Power Forward of the Future

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
Boob-No-More said:
OMG no! Seriously, Layman didn't even play PF in college and now he's going to start at PF in the NBA. The guy has an 8'6" standing reach. I'm 6'4" and have a standing reach of 8'5" and I don't even have long arms.

BNM
Click to expand...

It was more of a knock on playing Meyers at PF then suggesting Layman was our PF of the future. I said "we might as well" meaning at least he can cover the perimeter where his standing reach is not a factor. And his offensive skill set is better than either Meyers or Aminu's. (Regardless of what his small samples size tells us) And I very specifically said......it would only be against teams who use a stretch 4.
 
Last edited:
Boob-No-More said:
Yeah, it's not like you've never started a thread for the sole purpose of mocking another poster.

Doesn't matter whose idea it was it's a BAD idea. The guy didn't even play PF in college and has an 8'6" standing reach What about that says power forward?

BNM
Click to expand...
Cause that poster posted something hyperbolish that was obviously done to get a reaction as big.

Nothing says PF about that. I never looked at his measurables. That was great insight
 
Norman Dale said:
As we'll probably be in the lottery and most likely keeping that pick, I'm going with a PF that will be in the draft. Lauri Markkanen. A 7 footer who can shoot and do some rebounding. He turns 20 this May, so a little older than most freshmen. Might be a good match with Nurk.
Click to expand...

I thought about him, but he's the only big projected to go in the top 10 picks. He might not be around when we pick. Cuban might snatch him up in hope he'll be the next Dirk.

BNM
 
Vonleh might be the worst offensive player on the team, in spite of the fact that he does possess nice shooting touch. Horrible FT shooter this year too, which implies that he still is having some serious confidence issues out there. That's a lousy attribute when playing in your 3rd season to low expectations.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Nothing says PF about that. I never looked at his measurables. That was great insight
Click to expand...

One poster claimed his pre-draft measurements were similar to Thad Young and Eean Ilyasova. They are not, at least not the most important when for playing the power forward position.

Players rarely move up a position when transitioning from college to the NBA - unless they are drafted as a teenager and have a late growth spurt. Layman doesn't quality. If he wasn't big enough to play PF in college, he certainly isn't big enough to play PF in the NBA.

BNM.
 
You know who would be amazing with Nurk? Porzingis. Of course that's not gonna happen..... unless you trade CJ.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
It was more of a knock on playing Meyers at PF then suggesting Laman was our PF of the future. I said "we might as well" meaning at least he can cover the perimeter where his standing reach is not a factor. And his offensive skill set is better than either Meyers or Aminu's. (Regardless of what his small samples size tells us) And I very specifically said......it would only be against teams who use a stretch 4.
Click to expand...

Well, the title of the thread is Power Forward of the Future, and that's not Jake Layman.

And yes, standing reach is a factor when guarding stretch 4s. With a standing reach of 8'6" other stretch 4s will just be shooting over him like he isn't even there.

BNM
 
Natebishop3 said:
You know who would be amazing with Nurk? Porzingis. Of course that's not gonna happen..... unless you trade CJ.
Click to expand...
Even then not happening. Unless we traded all of our picks this year with him and our first pick in 2019 just to start imo and probably then still not enough.
 
Last edited:
Natebishop3 said:
You know who would be amazing with Nurk? Porzingis. Of course that's not gonna happen..... unless you trade CJ.
Click to expand...

The Knick wouldn't do that. He is the cornerstone of their franchise and the one good draft pick they've made during the Dolan regime. With so many examples of bad decisions they have made, they are not doing to undo the one right thing they've done.

BNM
 
Neither McCollum nor Lillard is worth Porzingas, unfortunately. A big who can both shoot and protect the rim and is still young enough to have even more upside simply isn't going to be traded.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Well, the title of the thread is Power Forward of the Future, and that's not Jake Layman.

And yes, standing reach is a factor when guarding stretch 4s. With a standing reach of 8'6" other stretch 4s will just be shooting over him like he isn't even there.

BNM
Click to expand...

I would disagree. Unless you are guarding Dirk, most other stretch 4's are shooting a set shot. I think Jake can jump 6-12" to make up for his short reach. Hell Napier could cover Meyers on the perimeter.
 
Minstrel said:
Neither McCollum nor Lillard is worth Porzingas, unfortunately. A big who can both shoot and protect the rim and is still young enough to have even more upside simply isn't going to be traded.
Click to expand...

All true. So, is there a Porzingas in this draft? What about Markkanen? He doesn't block shots like Porzingas, but he's 7' tall and a lights out shooter. Where do you think he'll get picked. And chance he will be available when we pick? If not, would you try to move up to get him?

BNM
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I would disagree. Unless you are guarding Dirk, most other stretch 4's are shooting a set shot. I think Jake can jump 6-12" to make up for his short reach. Hell Napier could cover Meyers on the perimeter.
Click to expand...

The problem is, unless the guy you're guarding has a very slow release, you don't always have time to jump. Length matters, even when guard jump shooters.

BNM
 
I know Dirk has been great and all (and Prozingas is well on his way) but I am really leary of drafting a Euro to a be a PF and expecting the guy to both defend and get a lot of rebounds for you. I hate to pigenhole but most Euros are like Bargnani and I would hate to have a type like him as a PF for us. We basically already have that person in Leonard and a lot are clamoring for him to leave.
 
Marvin Williams. Yes, he's going to be on the wrong side of 30 next year but we need a vet on this team. He can shoot the three ball well enough to make other teams have to respect it, he has great "switchability" on defense, and Charlotte is a dumpster fire as of late and will probably willing to make him available for youth and draft picks. And his contract matches up almost perfectly with Meyers.
 
Give Meyers a chance. I want to see two 7-footers on our frontline.
 
Boob-No-More said:
All true. So, is there a Porzingas in this draft? What about Markkanen? He doesn't block shots like Porzingas, but he's 7' tall and a lights out shooter. Where do you think he'll get picked. And chance he will be available when we pick? If not, would you try to move up to get him?
Click to expand...

I like Markkanen a lot. The reason Meyers (and Crabbe for that matter) isn't much of an impact shooter is because he isn't comfortable shooting with a hand in his face and doesn't have the ability to attack close-outs. Markkanen can do both, which makes him a "complete shooter," a term I'm using to mean someone who can not only shoot but has the ancillary skillset to leverage that shooting against live defense. The question is whether he can play enough defense to hold his own. At worst, he's probably a prime Ryan Anderson. The best case is that he has more of a Kevin Love impact on offense and develops the defensive awareness to navigate pick-and-rolls even if he doesn't bring much rim protection. He has the quickness and agility to play in space defensively.

I think he'll go in the 5-10 range, so he might drop to Portland. I wouldn't be averse to Portland using one or both of their other first-rounders to move up a bit to get him, if they like his chances on defense.
 
Boob-No-More said:
The problem is, unless the guy you're guarding has a very slow release, you don't always have time to jump. Length matters, even when guard jump shooters.

BNM
Click to expand...

I agree that it often turns out that way, bigs guarding bigs are slow to close out. But.....when I see wings guarding bigs 24 feet from the basket, they tends to me a lot more effective. Part of the success early stretch 4s had was that their man never went out to guard them because they wanted to stay close to the basket. That has changed. PF's now have to cover a lot of ground. Which is why Leonard is not effective. And I am not sold that Markkanen will be either. (on D)
 
Minstrel said:
I like Markkanen a lot. The reason Meyers (and Crabbe for that matter) isn't much of an impact shooter is because he isn't comfortable shooting with a hand in his face and doesn't have the ability to attack close-outs. Markkanen can do both, which makes him a "complete shooter," a term I'm using to mean someone who can not only shoot but has the ancillary skillset to leverage that shooting against live defense. The question is whether he can play enough defense to hold his own. At worst, he's probably a prime Ryan Anderson. The best case is that he has more of a Kevin Love impact on offense and develops the defensive awareness to navigate pick-and-rolls even if he doesn't bring much rim protection. He has the quickness and agility to play in space defensively.

I think he'll go in the 5-10 range, so he might drop to Portland. I wouldn't be averse to Portland using one or both of their other first-rounders to move up a bit to get him, if they like his chances on defense.
Click to expand...

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I fell pretty much the same way about Markkanen. He can get his shot off against anyone and has a high, quick release. That bodes well for his shooting translating to the NBA.

Since we are so godawful at PF, I would not be opposed to drafting two PFs - one a lights out stretch 4 (like Markkanen) and the other a more traditional brute like Caleb Swanigan. Or, if Markkanen is off the board when we pick, reverse the order and go with a stud defender like Robert Williams with our pick and then a stretch 4 like TJ Leaf with the MEM pick.

BNM
 
The reason for the dearth of PFs is because most tall dudes are being made into Cs and most 6'9 dudes are being made into SFs. Blame Draymond.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Why couldn't he be?
Click to expand...

Because he can't shoot more than 3' from the rim and can't guard PFs who can.

Have you given up on Nurkic already? No way in fuck can him and Drummond play at the same time. They would literally be standing on top of each other. We need a PF that compliments Nurkic, not a center than duplicates him.

BNM
 
yuyuza1 said:
The reason for the dearth of PFs is because most tall dudes are being made into Cs and most 6'9 dudes are being made into SFs. Blame Draymond.
Click to expand...

And in college with teams going small, a lot of 6'9 guys are centers as well. Look at Jordan Bell, he is 6'8" and a very effective center .....for college.
 
tlongII said:
I still say we give Meyers a shot.
Click to expand...

We have given him a shot. Remember when LMA and Lopez left? The center and/or power forward positions were his for the taking. He failed.

Again this season, Aminu out with injury, Plumlee traded, he has had opportunities. He failed again.

And again.

And again.

And again.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top