there just aren't that many good power forwards. It's all point guards.

 

[Mediocre Man]

OMG no! Seriously, Layman didn't even play PF in college and now he's going to start at PF in the NBA. The guy has an 8'6" standing reach. I'm 6'4" and have a standing reach of 8'5" and I don't even have long arms.

Thad Young - standing reach = 8'10"
Ersan Ilyasova - Standing reach = 9'1.5"

Not even fucking close.

The guy had ONE lights out shooting night in 8 minutes of garbage time back on November 1, has sucked absolute ass ever since and people act like he's the second coming of Larry Bird.

Well, congratulations you happened to find the ONE player on our roster with a lower PER than Noah Vonleh and Meyers Leonard.

BNM

Hey, just spitballing. No reason to mock and ridicule someone. It was my idea anyway.

Is the goal of the forum to make posters hesitate to post something because it might get them mocked?

It's not like it was some obviously stupid ass question like some posters offer

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hey, just spitballing. No reason to mock and ridicule someone. It was my idea anyway.

Is the goal of the forum to make posters hesitate to post something because it might get them mocked?

It's not like it was some obviously stupid ass question like some posters offer

Yeah, it's not like you've never started a thread for the sole purpose of mocking another poster.

Doesn't matter whose idea it was it's a BAD idea. The guy didn't even play PF in college and has an 8'6" standing reach What about that says power forward?

BNM

 

[Norman Dale]

As we'll probably be in the lottery and most likely keeping that pick, I'm going with a PF that will be in the draft. Lauri Markkanen. A 7 footer who can shoot and do some rebounding. He turns 20 this May, so a little older than most freshmen. Might be a good match with Nurk.